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IRELANDUNITED said:
Of course we are behind the curve, we have been ran and owned by people that not only don’t understand football but they also don’t care about it, it has been ran by people that only care about the commercial side of it so I agree with you on that point.

However, that looks like it’s going to change, we now have a majority owner who’s sole interest is to make this football club great again, he wants to employ the best people in the right places and he wants to get this club back to the very top of English football, where we belong.

For Dan Ashworth, the opportunity to work for Manchester United would be one that would be simply too good to turn down. If the project is right, which it looks like it will be, he can be part of the group of people that returned Manchester United, the big club in England by a distance, to the top of English football, he’d cement his name in history.


The only reason he would stay at Newcastle United is if he doesn’t have much ambition, 1 league cup every other 50 years or so is enough to satisfy them, that simply won’t do at Old Trafford. We’ve been a mess for years now and have still been far more successful trophy wise than they have, despite all the dirty money they’ve spent.
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If you think that's true then I don't think football's for you, the barcodes are not satisfied with that at all
 

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IRELANDUNITED said:
Of course we are behind the curve, we have been ran and owned by people that not only don’t understand football but they also don’t care about it, it has been ran by people that only care about the commercial side of it so I agree with you on that point.

However, that looks like it’s going to change, we now have a majority owner who’s sole interest is to make this football club great again, he wants to employ the best people in the right places and he wants to get this club back to the very top of English football, where we belong.

For Dan Ashworth, the opportunity to work for Manchester United would be one that would be simply too good to turn down. If the project is right, which it looks like it will be, he can be part of the group of people that returned Manchester United, the big club in England by a distance, to the top of English football, he’d cement his name in history.


The only reason he would stay at Newcastle United is if he doesn’t have much ambition, 1 league cup every other 50 years or so is enough to satisfy them, that simply won’t do at Old Trafford. We’ve been a mess for years now and have still been far more successful trophy wise than they have, despite all the dirty money they’ve spent.
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You can’t be talking about SJR, he’s not the majority owner. He’s an investor owning 25%
 

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Red in STL said:
If you think that's true then I don't think football's for you, the barcodes are not satisfied with that at all
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Exactly, if anyone thinks the Saudi/PIF takeover was to settle for mid table and win the odd trophy they’re mistaken. They’ve only been at Newcastle for just over two years and spent the time putting the structures in place at the club.

They certainly haven’t come to be second best and are busy increasing the revenue streams at the club with the full intention of competing regularly for the PL title and regularly in the CL. Fans of other clubs shouldn’t write them off based on the ‘old’ NUFC.
 

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golden_blunder said:
You can’t be talking about SJR, he’s not the majority owner. He’s an investor owning 25%
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Having said that, Ashworth has got to be thinking about that 25% investor and Ratcliffe's remit --- and considering the rumours about his lack of control in his role at Newcastle.

He will know that it will be a complicated relationship where ''footballing control' comes under Ratcliffe. He'll know that in a football club, the foot bone's connected to the leg bone. The leg bone's connected to the knee bone etc.

Its not so clear cut or demarcation. Its a fake chinese wall. What happens when Commercial wants the football side to do things? (from a simple non-football perspective)
 
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IRELANDUNITED said:
And he has full footballing control, which is exactly the change that we’ve needed. I hope this has cleared things up for you.
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I know the plan. It still doesn’t mean that he’s the majority owner. Glazers are still owners and still have the ability to feck things up
 

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ayushreddevil9 said:
I would argue that they certainly understand football well because Manchester United and football don't go hand in hand.

The only appeal here is commercial. Footballing wise we are behind the curve.
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We are not behind the curve in the context of Newcastle vs United. We finished ahead of them in the League, won a Cup by beating them and made another domestic Cup final last season.

This season we struggling, not because we are a poor team, because our recruitment in the summer didn't plug the weaknesses exposed during last season, our manager is having a mare trying to impose a new philosophy and last season's fatigue has caught up with our key players.

I wouldn't be shocked to see this team back with a roar by just making one or two additions, getting players back and having a new manager. All these are going to be done in the summer and we will be competitive. Even the poor players like McTominay, Sancho and Martial are being replaced cheaply by promoted youth, well Martial will be more difficult to replace. Garnacho, Mainoo, Amad and Hoijlund could come back next season stronger and go from revelations to key players.

The structural changes will take years to bear fruit, granted, but we are not in a bad place if we play our cards right. I wouldn't be surprised to see us leapfrog Spurs, Arsenal and Newcastle to emerge as the third best team next season. We just need to get the decision on the manager right, how ironic would it be if it was the DoF we poached from them that helps us do that?
 

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sglowrider said:
Having said that, Ashworth has got to be thinking about that 25% investor and Ratcliffe's remit --- and considering the rumours about his lack of control in his role at Newcastle.

He will know that it will be a complicated relationship where ''footballing control' comes under Ratcliffe. He'll know that in a football club, the
foot bone's connected to the leg bone. The leg bone's connected to the knee bone etc.

Its not so clear cut or demarcation. Its a fake chinese wall. What happens when Commercial wants the football side to do things? (from a simple non-football perspective)
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Ratcliffe is a 25% investor but the majority owners also granted a spend of circa one billion pounds in the last five years without Ratcliffe. He would have more control, would garner more credit for his success and would be guaranteed enough funds to be competitive. That's a big attraction.
 

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From reading what linked journalists to him say, and the recent tweet about him wanting more control, is a good indicator of what SJR has regarding control at the club should Ashworth arrive. I doubt he’d come if he thought the club was been run as it previously was.
I’m hoping this comes through because I’m in the group that considered Ashworth one of the best in the uk and working alongside Blanc could be a really successful team. Certainly more qualified and recent success than anything we’ve had for the last decade or so.
 

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AneRu said:
Ratcliffe is a 25% investor but the majority owners also granted a spend of circa one billion pounds in the last five years without Ratcliffe. He would have more control, would garner more credit for his success and would be guaranteed enough funds to be competitive. That's a big attraction.
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And you know this, how?
 

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VP89 said:
United under poor owners have always had enough funds to be competitive. Why would that not be a going concern under INEOS investment on top?
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Thanks for saving me the effort
 

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This would be incredible, just to see the meltdown from the piss annoying geordies.
 

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Apparently Fabrizio Romano said today that United are trying to get Dan Ashworth in. Presumably to be the new Sporting Director

Not sure how reliable he is when it comes to these things. I know he started getting a few things right again in the summer

Would like to hear Orny's view on the Sporting Director position and Murtough
 

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LawCharltonBest said:
Apparently Fabrizio Romano said today that United are trying to get Dan Ashworth in. Presumably to be the new Sporting Director

Not sure how reliable he is when it comes to these things. I know he started getting a few things right again in the summer

Would like to hear Orny's view on the Sporting Director position and Murtough
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I'm not saying Romano is wrong, but he didn't know about Berrada and neither did anyone else really...who from Ineos would be feeding him info about Ashworth?

I think this topic will stay silent for a few weeks and then Ornstein will drop his exclusive on a random day, be it Ashworth or someone unexpected who gets the gig in the end.
 

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Rojofiam said:
I'm not saying Romano is wrong, but he didn't know about Berrada and neither did anyone else really...who from Ineos would be feeding him info about Ashworth?

I think this topic will stay silent for a few weeks and then Ornstein will drop his exclusive on a random day, be it Ashworth or someone unexpected who gets the gig in the end.
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United wanting Dan Ashworth has already been reported by the Athletic anyway.
 

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Rojofiam said:
I'm not saying Romano is wrong, but he didn't know about Berrada and neither did anyone else really...who from Ineos would be feeding him info about Ashworth?

I think this topic will stay silent for a few weeks and then Ornstein will drop his exclusive on a random day, be it Ashworth or someone unexpected who gets the gig in the end.
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I think the leak regarding Berrada was from City rather than Ineos as the first mention was they were disappointed but calm, or something along those lines. I would expect the first leak to come from Newcastle as the follow a similar damage control.
 

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Within the article it says he hasn't committed to staying publicly or privately and Newcastle will be looking for reassurances over the next few days.
 

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This would be such a dream appointment. I can't really see him leaving so soon though.
 

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JB08 said:
This would be such a dream appointment. I can't really see him leaving so soon though.
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Why not? It's United calling, and a "restructured" one that wants to get club back on the track.
 

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I'd be pretty happy with this. Ashworth has a good reputation within the game and would indicate we're more serious about rebuilding properly this time.
 

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What players did he bring in during his time at Brighton and Newcastle?
 

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Mitoma
Trossard
Caceido
Cucurella
Lamptey
Isak
Gordon
Livramento
Botman
Pope
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Thanks, that’s quite an impressive list, albeit just his AAA signings, he’s brought in a lot more. Looking it up, he’s also sold a lot as well, he was tasked with trimming Brighton’s squad down before they could spend, the squad was 41 players before he came in, he trimmed it down to 33.
 

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Excellent DoF but I think be he will do great here but we shouldn't only think of him as the only choice there are other excellent DoFs out there
 

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OmarUnited4ever said:
Excellent DoF but I think be he will do great here but we shouldn't only think of him as the only choice there are other excellent DoFs out there
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That is very true but you get the distinct impression he's definitely INEOS top target
 
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