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Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Don't really see how it's a punishable offence for Bellingham. Seems odd to bother complaining as well, it just draws more attention to what happened instead of it being forgotten after a day or two.
If one little comment like that upsets him so much then there's definitely no point in coming back to England where he'll have whole stadiums chanting it and people calling him it whenever he's out in public.
If one little comment like that upsets him so much then there's definitely no point in coming back to England where he'll have whole stadiums chanting it and people calling him it whenever he's out in public.
Yeah a bit silly from Getafe.
Very well put.
I would imagine his legal team went into overdrive too. The clip was copywrite struck extremely quick.
Yeah I agree, and that preciesly why I'm going with his wife judgement since she's only one, who alongside Greenwood, knows what really happened between the two of them.
In any other scenario I would be against him ever playing football let alone him coming back to United, but since she gave him second chance, decided to have kid with him, who am I to play houlier than thou act and still see him as scumbag when even his alleged victim doesn't see him in that light.
Next time read the thread properly before making yourself look silly
Victons of DV on average attempt to leave their abusers 7 times before finally making a clean break. That she returned to him does not exonerate him at all as has been explained repeatedly in this thread. The only thing it proves is that he had contact with her and actually made her pregnant during the period when there was a restraining order forbidding him from seeing her so it only proves that he once again broke the law.
I think this is something many continue to struggle with as the couple have clearly made a decision to move on.
I don't think anyone wants to hang him. They just don't want a player with his moral baggage at United.
Yep not wanting a player to play for your club = hanging him.
Good.
Everything I've heard is that he played well against Madrid so I'm surprised there's not been a vs video. My guess would be that the usual people who make them are United fans and, since our game clashed with Getafe's, they just didn't get round to watching it. I guess I'll find the game and watch it at some point during the week.
I’d recommend making your points clearer.
Forgive what mate?
I think it's bad enough that dozens of plain users are using this deeply flawed (at best) argument, but to see a member of staff using it too... I don't know... maybe please just educate yourself on the subject and stop posting this tripe.
I’m aware of the stats, but that doesn’t give license to rob an individual of their agency to make their own choices. If you can’t deal with the fact that people may have different opinions on the matter then that’s on you.
Yet in the audio we do have she's telling him to 'stop putting his dick there'...
That's not the point though, and I think you know that. She can do whatever she wants, I can't possibly know if she's genuinely "forgiven" him, I don't even know what's there to "forgive". It's using that argument to imply that it makes the violence/abuse less likely to have happened. This has been argued in this thread dozens of times. And a member of staff making that same argument is not a nice read to be fair.
This will go back and forth for ever unless its finally closed.
Now all this is, is the moral high ground vrs the moral low ground bickering with each other time and time again.
Everything that was needed and not needed to be said has been said numerous times.
Just close it down.
Now all this is, is the moral high ground vrs the moral low ground bickering with each other time and time again.
Everything that was needed and not needed to be said has been said numerous times.
Just close it down.
The implication you cite is your interpretation of the overall argument that people can make their own choices. If you can’t deal with views that don’t tidily conform to your personal world view then I recommend you avoid this thread.
Closing threads won’t work because the convo will just move to other threads, often detailing them. We tried having a dedicated player performance thread but that got derailed on a daily basis.
What?
Unlike most other threads, where new arguments and new lines of reasoning are popping up all the time, and where 1 in 3 messages consist in people admitting they were wrong and that other posters made them see the light.
You have tried a few things to be fair. In reality though those continuing to derail the performance thread should have been thread banned and in my opinion the performance thread kept open.
No one is stopping him from doing what he wants, and definitely nobody is calling him to be hanged or even convicted, we just don't want him playing for the club that we support. The support that goes towards paying him insane wages.
I couldn't give a feck where he ends up, whether they get married, none of it, I just don't want that fecking audio with his fecking voice saying what he said associated with my support.
I will say one thing though, the outers often ask the backers about their opinion of his guilt and we're told we're snowflakes and we're judging without any evidence. There's a guy here saying that we want him hanged. Nope, we just want him to feck off, so stop the hyperbole.
Compare this to the Arnoutovic thing. The fans and supporters didn't want a racist playing for our club, got vocal about it and the deal was stopped, why is this different? Are racists worse than sexual abusers?
Well if this isn’t incredibly reductive and overdramatic.
Quite a few of the modmins haven't even posted in this thread.
Busy perfecting their nooses.
That's not really his forte.
Not just the couple either, the whole family.
Stats are important to note, but doesn't mean every case fits and this case has several factors (not least the media attention) that make it far from the norm.
Yeah, I was 100% against that. No way should there be a safe space. It's not a normal loan. The club have exiled him, why shouldn't we? Is there updates of his progress on the official site?
That reminds me of an amazingly laid out local newspaper article I saw earlier.
New events planned to boost tourism in Dorchester
https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/2...1QfB03XP8qCCyDROTTN2MqONZ7eg4hLYWbPgIHYqr6i-g
Sorry to be pedantic.. people keep saying wife, they ain’t married
scumbag is a scumbag, his girlfriend may have made a judgement in error
won’t be the end of this story I suspect
That reminds me of an amazingly laid out local newspaper article I saw earlier.
New events planned to boost tourism in Dorchester
https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/2...1QfB03XP8qCCyDROTTN2MqONZ7eg4hLYWbPgIHYqr6i-g
Someone really enjoyed themselves at work that day.
Thanks for info, thougt they got married in meantime.
She may or may not made judgment in error, because there's lack of information we can't be certain about it and can only speculate.
Because of the kid I really hope they'll make it work and make good family, but you never know how'll things work out.
There's something strange about him, even before all this he gave away Giggsy vibe, dead eyes and lack off emotions, like he's programmed, who know, maybe I'm just imagining it all.
How do you mean safe space? Can’t say I follow. I don’t think anyone interested in the loan and the impact on the club should be made out to be a sympathiser if I’m honest.
I think that some are, understandably, too emotionally invested either way though so can’t accept a view different to their own. It’s quite fascinating to watch though as I think it’s the first time I’ve seen staff so heavily involved and split on a topic.
A 'safe space' to discuss a player the club saw fit to exile doesn't make any individual interested in the thread a sympathiser. It may however appear weird to chat about football with no context, considering what the context is.
It's precisely as a staff member that the optics of such a thread concern me.