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If RB and Horner and the above were transparent about what was going on then it wouldn't be a big deal that goes on from race to race but I suspect the lack of transparency (as with many other cases in the sporting world) is because they're hiding stuff they don't want people confirming as it makes them look like terrible people.
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totally agree, this is a shitstorm of their own making.
 

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The rumours that Horner is to be sacked at getting stronger, now it seems that the RB main owners have changed their minds and want Horner out.
There is clearly a massive power struggle going on and if all the rumours are true, then maybe Marko and Jos have won the battle, would RB want to see Max going to a rival team and that rival could well be Mercedes.
What is happening off track is not effecting how they race, but it is affecting the RB brand.
Is Horner guilty of any offenses , no I dont think he is, is he guilty of being very creepy, judging by the leaked messages then yes he is, personally I think he is the victim of an internal power struggle, for what ever reason.
But this is far from over.

Red Bull owners hold crisis talks amid reports Christian Horner will be sacked (msn.com)
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Very good post.
 

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United Hobbit said:
Wonder where that would leave Max if he does want out at RB - do Mercedes go for the slightly riskier option of the potential next Max, or the multiple champion?

The only option I can see if they do go for Antonelli for Max is Ferrari if Lewis retires, as surely the next tier of teams (McLaren and Aston Martin) have very good young drivers, or are too uncompetitive.

Interesting point above re Max's legacy - obviously he's one of the best but he's only truly had to go toe to toe with someone for one of his likely to be 4 titles. I think he would beat most teammates currently on the grid, but until we get to see it there will always be that question mark of anyone could win in that RB

But then at times you hear him speak and don't entirely get the sense he's got the same obsession of cementing his reputation in the same way say a Lewis does. He almost comes across as wanting to try other things and sees a world outside F1. I certainly don't think he'd go with an uncompetitive team just to stay in F1.
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We need to remember that Max became an F1 driver at 17.
And he is now 26. So he has been in F1 for some 9 years. Still not old by any means. But it would be quite understandable if he was beginning to think about other things.

I believe that he would benefit from a more challenging co driver and obviously more challenging teams. But it is what it is and the current politics can not help; especially his father.
 

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The rumours that Horner is to be sacked at getting stronger, now it seems that the RB main owners have changed their minds and want Horner out.
There is clearly a massive power struggle going on and if all the rumours are true, then maybe Marko and Jos have won the battle, would RB want to see Max going to a rival team and that rival could well be Mercedes.
What is happening off track is not effecting how they race, but it is affecting the RB brand.
Is Horner guilty of any offenses , no I dont think he is, is he guilty of being very creepy, judging by the leaked messages then yes he is, personally I think he is the victim of an internal power struggle, for what ever reason.
But this is far from over.

Red Bull owners hold crisis talks amid reports Christian Horner will be sacked (msn.com)
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Tbh all those rumours appear to be coming from one source and that source didn't seem very reliable.

Not saying he won't be fired but don't think the one rumour being passed around by different "journalists" means much.

As far as his guilt goes, I've no idea tbh. I'd lean towards guilty but then there was reports of the messages being tampered with. Do I believe those reports? Not really. But we will likely never have enough info to make a perfectly informed judgement call unless it goes to court.

Anyway at this point the internal struggle likely has nothing to do with Horners guilt or innocence. It simply appears to be a number of different people making moves to gain more power, control and money since Dietrich died.
 

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throughout the whole debacle, red bull still haven’t answered the big question that’s been on everyone’s lips since the very start. was horner sitting down or standing up in the airplane shitter when he finished himself off?
 

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United Hobbit said:
Wonder where that would leave Max if he does want out at RB - do Mercedes go for the slightly riskier option of the potential next Max, or the multiple champion?

The only option I can see if they do go for Antonelli for Max is Ferrari if Lewis retires, as surely the next tier of teams (McLaren and Aston Martin) have very good young drivers, or are too uncompetitive.

Interesting point above re Max's legacy - obviously he's one of the best but he's only truly had to go toe to toe with someone for one of his likely to be 4 titles. I think he would beat most teammates currently on the grid, but until we get to see it there will always be that question mark of anyone could win in that RB

But then at times you hear him speak and don't entirely get the sense he's got the same obsession of cementing his reputation in the same way say a Lewis does. He almost comes across as wanting to try other things and sees a world outside F1. I certainly don't think he'd go with an uncompetitive team just to stay in F1.
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Max and Antonelli would probably be the dream lineup I'd guess. Let the kid learn from max. I can't see Russell surviving for long if Max joins Mercedes.
 

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pauldyson1uk said:
The rumours that Horner is to be sacked at getting stronger, now it seems that the RB main owners have changed their minds and want Horner out.
There is clearly a massive power struggle going on and if all the rumours are true, then maybe Marko and Jos have won the battle, would RB want to see Max going to a rival team and that rival could well be Mercedes.
What is happening off track is not effecting how they race, but it is affecting the RB brand.
Is Horner guilty of any offenses , no I dont think he is, is he guilty of being very creepy, judging by the leaked messages then yes he is, personally I think he is the victim of an internal power struggle, for what ever reason.
But this is far from over.

Red Bull owners hold crisis talks amid reports Christian Horner will be sacked (msn.com)
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RedBull aren't run like Ferrari and Mercedes currently and that's due to materstitz and horner. It's what appealed to Newey originally. With both metersistz and horner gone, RB will become the same corporate entity as Ferrari and Mercedes. They will lose that uniqueness they currently have as a big team operating like a smaller organic race team.

They will regret sacking horner. Considering what he's achieved with a energy drinks company, it's pretty phenomenal l, even if I didn't not like the man.
 

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When Jos was interviewed at the weekend he seemed to think Horner would see out the season.
 

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RedBull aren't run like Ferrari and Mercedes currently and that's due to materstitz and horner. It's what appealed to Newey originally. With both metersistz and horner gone, RB will become the same corporate entity as Ferrari and Mercedes. They will lose that uniqueness they currently have as a big team operating like a smaller organic race team.

They will regret sacking horner. Considering what he's achieved with a energy drinks company, it's pretty phenomenal l, even if I didn't not like the man.
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Man is an accomplished cnut but extremely good at a race team management. This sort of perfectionism is really difficult to achieve for so long and they've nailed it repeatedly. Demolishing all this for ego alone would become one of the biggest self destructions in any sport or business in general.
 

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laughtersassassin said:
Tbh all those rumours appear to be coming from one source and that source didn't seem very reliable.

Not saying he won't be fired but don't think the one rumour being passed around by different "journalists" means much.

As far as his guilt goes, I've no idea tbh. I'd lean towards guilty but then there was reports of the messages being tampered with. Do I believe those reports? Not really. But we will likely never have enough info to make a perfectly informed judgement call unless it goes to court.

Anyway at this point the internal struggle likely has nothing to do with Horners guilt or innocence. It simply appears to be a number of different people making moves to gain more power, control and money since Dietrich died.
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Fair point with the one source, most of the stuff I have read is basically saying the same .
The bit in bold is nail on the head I think, he has ruffled many feathers
 

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RB are far from pleased with Haas’ Kevin Magnussen and will look to raise their displeasure with Formula 1’s governing body the FIA.

It was a rough outing for Magnussen at the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix after picking up 20 seconds worth of time penalties, though he still played a very important role for Haas and team-mate Nico Hulkenberg, which for RB has proven “difficult to take”.

RB threaten Kevin Magnussen with FIA intervention after ‘unsportsmanlike conduct’ (msn.com)
 

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Mercedes F1 boss Toto fears that the deficit suffered by the team’s W15 car last weekend in Saudi Arabia is rooted in a “fundamental” issue hiding under the silver arrows’ skin.
Mercedes hints at ‘fundamental’ cause behind W15 deficit (f1i.com)
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Also read somewhere that they have an issue with simulator software... well it has been broken for three years then :lol:

This is why I can't see any of the main title contenders wanted to join Mercedes and it's probably why Lewis is jumping ship.

Post 2021 they're the F1 equilient of United after Fegie left, after seeing what SJR has done with us I am surpised he hasn't done more with Mercedes seeing that he own's a third of it.
 

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hp88 said:
Also read somewhere that they have an issue with simulator software... well it has been broken for three years then :lol:

This is why I can't see any of the main title contenders wanted to join Mercedes and it's probably why Lewis is jumping ship.

Post 2021 they're the F1 equilient of United after Fegie left, after seeing what SJR has done with us I am surpised he hasn't done more with Mercedes seeing that he own's a third of it.
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I have to agree, I remember being shocked when Lewis joined them, but clearly he knew what they had.
This season and 2025 I dont see them being anything but 3rd best team, but I have to admit I did not see Lewis leaving for Ferrari.
 

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Ferrari is reportedly circling around four high-profile Red Bull engineers in a bid to lure all or several of the latter to Maranello according to the Italian media.

Rumors of Ferrari head hunting top talent at Milton Keynes have been swirling since last year and could significantly impact Red Bull’s engineering department should the Scuderia’s poaching efforts prove successful.

Ferrari reportedly making a play for top Red Bull engineers (f1i.com)
 

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Also read somewhere that they have an issue with simulator software... well it has been broken for three years then :lol:

This is why I can't see any of the main title contenders wanted to join Mercedes and it's probably why Lewis is jumping ship.

Post 2021 they're the F1 equilient of United after Fegie left, after seeing what SJR has done with us I am surpised he hasn't done more with Mercedes seeing that he own's a third of it.
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Merc have come second and third (I think) in the championship the last two seasons and red bull have Newey who is so far ahead of anyone else for ground effect cars, there really isn't much anyone can do against him at the moment.

I would expect one of sainz, Alonso or antonelli to end up at Merc next season.
 

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Merc have come second and third (I think) in the championship the last two seasons and red bull have Newey who is so far ahead of anyone else for ground effect cars, there really isn't much anyone can do against him at the moment.

I would expect one of sainz, Alonso or antonelli to end up at Merc next season.
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Any of those 3 would jump at the chance to drive at Mercedes.
 

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RB are far from pleased with Haas’ Kevin Magnussen and will look to raise their displeasure with Formula 1’s governing body the FIA.

It was a rough outing for Magnussen at the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix after picking up 20 seconds worth of time penalties, though he still played a very important role for Haas and team-mate Nico Hulkenberg, which for RB has proven “difficult to take”.

RB threaten Kevin Magnussen with FIA intervention after ‘unsportsmanlike conduct’ (msn.com)
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If Magnussen was so slow, they should have just overtaken him.

Seriously though, I doubt any further action will be taken. There are no rules against backing up the opposition to benefit a teammate. What I don't understand is, why the stewards didn't just order Magnussen to give back the position after he overtook Tsunoda and went off track? Is that not an option instead of a 10 second penalty?
 

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Remember when everyone praised Perez for slowing Hamilton down in Abu dhabi in 2021 by like five seconds in a lap? Or when ocon did it in Monaco?

I see no issue here at all with what kmag did. It wasn't dangerous.
 

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Remember when everyone praised Perez for slowing Hamilton down in Abu dhabi in 2021 by like five seconds in a lap? Or when ocon did it in Monaco?

I see no issue here at all with what kmag did. It wasn't dangerous.
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What kmag did was awesome use of strategy. It's the other drivers and pitwall fault for not finding a way through.

Petrov cost Alonso the title in abu dhabi back in 2014 or something like that. Alonso and his pitwall couldn't find a way pass him. It happens.
 

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I think we may see a technical directive to raise the height of the cars on health and saftey grounds. Norris has followed Max and Russell saying the cars as they are currently are impacting driver health. Sainz appendix issue was cause by the porposing on the car apparently.

Apparently its going to affect the longevity of driver careers in F1.

Alex Albion spoke to a doctor about a link between porposing - seat lap belts and driver health.

https://racingnews365.com/norris-makes-demand-to-improve-f1-cars
 

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I think we may see a technical directive to raise the height of the cars on health and saftey grounds. Norris has followed Max and Russell saying the cars as they are currently are impacting driver health. Sainz appendix issue was cause by the porposing on the car apparently.

Apparently its going to affect the longevity of driver careers in F1.

Alex Albion spoke to a doctor about a link between porposing - seat lap belts and driver health.

https://racingnews365.com/norris-makes-demand-to-improve-f1-cars
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With how bad the racing has been maybe a new set of technical directives need to be drawn up and a move away from the ground effect era again, all the drivers really have been them and the ground is a plank, it's 3 seasons now and there is still problems with it
 

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With how bad the racing has been maybe a new set of technical directives need to be drawn up and a move away from the ground effect era again, all the drivers really have been them and the ground is a plank, it's 3 seasons now and there is still problems with it
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I think that would be a 2026 onwards re-design. Lifting the current cars floor by 5-10cm would be the simplest temporary solution for now.
 
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