We have to buy him a new laptop?
Oh ffs. Where will it enddd.
Cancel the deal.
Oh ffs. Where will it enddd.
Cancel the deal.
Dan Ashworth - Newcastle DoF currently tending to his garden
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Its a standard process
Very embarrassing from Saudi FC.
Yes and it's also exactly what happens when anyone leaves a job. People are desperate for clicks.
To be in the boardroom when they realise despite gardening leave, they're actually paying Ashworth his full salary to work for Manchester United.
I'm not talking about his laptop being block, I agree that is a standard process but reporting on it and putting it in capitals.
Would be a decent surprise!
My mate Iqbal can get into any laptop
Someone best take his PS5 too, that has Footy Manager!
Childlike? It almost always happens when someone is put in6 gardening leave. It happened to me and I work in insurance!
Blocking is not child-like, reporting those dumb stuff is.
Yes I'm aware, I have been on gardening leave myself and put people on gardening leave, I'm talking about the one-upmanship of journalism for something that is a standard practice.
This all seems really small time from Newcastle
As he said, it is the reporting in CAPITALS that is a bit confusing. Like he is useless without his old laptop.
That's standard practice as well to be fair! Gotta bait those clicks.
True true.
Oh ha, yes that's sensationalism at its finest.
I want that laptop more than anything now. What would they want for that? Antony enough?
Actually what is childish is youtubers and twitter accounts talking about how we should recruit him because he has huge database of analysis and that database would be priceless for us
That database, which probably does exist, is intellectual property of Newcastle! It was created, by Ashworth and his team, while employed by Newcastle. In no scenario can he take that with him or use it. Anybody who has been employed anywhere where any intellectual property is generated knows it
We are not getting any database with Ashworth, whether Newcastle blocks his access or not. And blocking his access would also be fairly normal and standard under circumstances
Let's also throw-in Donny and maybe even Sancho, to sweeten the deal?Have they deleted all him champ manager saves too?
How will get the wonderkids now?
How will get the wonderkids now?
A twenty month garden leave just doesn’t sound enforceable at all to me. Garden leave cannot exceed your notice period. Negotiations will happen over the next few months and we’ll get this done.
Not really. Being placed on garden leave is very much that — you’re in the “garden” and all access to work and confidential information is basically taken away from you.
In exchange, you carry on getting paid to sit there.
Two parties agree a contract of a certain length. If either party terminates that contract early, they are liable to pay compensation to the other party for their loss of earnings and/or use of their service for the contracted period. By placing Ashworth on gardening leave, they are saying his job is now untenable due to his demand to leave. Newcastle United absolutely can keep him on gardening leave for the remainder of his contract. He’s under contract. He wants to break that contract. Newcastle want to be compensated for him breaking that contract, in the same way he’d want to be compensated if Newcastle replaced him.
What will happen is the lawyers will thrash this out in the coming months and a settlement figure will be reached.
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This’ll get done at 10m surely with some gardening leave still in place (maybe 6 months to get Newcastle through the summer).
Also I asked earlier in the thread but is it possible that Ineos hire Ashworth so the fee comes from their coffers and not Utd?
Also I asked earlier in the thread but is it possible that Ineos hire Ashworth so the fee comes from their coffers and not Utd?
I'm more talking about the journalist rather than than Newcastle. I think this has all come from Henry Winter saying about the database on his laptop, if he hadn't have said that then it wouldn't have been mentioned.Actually what is childish is youtubers and twitter accounts talking about how we should recruit him because he has huge database of analysis and that database would be priceless for us
That database, which probably does exist, is intellectual property of Newcastle! It was created, by Ashworth and his team, while employed by Newcastle. In no scenario can he take that with him or use it. Anybody who has been employed anywhere where any intellectual property is generated knows it
We are not getting any database with Ashworth, whether Newcastle blocks his access or not. And blocking his access would also be fairly normal and standard under circumstances
Every club will have a massive database and scout reports and it more about the choices and strategy. We have one but continually make poor choices or haven't created an environment for them to succeed.
I can understand Newcastle being worried about us nicking all their summer targets, but putting him on gardening leave will hardly stop him from saying who they're going for.
Like others have said this feels like a really easy thing for the club to circumvent. Don't pay them 20m. Offer them 10 as a gesture of good will and call it a day.
Like others have said this feels like a really easy thing for the club to circumvent. Don't pay them 20m. Offer them 10 as a gesture of good will and call it a day.
Gardening leave is very common in all the walks I've life I've had the joy of living, however I am curious if it's like that in back office football positions. This quite 'new' at least in two ways:
1. The sheer scale of the 'demand'
2. That NUFC are clearly leaking all they can to anyone will listen
I particularly loved the ones last week of how Eddie is really worried about him using his knowledge to help United. Literally what he's being paid for, and why you paid for him from Brighton.
Feels to me like someone at NUFC just really hates us. Which is fair given the fates of the two clubs. I still have to laugh at the Longstaff price. Magic.
To be honest it feels like something Eddie would rather talk about than his league position.
1. The sheer scale of the 'demand'
2. That NUFC are clearly leaking all they can to anyone will listen
I particularly loved the ones last week of how Eddie is really worried about him using his knowledge to help United. Literally what he's being paid for, and why you paid for him from Brighton.
Feels to me like someone at NUFC just really hates us. Which is fair given the fates of the two clubs. I still have to laugh at the Longstaff price. Magic.
To be honest it feels like something Eddie would rather talk about than his league position.
Sounds fair. In my line of business, there is a six-month notice period for resignation, allowing the current employer ample time to find a replacement. However, nothing is preventing me from resigning. This seems like some sort of deal negotiated when Dan signed. I mean, what's preventing him from discussing stuff with United, even while on gardening leave? He could simply talk to them. It all sounds bizarre.
Is blocking an employee from moving job even legal? Obviously football is different but I couldn't imagine an employer in a solicitor office or accountants office being allowed to stop and employee leaving
I understand people not wanting United to just pay the Keegan cnuts what they want
But United could have had numerous Sporting Directors. There are very good ones currently without a club who'd sign today and start tomorrow.
They've specifically gone for Ashworth despite the difficulties because they believe he is the one who will help make Manchester United title challengers again. They knew going in how difficult it would be and if they believe he is that valuable then I personally accept them forking out £20m from the summers transfer kitty to make it happen. Beats constantly paying millions for the Glazers to buy their dogs prams.
But United could have had numerous Sporting Directors. There are very good ones currently without a club who'd sign today and start tomorrow.
They've specifically gone for Ashworth despite the difficulties because they believe he is the one who will help make Manchester United title challengers again. They knew going in how difficult it would be and if they believe he is that valuable then I personally accept them forking out £20m from the summers transfer kitty to make it happen. Beats constantly paying millions for the Glazers to buy their dogs prams.
I guess it's like an NDA. In reality you can't really govern it to a certain degree.
This will get sorted before the summer. It's not in Newcastle's interests to gain a reputation for making it hard for senior employees to leave. It'll make it harder for them to attract that caliber of employee moving forward.
We make his job twice as difficult if we cave into the demands of the first club we negotiate with in the INEOS era.
He's not prevented from resigning, he's just prevented from taking up work with a competitor until a certain amount of time has passed. He can obviously discuss stuff with United, but he might be in legal trouble if someone can prove what he discussed with United could be classified as "work". Although I know nothing of what that might mean within the UK legal system.
All of the noise is for show. They might be annoyed with Ashworth, they did the same when they brought him from Brighton so I don’t see why they should be, but they will let him go for £8-12M. They gain nothing from having him on garden leave and not working for them - might as well get a decent fee to help with FFP.
It's called a non-compete clause. It's usually to do with trade secrets etc. Although people like Elon Musk has it in the contracts of car mechanics, which I suspect wouldn't be legal if tried in a court.