This depends on what the regeneration looks like.
I doubt it's gonna be with the working class people of Salford and Manchester in mind.
New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford
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I doubt it's gonna be with the working class people of Salford and Manchester in mind.
We've been at Old Trafford for 114 years, so the entirety of every United fans lives. I don't imagine fans back then had the same attachment to North Road after the club playing there for 7 years or Bank Street after 16 years.That's what I've been thinking when seeing some of the whingeing about daring to contemplate touching where they've been going for numerous years. It's not as if we've only ever played in Old Trafford in that stadium. It's location and ground number three we have been able to enjoy. If folk can't handle moving a few metres, or should that be yards, over from the existing ground then I'd hate to think the reaction to leaving the ground where the historical trophy count started and they had to traipse miles from one side of the city to the other at a time when transport wasn't exactly at today's standards.
Also seeing Trigger's Broom/Ship of Theseus mentions reminds me of the old Lone Ranger Theme/William Tell Overture situation where whichever you referenced spoke volumes.
Correct. Like the regeneration near City, loads of luxury empty flats - woohoo!!
New Old Trafford
Really appreciate this which is very interesting.
Thank you for this and that was pretty much what I thought.
All of this suggests that it isn't going to happen in the short term.
Yep. Just what Greater Manchester needs...
Redevelopment and regeneration means very different things to different people. A lot of people will want to get involved in these discussions and see them as an opportunity to make loads more money. Gary Neville is very much getting involved, for example, as a concerned business owner rather than as a concerned citizen.
On the wider point of thread, I wouldn't be opposed to a new build if:
1) At least part of it is built with fan culture/atmosphere in mind
2) There's a commitment to keeping a reasonable number of tickets at an affordable price. (At the very least, keeping them at their current level.)
3) People who have sat together for years have the opportunity to purchase Season Tickets together.
4. Some of the current ground is preserved to be used as a stadium for the academy/women's team.
5. The new ground isn't used as an excuse for lack of investment in the playing squad or increasing ticket prices. It basically took Arsenal 15 years from first moving to the Emirates to start challenging again and they've had some of the most expensive prices for most of that time.
I think this is correct.
Having listened to that interview, my prediction is a bit of investment in the current ground to fix ongoing issues then a long term plan to build something new.
That’s worse!
Traffy McTrafford.
Let the people decide! (Terrible idea)
Let the people decide! (Terrible idea)
I think all of those would be feasible apart from number 4. It's a nice thought, but the money involved in reducing the stadium to a reasonable capacity would cost significantly more than just building a new 20,000 seater stadium. I'd like some smart architects and executives to figure out a way of preserving at least some of it as a historic and cultural landmark that can earn the club money though.
Do you even have a clue what you're talking about?
The majority of development round City's ground has been sporting, and more recently a new arena. There has also been significant investment in transport with the Metrolink being extended that way.
The flats in New Islington are fairly normal by city centre standards, low rise and not like the skyscrapers being built in Greengate and Deansgate. They're not empty either, take a visit to the area one day and see for yourself.
That's one way of putting it. Walked through the area a million times.
You know what we are wary of anyway.
I think a new stadium would be incredible as long as it abided by certain principles. None of this bed-pan shit that's currently in fashion. Something to stand the test of time and have fans at the heart of it. I like the idea of it having a kind of industrial/timeless look whilst still being modern.
That being said, my opinion means feck all because I do not go to games regularly so they should listen to and give more weight to the thoughts of match-going fans over anyone else.
That being said, my opinion means feck all because I do not go to games regularly so they should listen to and give more weight to the thoughts of match-going fans over anyone else.
It won't be industrial because Salford Quays and Media City aren''t and this area will be an extension of that. I suspect we'll get a new Spurs type stadium on steroids. Great ground but looks naff from the outside. Hopefully our exterior will look better. Can't wait to see the area regenerated, it's just full of warehouses at the moment.
But where would the warehouses go? Won't somebody think of the warehouses?
But yeah, we all want something unique but not stupid.
Flattened. They're also flattening Strangeways and developing scrapers around Red Bank which has always been derelict. There's also a plan to have the second tallest building in the UK next to the Beethams. It's starting to look great....problem is a lot of these skyscrapers have been bought by investors in Hong Kong. And it's all tad corrupt.
Apart from developing the stadium, it's never easy to get away from that lifeless/dead feeling you get around a stadium when it's not a match day.
Hopefully they can come up with something a bit different and not just whack a load of new flats around the stadium and open another Next/Primark outlet to fill in a few holes.
Something different architecturally would be great, but equally I feel we might be asking for a bit too much.
Hopefully they can come up with something a bit different and not just whack a load of new flats around the stadium and open another Next/Primark outlet to fill in a few holes.
Something different architecturally would be great, but equally I feel we might be asking for a bit too much.
You need to be carefully with residents. Yes involve them in the process and listen to them, but firmly let them know their input is limited from the start.
The stadium has been there for 114 years. It was there before any one of them moved in. Progress should never be stifled by NIMBYs.
Take it from those who know what it’s like to give too much power to people living beside Lansdowne Road and ended up with a national stadium that looks like a half finished piss pot bedpan.
100%. Narcissistic NIMBYS ruin planning applications over and over again. Some pathetic people will forgo huge benefit to a local community if something as little as a partial view from their bedroom window is impacted.
NOT. How appropriate.
It's still Old Trafford.
Fair point.
Although, in the event that we have a bigger ground of say 90,000, I think residents have the right to question the impact that the extra 15,000 people travelling to the match will have on local infrastructure.
This is worth a read. https://www.theguardian.com/comment...english-city-sold-abu-dhabis-elite-manchester
Number 2, Old Trafford
Read it a while back, that was the article I had in mind.
Yeah I totally agree with that. The most legitimate concerns of residents will be transport and infrastructure related.
I just don’t think they should have any say when it comes to ultimate size (providing those concerns are attended to) and design.
If a new stadium is built, you can 99% be certain that it will be sponsored.
Snapdragon Arena
Ineos Stadium
Casillero del Diablo (Devil’s Locker) could be on to something with this one
Coequally it’ll be forever known as Old Trafford and that won’t change.
Snapdragon Arena
Ineos Stadium
Casillero del Diablo (Devil’s Locker) could be on to something with this one
Coequally it’ll be forever known as Old Trafford and that won’t change.
Had a look at the map. The car park is in Old Trafford but beyond it's Traffird Park. The whole of Trafford Wharf is in Old Trafford. Will be interesting how they do it.
Suppose we could temporarily extend the cricket ground. It's 30k.
If a new stadium is built, you can 99% be certain that it will be sponsored.
Snapdragon Arena
Ineos Stadium
Casillero del Diablo (Devil’s Locker) could be on to something with this one
Coequally it’ll be forever known as Old Trafford and that won’t change.
You could just call the new stadium 'The Theatre of Dreams' since he wants it to be the national stadium of the north. If its best in class its a fitting name and it links it to Old Trafford.
They've completely butchered that ground, one of the worst in the country now.
Makes loads of commercial revenue though!
Please no!
Yeah it's bloody awful. The new Red Rose end is the worst of the lot. The pavilion looks like the entrance to the Arndale. And I've no idea why they've used so much red. Unless they're not arsed about the red ball game eh.
Why is there such an uproar about Sir Jim wanting the tax payer to contribute towards the stadium? No one complained about Spurs using taxpayers money to fund part of their new stadium.
If they build a new stadium it wont just host Man Utd home games it will be able host other events such as other Football matches, NFL, Boxing, Wrestling, Rugby League, Rugby Union, Music Concerts and much more with people attending from all over the North of England and beyond which would be good for the local businesses in the area.
If they build a new stadium it wont just host Man Utd home games it will be able host other events such as other Football matches, NFL, Boxing, Wrestling, Rugby League, Rugby Union, Music Concerts and much more with people attending from all over the North of England and beyond which would be good for the local businesses in the area.
I’m not against a new stadium, I’d just personally like to see a ground that isn’t a generic glass bowl design and can hold 100k.
I say revamp Old Trafford. It's such an iconic place.
Call me old school, but I like a bit of tradition and new doesn't always mean better.
New Wembley is rather disappointing in terms of atmosphere (when compared to the old ground).
Giants Stadium was miles better than Metlife etc.
Call me old school, but I like a bit of tradition and new doesn't always mean better.
New Wembley is rather disappointing in terms of atmosphere (when compared to the old ground).
Giants Stadium was miles better than Metlife etc.
Funnily enough it's all fairly new, just shows how easy it is to get things wrong, it's generally worse than Old Trafford.
Build a new stadium to modernize the facility but do what is necessary to replicate some of the charm taht Old Trafford brings along with it's historical pieces such as the Munich tunnel
The idea of building a new one in a slightly different location and then converting Old Trafford into a smaller stadium for the women's team and youth sides seems to make the most sense, though whether that's realistic affordability-wise I'm not sure.