Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids

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RuudTom83 said:
Those for getting rid...must also want a new face coming in.

I'd suggest getting rid of Martial, Sancho and Antony and bringing in a new face would be the better option.

There is a limit on how many fires Sir Jim can put out in the summer. Rashford genuinely is not that big of an issue, he's had a poor season (like everyone else) but he has shown signs of combining with Hojlund and in the last 2 months the forwards have been alright if not pretty decent.
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Realistically, I think there is a only a small chance of Rashford being sold this summer and that's mainly due to PSG having an opening with Mbappe's departure. I can't see any other teams interested who could afford him and I suspect his value will start to plummet over the next few seasons. If PSG come with a decent offer, then we should use the funds to bring in 2-3 lesser-known players (Brighton-style). I'd be willing to take the risk based on Rashford's output.

Martial should be released on a free, but he's been missing most of the season, so we've managed without him for this long already. Sancho should be gone, probably on loan, unless EtH is sacked. Antony I can't see going anywhere.
 

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Martial, is away on a Free come the summer. Sancho likely Sold too. If the Right offer comes in for Rashford I would sell too no problem. He is absolutely not irreplaceable Some top winding up on here. Rashford would prob benefit from a move anyway. We need a team that all play for each other and put a shift in. He a very unlikeable player now if he was ever otherwise i cannot remember it. As for bad PR for selling and then doing elsewhere thats right out of the Woodward book of contract extension giving. It will actually help the club in the longer term for selling players if when we sell that players provide value for money to the buying club. If every player a bust who would buy from us. Not that we have been any good at selling players since Sir Alex left anyway.
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But there's a very likely scenario where Rashford is having a great season next year at another club and we are struggling to score goals with a new front line that needs bedding in. Suddenly, Rashford becomes a stick to beat the club with (the media doesn't need much excuse) casting doubts over the whole management structure during their first year.

He's contracted to 2028. The value we lose in selling him this summer to next summer is largely irrelevant.

Factor in we already need at least on forward, we sell Rashford and we need to bed in two regular starting forwards next year.

I'm all for selling, I just think it needs to be timed right. Of course, if PSG come in with a silly offer in the region of £100m, I'd snap their hands off. But I can't see that happening.
 

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To be fair, I remember Berbatov used to always do that in the pre match warm up. All of our forwards and midfielders would do shooting practice, whilst Berbatov stood around doing kick ups by himself. I wouldn't read too much into it personally in terms of friendships with his peers. Although I do agree that his overall body language isn't what it used to be - perhaps he may have fallen out of love with football.

Pretty sure he played with a broken back in 2020-21 and in that period he had two 20+ goal seasons which got us back to back top 4 finishes.
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yes it was Ole kept playing him with a back fracture. By the time the fallout came with Rangnick, he did say at that point there are no injury issues with him
 

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People aren’t getting it. It’s not the poor form that’s an issue. It’s not even the fact that he’s inconsistent. It’s the fact that he’s a lazy, sulky git.
 

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RuudTom83 said:
Those for getting rid...must also want a new face coming in.

I'd suggest getting rid of Martial, Sancho and Antony and bringing in a new face would be the better option.

There is a limit on how many fires Sir Jim can put out in the summer. Rashford genuinely is not that big of an issue, he's had a poor season (like everyone else) but he has shown signs of combining with Hojlund and in the last 2 months the forwards have been alright if not pretty decent.
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This./

Selling Rashford before you sell Antony would be scandalous behaviour.
 

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People aren’t getting it. It’s not the poor form that’s an issue. It’s not even the fact that he’s inconsistent. It’s the fact that he’s a lazy, sulky git.
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I think his weak mentality and his inconsistency are very tightly connected. But I agree, he hasn't got the mindset I want to see from our players, neither did Jadon Sancho. We need to stay clear of these players from now on.
 

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AFC NimbleThumb said:
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Selling Rashford before you sell Antony would be scandalous behaviour.
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I dont think sales of either player need to be linked in sequence.

Rashford has the ability to be genuinely world class but I think he needs a change and to leave United for his own sake - to get himself reinvigorated.

Antony on the other hand is fecking shite and there wont be a queue of clubs with chequebooks out for him!
 

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Whoever strikes the deal that sells Antony needs a statue erected in their honour.
 

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McGrathsipan said:
I dont think sales of either player need to be linked in sequence.

Rashford has the ability to be genuinely world class but I think he needs a change and to leave United for his own sake - to get himself reinvigorated.

Antony on the other hand is fecking shite and there wont be a queue of clubs with chequebooks out for him!
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I genuinely think Rashford needs a change of scenery. There's a good player there but I think for his benefit he needs a new challenge.
 

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I genuinely think Rashford needs a change of scenery. There's a good player there but I think for his benefit he needs a new challenge.
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I think so as well. I think he will thrive at a club that consistently challenges for trophies. I think he thinks his time at United is a bit stale with more downs than ups. If we can sell him for good money my dream replacement would be Mitoma. Good age, already accustomed to the pace and intensity of the PL, good first touch, good dribbles.
 

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Vidyoyo said:
Sadly, nobody is buying Antony nor paying close to his wages. It's the Martial issue all over again. Rashy has value because despite our contempt he isn't a terrible baller, just an arsey one.
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Yup, I would sell Rashford because he's become completely stale here barring a good 4-month run last season. We need funds to build a new team and Rashford is a saleable asset.

Antony is going to be an absolute nightmare to shift. He cost a fortune, is on massive wages and has legal issues. His stock is extremely low. I imagine it'll be a loan at best to shift him temporarily.
 

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More or less constantly since his debut (with the exception of 21/22)
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WTF?

Last season is the only time an argument could be had that he 'carried' us to some extent.

Just as a direct comparison, Martial was better most of the time up until 20/21. Even that season Rashford didn't play very well at all, but he just managed to get a decent amount of goals and assists despite his general form. Then he was atrocious in 21/22. Last season, yeah, he largely carried our attack. Then this season he's been poor again.

The only time's he's been very very good was about three months in 19/20 and a similar amount of time last season.
 

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The news that we aren't going to be AS effected by FFP is a blessing and a curse, obviously good news that recruitment won't be as heavily impacted, but I think that adversity would have forced us into some difficult choices. Assets who probably don't get us to where we want to be like McTominay and Rashford who are also pure FFP profit for us could be on the block.

Based purely on FFP, I would have those two, Martial, Lindelof and Case as my top 5 sales. I wouldn't cry if we also lost Bruno, I like him as a person but I don't think we go anywhere meaningful with him as a creative hub.

A Sancho sale probably lands us in the red from an FFP perspective, AWB, Maguire and Antony also, hurts to keep them but for the sake of the wider recruitment effort there is an argument to keep them before the others.
 

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McGrathsipan said:
I dont think sales of either player need to be linked in sequence.

Rashford has the ability to be genuinely world class but I think he needs a change and to leave United for his own sake - to get himself reinvigorated.

Antony on the other hand is fecking shite and there wont be a queue of clubs with chequebooks out for him!
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The reason they are linked is that currently Antony can’t even get minutes in close outs.

There isn’t a world in which Antony recoups his fee or anywhere near it so we’re better off taking that pill sooner rather than prolonging it as we have done with Van de Beek etc.

Rashford is a more useful player than Antony & given FFP constrictions we aren’t going to be able to bring in loads of players this Summer so ridding the squad of Rashford makes no sense in terms of squad quality in the short term. Unless we can get a ridiculous fee from PSG that truly eases FFP then selling him for something nominal doesn’t improve that situation enough.

I don’t think many/if any [bar Mainoo, perhaps Garnacho] from this squad will end up being key figures in the next successful United squad but selling Rashford whilst Antony remains, for me, is a terrible message to send.

Deal with Rashford slightly further down the road.

Vidyoyo said:
Sadly, nobody is buying Antony nor paying close to his wages. It's the Martial issue all over again. Rashy has value because despite our contempt he isn't a terrible baller, just an arsey one.
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See above.

I agree we aren’t getting much if anything for Antony but we need to accept that sooner rather than later & cut bait.

From the noises Ineos are making they know they’ll have to take some pain in the short term & I think taking what you can for Antony may well be something they pursue cause nothing is off the table.
 

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Plant0x84 said:
The only person who should be deciding whether Marcus stays or leaves is Marcus himself.
All these posts saying take this amount or that amount are frankly disrespectful to a player that has given so much to the club.
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:lol: No the club should decide. He’s just an employee
 

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Doubt the club will actively try to sell him, but if a large offer came in I hope they'd seriously consider it at least. Any half decent recruitment team should be capable of finding a suitable replacement for that lazy arse
 

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RuudTom83 said:
Those for getting rid...must also want a new face coming in.

I'd suggest getting rid of Martial, Sancho and Antony and bringing in a new face would be the better option.

There is a limit on how many fires Sir Jim can put out in the summer. Rashford genuinely is not that big of an issue, he's had a poor season (like everyone else) but he has shown signs of combining with Hojlund and in the last 2 months the forwards have been alright if not pretty decent.
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My reason for getting rid of Rashford isn’t because I think he’s the biggest issue. It’s moreso that I think it’s very good business if you can get 60-70m for a flawed player whose production isn’t irreplaceable. Obviously the names you mentioned should be shipped out as deadweight but those are no brainer decisions anyways.
 

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Lynty said:
Always really liked Rashford as a player, even during his poor runs of form I defended him. For the first time, I'm getting fatigued waiting for him to become a consistent player.

It would be a very brave move to sell though, as it's not the right time in my opinion. Him and Bruno are basically the faces of United. If he leaves and starts smashing it at PSG whilst we are still struggling in the league next season - it would be awful PR for Ratcliffe and co. A lot to lose and not an awful lot to gain by selling, especially when there's easier assets to move on this summer (Greenwood, Sancho, Maguire, AWB) and he has so long left on his contract. Selling in summer 2025 would make more sense, if we decide he's no longer needed.
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If we are evaluating transfer decisions from a PR standpoint then we won’t ever be successful anyways.
 

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World-class ability, but one of the most non-competitive players I've ever seen at the club. Sell.
 

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its one of those situations where the time comes where a move suits all parties and if PSG are in the mood this could be the time to dance. For me its a 'what would SAF do?' and I am pretty sure having he would be selling. I still remember the shock when Hughes and Kancelskis got sold in the same summer, but it was the right decision.
 

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AFC NimbleThumb said:
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Selling Rashford before you sell Antony would be scandalous behaviour.
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I doubt we'll be getting bids for either to be honest, or even Sancho for that matter. In that sense if there's a chance to sell any player we don't want to keep, we should sell.
 

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I doubt we'll be getting bids for either to be honest, or even Sancho for that matter. In that sense if there's a chance to sell any player we don't want to keep, we should sell.
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Let's not be silly. If Rashford was for sale, you'd have several clubs interested in him. A player his age who's had multiple 20+ goal seasons in the PL aren't easy to come by.
 

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Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Let's not be silly. If Rashford was for sale, you'd have several clubs interested in him. A player his age who's had multiple 20+ goal seasons in the PL aren't easy to come by.
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I honestly don't think Rashford is a hot commodity at the moment. I wouldn't want us to invest in a player who has been inconsistent through out his career. It's not as if we're going to sell on the cheap, and he'd also demand high wages anywhere else, so the attraction isn't there.
 

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I honestly don't think Rashford is a hot commodity at the moment. I wouldn't want us to invest in a player who has been inconsistent through out his career. It's not as if we're going to sell on the cheap, and he'd also demand high wages anywhere else, so the attraction isn't there.
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The high wages might be an issue for some clubs, however I don't see a world where PSG and other top European clubs would baulk at paying 70m for him.
 

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its one of those situations where the time comes where a move suits all parties and if PSG are in the mood this could be the time to dance. For me its a 'what would SAF do?' and I am pretty sure having he would be selling. I still remember the shock when Hughes and Kancelskis got sold in the same summer, but it was the right decision.
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Of course it helps selling established players when you have a once a century crop of superb youngsters who all love the club coming through.
 

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RuudTom83 said:
Rashford genuinely is not that big of an issue, he's had a poor season (like everyone else) but he has shown signs of combining with Hojlund and in the last 2 months the forwards have been alright if not pretty decent.
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Perplexing take. The player has had two 'good' seasons in his entire time at Man Utd and is nowhere near good enough to play for a club that refers to itself as the 'biggest' in the world. He epitomises most things that are at odds with all of the great players, teams, and managers that have made Man Utd so famous. He is three rungs, at best, above Jesse Lingard on a twenty-step ladder. What sort of example does it set to the entire playing squad that this lazy peabrain is a star player? You are seriously underestimating the effect that this must have on a squad. How is a manager supposed to develop young, unproven players as part of the first team when the standards are so slow?
 
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