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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
If Bellingham did say it, it's a pretty big indication to what players are saying about him. It's not like he even said it to his face, it was just a statement. He'll be close to a load of England and United players, so I'd assume the chances of our squad wanting him back are slim to none at best.
Bellingham has gone up in my estimation.
Why is it wrong?
When you withdraw as a witness you have to provide a statement of withdrawal of support for prosecution. A statement of withdrawal contains extensive information (https://www.college.police.uk/app/prosecution-and-case-management/victim-and-witness-care). The content within that statement is then passed to the reviewing prosecutor who applies evidential and public interest tests to it. The statements of withdrawal can then be used as evidence in current or future court proceedings.
So every witness withdrawl does contain new information and the material can always be used as evidence.
This isn't about whether or not the extended audio is the new material, I accept there's a possibility it's something unknown to us.
Given.the above, the CPS statement and the fact the alleged victim is suggested to have began the witness withdrawal process in April 2022. There is enough there for most people to have reasonable doubt that the "new material" between October 2022 and Feb 2023 is unlikely to be related to the alleged victims statement.
It's maybe not clear in my wording but it's why I said "alongside saying". I don't believe he listened to it.
No offence intended, but you’re clearly utterly clueless on this matter.
I can assure you that the recanting of a statement doesn’t qualify as ‘new material coming to light’ - the CPS have even gone so far as to separate the two points in the statement for you.
I don’t want to get into the endless, fruitless back and forths that this thread is now synonymous with, but just had to point this out.
‘New material coming to light’ will absolutely not be the recanting of a statement.
It’s also very unlikely that it’s even referring to a new statement as that would, in most cases, be described as ‘additional statements / information’.
‘New material’, in a case that has clearly been entirely built around an audio snippet will almost certainly be linked to that initial material in some way, and given that we know that the audio the public heard is a snippet of a longer recording, coupled with the fact that Utd have alluded to the snippet ‘not painting the full picture’, it’s pretty clear that the ‘new material’ is either the rest of the audio or an additional piece of audio material that either changes the context completely, or (more likely imo) shows that Greenwood was talking in a rude, repulsive manner, but didn’t do anything beyond that talking.
The latter would also explain Greenwood / Utd’s lack of an explanation.
Quality control
I find human beings to be hypocritical and unforgiving. We speak about giving convicts another chance in the society but cant allow a teenager another chance to earn a decent living.
Alonso killed a man while drunk-driving but was able to erk a decent career, why not give Greenwood another chance at life you holier than thou ''decent human beings''
All I see in this is a classical case of ''schadenfreude''
This is not saying I condone what he might have done, tragedy happens and he no longer plays for his boyhood club and in all likelihood will never hit the projected heights again, the alleged victim withdrew the case, they have a family now and surely she would want the best for him.
Taking a man livelihood is akin to killing him.
Alonso killed a man while drunk-driving but was able to erk a decent career, why not give Greenwood another chance at life you holier than thou ''decent human beings''
All I see in this is a classical case of ''schadenfreude''
This is not saying I condone what he might have done, tragedy happens and he no longer plays for his boyhood club and in all likelihood will never hit the projected heights again, the alleged victim withdrew the case, they have a family now and surely she would want the best for him.
Taking a man livelihood is akin to killing him.
Quality control
Bellingham, what a cnut! And shame on all those that praise him for saying that. By all means dont shake his hands, ignore him and all that but resulting to names/comments is not sportsmanship.
This bolded part for me is the reason why I would give him second chance- if his alleged victim can give him second chance why shouldn't the rest of people?
He most definitely did something wrong, but I doubt we'll ever know to what extent, and that's something he has to live with for the rest of his life.
But, since his wife gave him second chance, decided to even start a family with him, surely there's something positive within him for her to think and act like that.
Same people who act like Greenwood is first ever player to play for club forget about Cristiano forcing woman to have sex with him even after she told him no and asked him to stop multiple times. Double standards and what not when it comes to golden star and upcoming promising player.
It isn't disputed that the recording is real. Therefore he is a despicable cnut who I want nowhere near the club.
No need for a mega wall of text to know he is a despicable twat.
He'd get far worse in many sports. Quite deservedly so.
How would the latter explain the lack of an explanation?
What you believe should frankly be irrelevant as the simple facts are that we don’t know the full story. That’s the whole point.
How can you be so certain of his guilt when it’s clear there’s many plausible explanations/alternatives as to why all charges have been dropped and he’s allowed to continue playing football?
Just accept that the people best positioned to make the decision are far more informed then you or I and if the club do decide to bring him back then we should all fully back and support him, the same as we do with every other player.
However from reading some of the comments, I can see that many people have so much hate towards him and have already made up their minds that he’s a rapist/wife beater/scumbag so I think why bother going back and forth with someone with this mindset who’s so judgmental to accept any alternative explanation.
He is currently earning 75k/week at a top flight club in spain.
It really isn't. No one wished or predicted this situation, and no one is happy about it.
He will earn more this year than most will earn in a lifetime. He will always have lucrative employment, given how things worked out for him in the end.
Another chance at a decent living? Give him another chance at life?....my god just when you think you've read the most drivel possible in this thread someone comes along and tops it
Just over a third of your posts are in this thread.
Players aren't even allowed to call each other rapists anymore? Game's gone.
Not sure why I’m wasting one of my 3 replies on this inane comment but are you trying to imply something?
I’m a newbie so am limited to what I can comment on.
Does that mean what I’ve said In this thread isn’t valid? Or are you just another angry poster who wants to shut down anyone who does brainlessly goes along with your judgemental views?
Bellingham just stating facts. What’s the biggie. 
This is precisely the problem. That people don't know what they're giving him a second chance for.
Greenwood has traded privacy for full exculpation in the eyes of the public. That is a reasonable choice, but it comes with consequences.
As a comparison, someone like Benjamin Mendy gave up privacy and spilled out every detail of his over-the-top sex life, in order to defend himself to the public.
I'm not angry and you can post where you like. It just seems you expend a lot of your posts in this thread for someone who thinks it's a waste of time debating with most posters in here.
Always best to focus on what we agree on because it doesn't happen often !
It is now official that Getafe asked La Liga to investigate https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68186145
people would think they would want to avoid all the sideshow but as a small club who no one really cared much about, I think they are actually reveling in all the attention.
No such thing as bad publicity as they say.
Just because you say the part in bold, doesn't make it true. I would argue Occam's razor here - the most likely solution is the most obvious: that he's a vile, violent, entitled shithead who's possibly even an attempted rapist.
It’s to get around the algorithm isn’t it?
He did that himself
How ironic. Incredibly incel thing to say. Hope you’ve ended up explaining yourself out of seemingly calling people who don’t want Greenwood back “snowflakes”.
Firstly plenty of people think Alonso should be in prison and absolutely should never have played football again. He literally killed someone.
No one is saying greenwood can never work again, but should he be living one of the most privileged lives possible earning mad money because the his victim displayed absolute textbook domestic violence behaviour?
This thread being constantly at the top of the board is pretty depressing.
It’s quite sad seeing he lack of forgiveness in the world these days. People make mistakes when they’re young- sometimes terrible ones- but I believe everyone has the potential to change and become better people
He’s just a widdle boy who did some hits and now he’s very sorry
What happened to forgiveness your holiness?
Drama much?
Very sorry or vewy sowy?
Fecking hell, another one
Forgiveness for what? Trying to rape his partner and beating her up?
Some people just get really upset when people get called out for raping someone. It is impossible to know why that is, though.
Could be, although using it in the body text of an article just seems to be a pure editorial decision.. The BBC write up doesn't even disclose what the 'insult' was, oddly.
Jude Bellingham: La Liga investigating alleged insult made towards Mason Greenwood
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68186145
Allegedly attempting to rape someone to be pedantic.