I did, to highlight he’s won pretty much everything there is to win in football.
How he did it is meaningless if he did it.
Hmmm, I mean, that doesn’t feel right at all… but I guess you’re technically correct? It’s a fascinating sketchy metric though.
You could definitely say winning multiple league titles, domestic cups in 2 countries, a European trophy and the World Cup is a stellar career, but you could also pick apart all but one of those things as underwhelming for a player of his profile and potential if you wanted to examine it…
I mean, it certainly seems bonkers to line him up against even Utd teammates like Rooney or Mata and say
he ‘won pretty much everything’ … but then his trophy haul doesn’t stack up too badly against, say, Ronaldo Lima, and few would argue his career was poor (injuries aside)…. Likewise Zlatan is seen as a serial winner, but most of his titles are also in Italy, and his only European success is the same one as Pogba’s (who actually scored in the final) and obviously did nothing Internationally so whilst I initially scoffed at this (and I still think ‘winning pretty much everything’ sounds wrong) it’s not quite as mad as I thought.
it’s really down to having a poor narrative I guess. You can spread your success out, or have a late redemptive arc. But he spent the majority of his peak in England, where he objectively failed beyond his first season (though I still don’t think he’s remotely one of our worst banter era signings when you take the money out of it) so his career seems worse than it probably was cos of it.
Still, Rashford has 2 more English trophies in only 2 more seasons played without Pogba, so the impression that he failed to lift us beyond what we were considering the profile and potential he had at his peak here still sticks, and I think will always weigh down any attempts to objectify his legacy.
I looked at stats and worked everything out a while back. He started something like 92% of games he was available for over his entire time here. Including his falling out with Jose and returns from injuries, there were very few games he wasn’t picked for.
