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Pickle85 said:
The MLK assassination would be a pretty different conversation though, wouldn't it? Taking one, carefully chosen target out vs indiscriminate civilian casualties.
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No doubt, but I wouldn't be surprised if some elements of the domestic US intelligence apparatus had its hands in that tragedy.
 

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Given past history and ongoing events, the options are:

- False flag (a replay of the 99 apartment bombings)
- Rogue Chechans (obviously not controlled by Kadyrov)
- Rogue Russians displeased with life under Putin
- Russian, anti Ukraine war mercenaries such as those recently making cross border incursions (the unlikeliest of options)
 

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Raoul said:
Given past history and ongoing events, the options are:

- False flag (a replay of the 99 apartment bombings)
- Rogue Chechans (obviously not controlled by Kadyrov)
- Rogue Russians displeased with life under Putin
- Russian, anti Ukraine war mercenaries such as those recently making cross border incursions (the unlikeliest of options)
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And number one the most likely.
 

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Raoul said:
Given past history and ongoing events, the options are:

- False flag (a replay of the 99 apartment bombings)
- Rogue Chechans (obviously not controlled by Kadyrov)
- Rogue Russians displeased with life under Putin
- Russian, anti Ukraine war mercenaries such as those recently making cross border incursions (the unlikeliest of options)
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Missing Syrians, Georgians, ISIS, probably a few others.
 

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The US were one signature, JF Kennedy, away from running a false flag attack on it's civilians and blaming it on Cuba to create public support for an invasion. But saying 9-11 was an inside job would be called ridiculous by those same people saying this is a false flag attack.

Let's wait for more information to come.
 

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hasanejaz88 said:
The US were one signature, JF Kennedy, away from running a false flag attack on it's civilians and blaming it on Cuba to create public support for an invasion. But saying 9-11 was an inside job would be called ridiculous by those same people saying this is a false flag attack.

Let's wait for more information to come.
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Oh Lord...
 

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Pickle85 said:
Yeah, it's really an entirely different situation. You know that's not even close to what 'false flag' is right?
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I think that they framed the black panthers at the beginning? But I will agree with you that are different situations, different age, different reasons but the government lying in an attack that killed people (and the people referenced in the quote that I quoted)

I might be wrong though. I will leave it like this to not derail.
 

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Why don't y'all wait till the dust settles before playing Sherlock Holmes?

Also interesting that civilians are being gunned down and the first thought of some posters is to somehow put the blame on Putin instead of having a thought for the victims.
 

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4bars said:
I think that they framed the black panthers at the beginning? But I will agree with you that are different situations, different age, different reasons but the government lying in an attack that killed people (and the people referenced in the quote that I quoted)

I might be wrong though. I will leave it like this to not derail.
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Fair play, I'm taking things off track too... apologies!
 

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Raoul said:
Given past history and ongoing events, the options are:

- False flag (a replay of the 99 apartment bombings)
- Rogue Chechans (obviously not controlled by Kadyrov)
- Rogue Russians displeased with life under Putin
- Russian, anti Ukraine war mercenaries such as those recently making cross border incursions (the unlikeliest of options)
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ISIS (Afghanistan's) is an option too, at least according to Christo Grozev. Although it's too early to tell.
 

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The authors have hostages and they will end being killed. If that is the case, my logic says that is not a false flag. I don't see anyone enroll for a suicide mission
 

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Raoul said:
Given past history and ongoing events, the options are:

- False flag (a replay of the 99 apartment bombings)
- Rogue Chechans (obviously not controlled by Kadyrov)
- Rogue Russians displeased with life under Putin
- Russian, anti Ukraine war mercenaries such as those recently making cross border incursions (the unlikeliest of options)
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Where would the possibility that it is about military/Wagner veterans struggling with mental health issues fit in this? I mean we know that the department of veteran affairs (VA) is not exactly top notch in Russia and we already saw a ton of bad things happening with vets in the US despite huge investments into the VA.
 

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4bars said:
The authors have hostages and they will end being killed. If that is the case, my logic says that is not a false flag. I don't see anyone enroll for a suicide mission
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You'd be surprised.
 

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RedDevilQuebecois said:
Where would the possibility that it is about military/Wagner veterans struggling with mental health issues fit in this? I mean we know that the department of veteran affairs (VA) is not exactly top notch in Russia and we already saw a ton of bad things happening with vets in the US despite huge investments into the VA.
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Yes, I should've included Wagner mercenaries pissed about Putin killing their leader as an option as well. ISIS as @harms mentioned could also be on the list.
 

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Pickle85 said:
Oh Lord...
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You don't detect sarcasm. My point is if you're using past incidences to think every attack afterwards is a false flag, then why not say it for the US and 9-11.

Both are equally ridiculous to suggest right now.
 

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Can’t imagine this being an inside job surely? He already has a complete hold on Russia and he already has his war with Ukraine. If anything, things like this project weakness for him.
 

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Zen86 said:
Can’t imagine this being an inside job surely? He already has a complete hold on Russia and he already has his war with Ukraine. If anything, things like this project weakness for him.
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It doesn't look good of course, but neither did the previous terror attacks such as Beslan 2004, Dubrovka theater 2002, St Petersburg metro bombing in 2017. Putin's strongman image won't be affected I think.
 

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Sounds like the casualties could be in the hundreds. Early reports said that it took one hour for special forces to arrive?
 

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This is horrific and should be condemned regardless of who did it. No person should be terrorized this way.

However, I would not believe the Putin regime if they tell me it's raining outside unless I get out and get wet myself.
 

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4bars said:
Sure, but it goes down quite down the list IMO
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Mate, this is pretty much a suicide mission. The guys who are doing that, no matter the motive behind, know that it's a one way trip.
 

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Zen86 said:
Can’t imagine this being an inside job surely? He already has a complete hold on Russia and he already has his war with Ukraine. If anything, things like this project weakness for him.
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Please don't take this in the wrong way as I agree with your sentiment in principle but the word weakness has long become wishful thinking on our part that there will be some negative outcome for Putin. With every weak/humiliating/embarrassing act his grip on Russia appears to only get tighter.
 

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Mate, this is pretty much a suicide mission. The guys who are doing that, no matter the motive behind, know that it's a one way trip.
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I know. But IMO is different a suicide mission for an external enemy organization that has little options than a false flag mission that can be organized in a way that a way out would exist
 

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Reports that the building's roof is partially collapsing too.
 

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All of them escaped that level of attack? And only 1 has been caught?

Yeah that doesnt tally with any terrorist attack on this scale pretty much ever.
 

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It's fecking horrendous whatever is happening.

From March 7th US embassy and others were warning people to stay away from concerts and citing extremists. Doesn't seem like a Russian false flag to me.
 
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