Is Southgate underrated by the CAF?

SteveCoppellFan

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At least you don't have Rob Page as your manager.

Saying that .. Rob Page would bomb as the England manager and Southgate would do likewise if he managed Wales.

There are definitely managers out there conning a living in International football because being crap for 8 games straight takes over a year to accomplish.

Both managers would have a torrid time in club football.
 

DJ_21

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Hope Glen Johnson has a word with Liverpool to talk to Southgate about replacing Klopp like he’s saying. Means he won’t join us
 

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Statically Gareth Southgate is the second most successful England manager in history in terms of wins.

He'll never get the credit that he deserves, though.

He could win the European Championships, World Cup, European Championships and World Cup, back-to-back and there are some people who would say "England won those four tournaments in spite of Gareth Southgate, not because of him."

Maybe it's it's personality. Perhaps if he was a "cheeky chappy" like Venables or Keegan he might receive more kudos.

A big part of me thinks it's political. We all know that Gareth Southgate leans to the left. He believes in fighting political, racial and social injustices... and the majority of England usually votes Conservative.

Before anyone ridicules the suggestion. It wasn't that long ago that England fans were booing the England team for taking the knee.

It wasn't that long ago that Southgate was being lambasted by a certain section of England fans because he was "woke"? (People who weaponise that word are racists)

The dislike towards Gareth Southgate simply cannot be football related. Look at his stats. It's second only to Alf Ramsey.

It can't be football related, unless England fans are truly stupid and they want Southgate to unleash the "attacking talent" that England have and go with a 2-2-6 system.

"Ridicule is the tribute given to the genius from the mediocrities" ~ Oscar Wilde

Coach/Manager
Term
P
W
D
L
F
A
GD
FTS
CS
FAv
AAv
Pts%​
W/L​
F.A. Selection
1872-1887
31
14
5
12
97
61
+36
4
8
3.129
1.968
53.2
+2
International Select Committee
1888-1939​
195
124
32
39
577
232
+345
16
60
2.959
1.19
71.8
+85
Walter Winterbottom (ISC)
1946-1963
139
78
33
28
383
196
+187
17
34
2.755
1.41
68.0
+50
Alf Ramsey
1963-1974
113
69
27
17
224
98
+126
19
49
1.982
0.867
73.0
+52
Joe Mercer
1974
7
3
3
1
9
7
+2
1
3
1.286
1.00
64.3
+2
Don Revie
1974-1977
29
14
8
7
49
25
+24
8
11
1.69
0.862
62.1
+7
Ron Greenwood
1977-1982
55
33
12
10
93
40
+53
10
28
1.691
0.727
70.9
+23
Bobby Robson
1982-1990
95
47
30
18
154
60
+94
27
54
1.621
0.632
65.3
+29
Graham Taylor
1990-1993
38
18
13
7
62
32
+30
7
16
1.632
0.842
64.5
+11
Terry Venables
1994-1996
24
11
12
1
35
13
+22
7
15
1.458
0.542
70.8
+10
Glenn Hoddle
1996-1999
28
17
6
5
42
13
+29
7
19
1.50
0.464
71.4
+12
Howard Wilkinson
1999, 2000
2
0
1
1
0
2
-2
2
1
0.00
1.00
25.0
-1
Kevin Keegan
1999-2000
18
7
7
4
26
15
+11
5
7
1.444
0.833
58.3
+3
Peter Taylor
2000-2001
1
0
0
1
0
1
-1
1
0
0.00
1.00
00.0
-1
Sven-Göran Eriksson
2001-2006
67
40
17
10
128
61
+67
8
26
1.91
0.91
72.3
+30
Steve McClaren
2006-2007
18
9
4
5
32
12
+20
4
11
1.778
0.667
61.1
+4
Fabio Capello
2008-2011
42
28
8
6
89
35
+54
6
16
2.119
0.833
76.2
+22​
Stuart Pearce
2012
1​
0​
0​
1​
2
3
-1​
0
0
2.00​
3.00​
00.0​
-1​
Roy Hodgson
2012-2016
56
33
15
8
109
44
+65
9
27
1.946
0.786
72.3
+25
Sam Allardyce
2016
1​
1​
0​
0​
1
0
+1​
0
1
1.00​
0.00​
100​
+1​
Gareth Southgate
2016-2024
93
57
21
15
202
65
+137
18
50
2.172
0.699
72.6
+42
 
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Donaldo

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A big part of me thinks it's political. We all know that Gareth Southgate leans to the left. He believes in fighting political, racial and social injustices... and the majority of England usually votes Conservative.

:lol:
 

Mike Smalling

Full Member
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Jan 27, 2018
Messages
11,024
Statically Gareth Southgate is the second most successful England manager in history in terms of wins.

He'll never get the credit that he deserves, though.

He could win the European Championships, World Cup, European Championships and World Cup, back-to-back and there are some people who would say "England won those four tournaments in spite of Gareth Southgate, not because of him."

Maybe it's it's personality. Perhaps if he was a "cheeky chappy" like Venables or Keegan he might receive more kudos.

A big part of me thinks it's political. We all know that Gareth Southgate leans to the left. He believes in fighting political, racial and social injustices... and the majority of England usually votes Conservative.

Before anyone ridicules the suggestion. It wasn't that long ago that England fans were booing the England team for taking the knee.

It wasn't that long ago that Southgate was being lambasted by a certain section of England fans because he was "woke"? (People who weaponise that word are racists)

The dislike towards Gareth Southgate simply cannot be football related. Look at his stats. It's second only to Alf Ramsey.

It can't be football related, unless England fans are truly stupid and they want Southgate to unleash the "attacking talent" that England have and go with a 2-2-6 system.

"Ridicule is the tribute given to the genius from the mediocrities" ~ Oscar Wilde

Coach/Manager
Term
P
W
D
L
F
A
GD
FTS
CS
FAv
AAv
Pts%​
W/L​
F.A. Selection
1872-1887
31
14
5
12
97
61
+36
4
8
3.129
1.968
53.2
+2
International Select Committee
1888-1939​
195
124
32
39
577
232
+345
16
60
2.959
1.19
71.8
+85
Walter Winterbottom (ISC)
1946-1963
139
78
33
28
383
196
+187
17
34
2.755
1.41
68.0
+50
Alf Ramsey
1963-1974
113
69
27
17
224
98
+126
19
49
1.982
0.867
73.0
+52
Joe Mercer
1974
7
3
3
1
9
7
+2
1
3
1.286
1.00
64.3
+2
Don Revie
1974-1977
29
14
8
7
49
25
+24
8
11
1.69
0.862
62.1
+7
Ron Greenwood
1977-1982
55
33
12
10
93
40
+53
10
28
1.691
0.727
70.9
+23
Bobby Robson
1982-1990
95
47
30
18
154
60
+94
27
54
1.621
0.632
65.3
+29
Graham Taylor
1990-1993
38
18
13
7
62
32
+30
7
16
1.632
0.842
64.5
+11
Terry Venables
1994-1996
24
11
12
1
35
13
+22
7
15
1.458
0.542
70.8
+10
Glenn Hoddle
1996-1999
28
17
6
5
42
13
+29
7
19
1.50
0.464
71.4
+12
Howard Wilkinson
1999, 2000
2
0
1
1
0
2
-2
2
1
0.00
1.00
25.0
-1
Kevin Keegan
1999-2000
18
7
7
4
26
15
+11
5
7
1.444
0.833
58.3
+3
Peter Taylor
2000-2001
1
0
0
1
0
1
-1
1
0
0.00
1.00
00.0
-1
Sven-Göran Eriksson
2001-2006
67
40
17
10
128
61
+67
8
26
1.91
0.91
72.3
+30
Steve McClaren
2006-2007
18
9
4
5
32
12
+20
4
11
1.778
0.667
61.1
+4
Fabio Capello
2008-2011
42
28
8
6
89
35
+54
6
16
2.119
0.833
76.2
+22​
Stuart Pearce
2012
1​
0​
0​
1​
2
3
-1​
0
0
2.00​
3.00​
00.0​
-1​
Roy Hodgson
2012-2016
56
33
15
8
109
44
+65
9
27
1.946
0.786
72.3
+25
Sam Allardyce
2016
1​
1​
0​
0​
1
0
+1​
0
1
1.00​
0.00​
100​
+1​
Gareth Southgate
2016-2024
93
57
21
15
202
65
+137
18
50
2.172
0.699
72.6
+42
If this post is a pisstake, kudos :lol:
 

miliebrowndivorceattorney

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Newbie
Joined
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Messages
254
Statically Gareth Southgate is the second most successful England manager in history in terms of wins.

He'll never get the credit that he deserves, though.

He could win the European Championships, World Cup, European Championships and World Cup, back-to-back and there are some people who would say "England won those four tournaments in spite of Gareth Southgate, not because of him."

Maybe it's it's personality. Perhaps if he was a "cheeky chappy" like Venables or Keegan he might receive more kudos.

A big part of me thinks it's political. We all know that Gareth Southgate leans to the left. He believes in fighting political, racial and social injustices... and the majority of England usually votes Conservative.

Before anyone ridicules the suggestion. It wasn't that long ago that England fans were booing the England team for taking the knee.

It wasn't that long ago that Southgate was being lambasted by a certain section of England fans because he was "woke"? (People who weaponise that word are racists)

The dislike towards Gareth Southgate simply cannot be football related. Look at his stats. It's second only to Alf Ramsey.

It can't be football related, unless England fans are truly stupid and they want Southgate to unleash the "attacking talent" that England have and go with a 2-2-6 system.

"Ridicule is the tribute given to the genius from the mediocrities" ~ Oscar Wilde

Coach/Manager
Term
P
W
D
L
F
A
GD
FTS
CS
FAv
AAv
Pts%​
W/L​
F.A. Selection
1872-1887
31
14
5
12
97
61
+36
4
8
3.129
1.968
53.2
+2
International Select Committee
1888-1939​
195
124
32
39
577
232
+345
16
60
2.959
1.19
71.8
+85
Walter Winterbottom (ISC)
1946-1963
139
78
33
28
383
196
+187
17
34
2.755
1.41
68.0
+50
Alf Ramsey
1963-1974
113
69
27
17
224
98
+126
19
49
1.982
0.867
73.0
+52
Joe Mercer
1974
7
3
3
1
9
7
+2
1
3
1.286
1.00
64.3
+2
Don Revie
1974-1977
29
14
8
7
49
25
+24
8
11
1.69
0.862
62.1
+7
Ron Greenwood
1977-1982
55
33
12
10
93
40
+53
10
28
1.691
0.727
70.9
+23
Bobby Robson
1982-1990
95
47
30
18
154
60
+94
27
54
1.621
0.632
65.3
+29
Graham Taylor
1990-1993
38
18
13
7
62
32
+30
7
16
1.632
0.842
64.5
+11
Terry Venables
1994-1996
24
11
12
1
35
13
+22
7
15
1.458
0.542
70.8
+10
Glenn Hoddle
1996-1999
28
17
6
5
42
13
+29
7
19
1.50
0.464
71.4
+12
Howard Wilkinson
1999, 2000
2
0
1
1
0
2
-2
2
1
0.00
1.00
25.0
-1
Kevin Keegan
1999-2000
18
7
7
4
26
15
+11
5
7
1.444
0.833
58.3
+3
Peter Taylor
2000-2001
1
0
0
1
0
1
-1
1
0
0.00
1.00
00.0
-1
Sven-Göran Eriksson
2001-2006
67
40
17
10
128
61
+67
8
26
1.91
0.91
72.3
+30
Steve McClaren
2006-2007
18
9
4
5
32
12
+20
4
11
1.778
0.667
61.1
+4
Fabio Capello
2008-2011
42
28
8
6
89
35
+54
6
16
2.119
0.833
76.2
+22​
Stuart Pearce
2012
1​
0​
0​
1​
2
3
-1​
0
0
2.00​
3.00​
00.0​
-1​
Roy Hodgson
2012-2016
56
33
15
8
109
44
+65
9
27
1.946
0.786
72.3
+25
Sam Allardyce
2016
1​
1​
0​
0​
1
0
+1​
0
1
1.00​
0.00​
100​
+1​
Gareth Southgate
2016-2024
93
57
21
15
202
65
+137
18
50
2.172
0.699
72.6
+42
Love your take!

I get why people point to Southgate's statistics but it really is widely skewed by the immense wealth of talent throughout the squad.

Take for instance Harry Kane. He came up in 2015 and since scored 62 goals, 2 golden boots, single handedly got England through 2 qualifications as most productive player, heads a few other stats in those races. Take him out and Southgate wins and goals for plummet by 25%.

Just a look at the 2019 squad next to Harry. Chillwell, Alexander Arnold, Walker, Rose, trippier, Dier, Mings, Stones. And thats just the defence. Midfield: Rice, Barkley, Henderson, Maddison, Mount, Delph, Ward Prowse as midfield choice.

I watched the France game and it looked like a Lampard set up Chelsea. Good players doing things on their own. Out of form Foden on the left when in form Rahsford on the bench. Defensively it looked very shaky every time les bleu came forward. Individual quality driving England attacks.

It's a nice guy, good for PR but the England quality you have now is just criminal not putting a top coach with them.
 

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Statically Gareth Southgate is the second most successful England manager in history in terms of wins.

He'll never get the credit that he deserves, though.

He could win the European Championships, World Cup, European Championships and World Cup, back-to-back and there are some people who would say "England won those four tournaments in spite of Gareth Southgate, not because of him."

Maybe it's it's personality. Perhaps if he was a "cheeky chappy" like Venables or Keegan he might receive more kudos.

A big part of me thinks it's political. We all know that Gareth Southgate leans to the left. He believes in fighting political, racial and social injustices... and the majority of England usually votes Conservative.

Before anyone ridicules the suggestion. It wasn't that long ago that England fans were booing the England team for taking the knee.

It wasn't that long ago that Southgate was being lambasted by a certain section of England fans because he was "woke"? (People who weaponise that word are racists)

The dislike towards Gareth Southgate simply cannot be football related. Look at his stats. It's second only to Alf Ramsey.

It can't be football related, unless England fans are truly stupid and they want Southgate to unleash the "attacking talent" that England have and go with a 2-2-6 system.

"Ridicule is the tribute given to the genius from the mediocrities" ~ Oscar Wilde

Coach/Manager
Term
P
W
D
L
F
A
GD
FTS
CS
FAv
AAv
Pts%​
W/L​
F.A. Selection
1872-1887
31
14
5
12
97
61
+36
4
8
3.129
1.968
53.2
+2
International Select Committee
1888-1939​
195
124
32
39
577
232
+345
16
60
2.959
1.19
71.8
+85
Walter Winterbottom (ISC)
1946-1963
139
78
33
28
383
196
+187
17
34
2.755
1.41
68.0
+50
Alf Ramsey
1963-1974
113
69
27
17
224
98
+126
19
49
1.982
0.867
73.0
+52
Joe Mercer
1974
7
3
3
1
9
7
+2
1
3
1.286
1.00
64.3
+2
Don Revie
1974-1977
29
14
8
7
49
25
+24
8
11
1.69
0.862
62.1
+7
Ron Greenwood
1977-1982
55
33
12
10
93
40
+53
10
28
1.691
0.727
70.9
+23
Bobby Robson
1982-1990
95
47
30
18
154
60
+94
27
54
1.621
0.632
65.3
+29
Graham Taylor
1990-1993
38
18
13
7
62
32
+30
7
16
1.632
0.842
64.5
+11
Terry Venables
1994-1996
24
11
12
1
35
13
+22
7
15
1.458
0.542
70.8
+10
Glenn Hoddle
1996-1999
28
17
6
5
42
13
+29
7
19
1.50
0.464
71.4
+12
Howard Wilkinson
1999, 2000
2
0
1
1
0
2
-2
2
1
0.00
1.00
25.0
-1
Kevin Keegan
1999-2000
18
7
7
4
26
15
+11
5
7
1.444
0.833
58.3
+3
Peter Taylor
2000-2001
1
0
0
1
0
1
-1
1
0
0.00
1.00
00.0
-1
Sven-Göran Eriksson
2001-2006
67
40
17
10
128
61
+67
8
26
1.91
0.91
72.3
+30
Steve McClaren
2006-2007
18
9
4
5
32
12
+20
4
11
1.778
0.667
61.1
+4
Fabio Capello
2008-2011
42
28
8
6
89
35
+54
6
16
2.119
0.833
76.2
+22​
Stuart Pearce
2012
1​
0​
0​
1​
2
3
-1​
0
0
2.00​
3.00​
00.0​
-1​
Roy Hodgson
2012-2016
56
33
15
8
109
44
+65
9
27
1.946
0.786
72.3
+25
Sam Allardyce
2016
1​
1​
0​
0​
1
0
+1​
0
1
1.00​
0.00​
100​
+1​
Gareth Southgate
2016-2024
93
57
21
15
202
65
+137
18
50
2.172
0.699
72.6
+42
Nah I am left and I think he's a nice enough guy but not a good manager and got lucky to have a better squad than others previous/they were not good either.
 

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Messages
11,543
Supports
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Statically Gareth Southgate is the second most successful England manager in history in terms of wins.

He'll never get the credit that he deserves, though.

He could win the European Championships, World Cup, European Championships and World Cup, back-to-back and there are some people who would say "England won those four tournaments in spite of Gareth Southgate, not because of him."

Maybe it's it's personality. Perhaps if he was a "cheeky chappy" like Venables or Keegan he might receive more kudos.

A big part of me thinks it's political. We all know that Gareth Southgate leans to the left. He believes in fighting political, racial and social injustices... and the majority of England usually votes Conservative.

Before anyone ridicules the suggestion. It wasn't that long ago that England fans were booing the England team for taking the knee.

It wasn't that long ago that Southgate was being lambasted by a certain section of England fans because he was "woke"? (People who weaponise that word are racists)

The dislike towards Gareth Southgate simply cannot be football related. Look at his stats. It's second only to Alf Ramsey.

It can't be football related, unless England fans are truly stupid and they want Southgate to unleash the "attacking talent" that England have and go with a 2-2-6 system.

"Ridicule is the tribute given to the genius from the mediocrities" ~ Oscar Wilde

Coach/Manager
Term
P
W
D
L
F
A
GD
FTS
CS
FAv
AAv
Pts%​
W/L​
F.A. Selection
1872-1887
31
14
5
12
97
61
+36
4
8
3.129
1.968
53.2
+2
International Select Committee
1888-1939​
195
124
32
39
577
232
+345
16
60
2.959
1.19
71.8
+85
Walter Winterbottom (ISC)
1946-1963
139
78
33
28
383
196
+187
17
34
2.755
1.41
68.0
+50
Alf Ramsey
1963-1974
113
69
27
17
224
98
+126
19
49
1.982
0.867
73.0
+52
Joe Mercer
1974
7
3
3
1
9
7
+2
1
3
1.286
1.00
64.3
+2
Don Revie
1974-1977
29
14
8
7
49
25
+24
8
11
1.69
0.862
62.1
+7
Ron Greenwood
1977-1982
55
33
12
10
93
40
+53
10
28
1.691
0.727
70.9
+23
Bobby Robson
1982-1990
95
47
30
18
154
60
+94
27
54
1.621
0.632
65.3
+29
Graham Taylor
1990-1993
38
18
13
7
62
32
+30
7
16
1.632
0.842
64.5
+11
Terry Venables
1994-1996
24
11
12
1
35
13
+22
7
15
1.458
0.542
70.8
+10
Glenn Hoddle
1996-1999
28
17
6
5
42
13
+29
7
19
1.50
0.464
71.4
+12
Howard Wilkinson
1999, 2000
2
0
1
1
0
2
-2
2
1
0.00
1.00
25.0
-1
Kevin Keegan
1999-2000
18
7
7
4
26
15
+11
5
7
1.444
0.833
58.3
+3
Peter Taylor
2000-2001
1
0
0
1
0
1
-1
1
0
0.00
1.00
00.0
-1
Sven-Göran Eriksson
2001-2006
67
40
17
10
128
61
+67
8
26
1.91
0.91
72.3
+30
Steve McClaren
2006-2007
18
9
4
5
32
12
+20
4
11
1.778
0.667
61.1
+4
Fabio Capello
2008-2011
42
28
8
6
89
35
+54
6
16
2.119
0.833
76.2
+22​
Stuart Pearce
2012
1​
0​
0​
1​
2
3
-1​
0
0
2.00​
3.00​
00.0​
-1​
Roy Hodgson
2012-2016
56
33
15
8
109
44
+65
9
27
1.946
0.786
72.3
+25
Sam Allardyce
2016
1​
1​
0​
0​
1
0
+1​
0
1
1.00​
0.00​
100​
+1​
Gareth Southgate
2016-2024
93
57
21
15
202
65
+137
18
50
2.172
0.699
72.6
+42
This means absolutely nothing because most of it hinges on the players each manager had at their time .
Southgate has one of the best squads ever by an england team and still manages to be mediocre in many instances.
 

Robbie Boy

Full Member
Joined
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Messages
28,196
Location
Dublin
Statically Gareth Southgate is the second most successful England manager in history in terms of wins.

He'll never get the credit that he deserves, though.

He could win the European Championships, World Cup, European Championships and World Cup, back-to-back and there are some people who would say "England won those four tournaments in spite of Gareth Southgate, not because of him."

Maybe it's it's personality. Perhaps if he was a "cheeky chappy" like Venables or Keegan he might receive more kudos.

A big part of me thinks it's political. We all know that Gareth Southgate leans to the left. He believes in fighting political, racial and social injustices... and the majority of England usually votes Conservative.

Before anyone ridicules the suggestion. It wasn't that long ago that England fans were booing the England team for taking the knee.

It wasn't that long ago that Southgate was being lambasted by a certain section of England fans because he was "woke"? (People who weaponise that word are racists)

The dislike towards Gareth Southgate simply cannot be football related. Look at his stats. It's second only to Alf Ramsey.

It can't be football related, unless England fans are truly stupid and they want Southgate to unleash the "attacking talent" that England have and go with a 2-2-6 system.

"Ridicule is the tribute given to the genius from the mediocrities" ~ Oscar Wilde

Coach/Manager
Term
P
W
D
L
F
A
GD
FTS
CS
FAv
AAv
Pts%​
W/L​
F.A. Selection
1872-1887
31
14
5
12
97
61
+36
4
8
3.129
1.968
53.2
+2
International Select Committee
1888-1939​
195
124
32
39
577
232
+345
16
60
2.959
1.19
71.8
+85
Walter Winterbottom (ISC)
1946-1963
139
78
33
28
383
196
+187
17
34
2.755
1.41
68.0
+50
Alf Ramsey
1963-1974
113
69
27
17
224
98
+126
19
49
1.982
0.867
73.0
+52
Joe Mercer
1974
7
3
3
1
9
7
+2
1
3
1.286
1.00
64.3
+2
Don Revie
1974-1977
29
14
8
7
49
25
+24
8
11
1.69
0.862
62.1
+7
Ron Greenwood
1977-1982
55
33
12
10
93
40
+53
10
28
1.691
0.727
70.9
+23
Bobby Robson
1982-1990
95
47
30
18
154
60
+94
27
54
1.621
0.632
65.3
+29
Graham Taylor
1990-1993
38
18
13
7
62
32
+30
7
16
1.632
0.842
64.5
+11
Terry Venables
1994-1996
24
11
12
1
35
13
+22
7
15
1.458
0.542
70.8
+10
Glenn Hoddle
1996-1999
28
17
6
5
42
13
+29
7
19
1.50
0.464
71.4
+12
Howard Wilkinson
1999, 2000
2
0
1
1
0
2
-2
2
1
0.00
1.00
25.0
-1
Kevin Keegan
1999-2000
18
7
7
4
26
15
+11
5
7
1.444
0.833
58.3
+3
Peter Taylor
2000-2001
1
0
0
1
0
1
-1
1
0
0.00
1.00
00.0
-1
Sven-Göran Eriksson
2001-2006
67
40
17
10
128
61
+67
8
26
1.91
0.91
72.3
+30
Steve McClaren
2006-2007
18
9
4
5
32
12
+20
4
11
1.778
0.667
61.1
+4
Fabio Capello
2008-2011
42
28
8
6
89
35
+54
6
16
2.119
0.833
76.2
+22​
Stuart Pearce
2012
1​
0​
0​
1​
2
3
-1​
0
0
2.00​
3.00​
00.0​
-1​
Roy Hodgson
2012-2016
56
33
15
8
109
44
+65
9
27
1.946
0.786
72.3
+25
Sam Allardyce
2016
1​
1​
0​
0​
1
0
+1​
0
1
1.00​
0.00​
100​
+1​
Gareth Southgate
2016-2024
93
57
21
15
202
65
+137
18
50
2.172
0.699
72.6
+42
:lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Trequarista10

Full Member
Joined
Nov 27, 2020
Messages
2,542
Statically Gareth Southgate is the second most successful England manager in history in terms of wins.

He'll never get the credit that he deserves, though.

He could win the European Championships, World Cup, European Championships and World Cup, back-to-back and there are some people who would say "England won those four tournaments in spite of Gareth Southgate, not because of him."

Maybe it's it's personality. Perhaps if he was a "cheeky chappy" like Venables or Keegan he might receive more kudos.

A big part of me thinks it's political. We all know that Gareth Southgate leans to the left. He believes in fighting political, racial and social injustices... and the majority of England usually votes Conservative.

Before anyone ridicules the suggestion. It wasn't that long ago that England fans were booing the England team for taking the knee.

It wasn't that long ago that Southgate was being lambasted by a certain section of England fans because he was "woke"? (People who weaponise that word are racists)

The dislike towards Gareth Southgate simply cannot be football related. Look at his stats. It's second only to Alf Ramsey.

It can't be football related, unless England fans are truly stupid and they want Southgate to unleash the "attacking talent" that England have and go with a 2-2-6 system.

"Ridicule is the tribute given to the genius from the mediocrities" ~ Oscar Wilde

Coach/Manager
Term
P
W
D
L
F
A
GD
FTS
CS
FAv
AAv
Pts%​
W/L​
F.A. Selection
1872-1887
31
14
5
12
97
61
+36
4
8
3.129
1.968
53.2
+2
International Select Committee
1888-1939​
195
124
32
39
577
232
+345
16
60
2.959
1.19
71.8
+85
Walter Winterbottom (ISC)
1946-1963
139
78
33
28
383
196
+187
17
34
2.755
1.41
68.0
+50
Alf Ramsey
1963-1974
113
69
27
17
224
98
+126
19
49
1.982
0.867
73.0
+52
Joe Mercer
1974
7
3
3
1
9
7
+2
1
3
1.286
1.00
64.3
+2
Don Revie
1974-1977
29
14
8
7
49
25
+24
8
11
1.69
0.862
62.1
+7
Ron Greenwood
1977-1982
55
33
12
10
93
40
+53
10
28
1.691
0.727
70.9
+23
Bobby Robson
1982-1990
95
47
30
18
154
60
+94
27
54
1.621
0.632
65.3
+29
Graham Taylor
1990-1993
38
18
13
7
62
32
+30
7
16
1.632
0.842
64.5
+11
Terry Venables
1994-1996
24
11
12
1
35
13
+22
7
15
1.458
0.542
70.8
+10
Glenn Hoddle
1996-1999
28
17
6
5
42
13
+29
7
19
1.50
0.464
71.4
+12
Howard Wilkinson
1999, 2000
2
0
1
1
0
2
-2
2
1
0.00
1.00
25.0
-1
Kevin Keegan
1999-2000
18
7
7
4
26
15
+11
5
7
1.444
0.833
58.3
+3
Peter Taylor
2000-2001
1
0
0
1
0
1
-1
1
0
0.00
1.00
00.0
-1
Sven-Göran Eriksson
2001-2006
67
40
17
10
128
61
+67
8
26
1.91
0.91
72.3
+30
Steve McClaren
2006-2007
18
9
4
5
32
12
+20
4
11
1.778
0.667
61.1
+4
Fabio Capello
2008-2011
42
28
8
6
89
35
+54
6
16
2.119
0.833
76.2
+22​
Stuart Pearce
2012
1​
0​
0​
1​
2
3
-1​
0
0
2.00​
3.00​
00.0​
-1​
Roy Hodgson
2012-2016
56
33
15
8
109
44
+65
9
27
1.946
0.786
72.3
+25
Sam Allardyce
2016
1​
1​
0​
0​
1
0
+1​
0
1
1.00​
0.00​
100​
+1​
Gareth Southgate
2016-2024
93
57
21
15
202
65
+137
18
50
2.172
0.699
72.6
+42
Total wins is not meaningful without accounting for games played, either ppg or win %. You could argue even those don't matter in knockout competitions, and that loss % is the only stat that matters. His record is roughly on par with previous managers of the last 30 years.
 

InspiRED

Full Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Messages
1,607
Supports
Outraged snowflakes
Statically Gareth Southgate is the second most successful England manager in history in terms of wins.

He'll never get the credit that he deserves, though.

He could win the European Championships, World Cup, European Championships and World Cup, back-to-back and there are some people who would say "England won those four tournaments in spite of Gareth Southgate, not because of him."

Maybe it's it's personality. Perhaps if he was a "cheeky chappy" like Venables or Keegan he might receive more kudos.

A big part of me thinks it's political. We all know that Gareth Southgate leans to the left. He believes in fighting political, racial and social injustices... and the majority of England usually votes Conservative.

Before anyone ridicules the suggestion. It wasn't that long ago that England fans were booing the England team for taking the knee.

It wasn't that long ago that Southgate was being lambasted by a certain section of England fans because he was "woke"? (People who weaponise that word are racists)

The dislike towards Gareth Southgate simply cannot be football related. Look at his stats. It's second only to Alf Ramsey.

It can't be football related, unless England fans are truly stupid and they want Southgate to unleash the "attacking talent" that England have and go with a 2-2-6 system.

"Ridicule is the tribute given to the genius from the mediocrities" ~ Oscar Wilde

Coach/Manager
Term
P
W
D
L
F
A
GD
FTS
CS
FAv
AAv
Pts%​
W/L​
F.A. Selection
1872-1887
31
14
5
12
97
61
+36
4
8
3.129
1.968
53.2
+2
International Select Committee
1888-1939​
195
124
32
39
577
232
+345
16
60
2.959
1.19
71.8
+85
Walter Winterbottom (ISC)
1946-1963
139
78
33
28
383
196
+187
17
34
2.755
1.41
68.0
+50
Alf Ramsey
1963-1974
113
69
27
17
224
98
+126
19
49
1.982
0.867
73.0
+52
Joe Mercer
1974
7
3
3
1
9
7
+2
1
3
1.286
1.00
64.3
+2
Don Revie
1974-1977
29
14
8
7
49
25
+24
8
11
1.69
0.862
62.1
+7
Ron Greenwood
1977-1982
55
33
12
10
93
40
+53
10
28
1.691
0.727
70.9
+23
Bobby Robson
1982-1990
95
47
30
18
154
60
+94
27
54
1.621
0.632
65.3
+29
Graham Taylor
1990-1993
38
18
13
7
62
32
+30
7
16
1.632
0.842
64.5
+11
Terry Venables
1994-1996
24
11
12
1
35
13
+22
7
15
1.458
0.542
70.8
+10
Glenn Hoddle
1996-1999
28
17
6
5
42
13
+29
7
19
1.50
0.464
71.4
+12
Howard Wilkinson
1999, 2000
2
0
1
1
0
2
-2
2
1
0.00
1.00
25.0
-1
Kevin Keegan
1999-2000
18
7
7
4
26
15
+11
5
7
1.444
0.833
58.3
+3
Peter Taylor
2000-2001
1
0
0
1
0
1
-1
1
0
0.00
1.00
00.0
-1
Sven-Göran Eriksson
2001-2006
67
40
17
10
128
61
+67
8
26
1.91
0.91
72.3
+30
Steve McClaren
2006-2007
18
9
4
5
32
12
+20
4
11
1.778
0.667
61.1
+4
Fabio Capello
2008-2011
42
28
8
6
89
35
+54
6
16
2.119
0.833
76.2
+22​
Stuart Pearce
2012
1​
0​
0​
1​
2
3
-1​
0
0
2.00​
3.00​
00.0​
-1​
Roy Hodgson
2012-2016
56
33
15
8
109
44
+65
9
27
1.946
0.786
72.3
+25
Sam Allardyce
2016
1​
1​
0​
0​
1
0
+1​
0
1
1.00​
0.00​
100​
+1​
Gareth Southgate
2016-2024
93
57
21
15
202
65
+137
18
50
2.172
0.699
72.6
+42
It’s not the post that this thread deserved, and nor is it the post this thread needed. Thank you The Batman!
 

Grande

Full Member
Joined
Jun 22, 2007
Messages
6,316
Location
The Land of Do-What-You-Will
I’m not English and neither am I young, but if there is one thing that has never changed looking from the outside in, it’s that there is nowhere such a consistent mass psychosis against any national coach as there is in England. Funnily, whereas Southgate gets slated as ‘proven his level’ in club football, England has had an unusual amount of NT coaches who had ‘proven their level’ with club success (Revie, Robson, Taylor, Venables, Keegan, Eriksson, Capello) compared to most other NTs. Some of the exceptions to this rule did better than their more renowned counterparts (Greenwood, Hoddle), not surprising given that everyone with a little knowledge knows that coaching a NT and managing a club team are two entirely different propositions, and success at one level is a fairly weak predictor of success on the other.

What has always been consistent, looking from the outside, are the narratives. It has always been ‘a useless/found-out/has-been/vegetable’ coach ‘underachieving criminally’ with ‘some of the worlds best players’ sprinkled in with one or two ‘traitors to the flag’.
 

Fortitude

TV/Monitor Expert
Scout
Joined
Jul 10, 2004
Messages
22,820
Location
Inside right
Statically Gareth Southgate is the second most successful England manager in history in terms of wins.

He'll never get the credit that he deserves, though.

He could win the European Championships, World Cup, European Championships and World Cup, back-to-back and there are some people who would say "England won those four tournaments in spite of Gareth Southgate, not because of him."

Maybe it's it's personality. Perhaps if he was a "cheeky chappy" like Venables or Keegan he might receive more kudos.

A big part of me thinks it's political. We all know that Gareth Southgate leans to the left. He believes in fighting political, racial and social injustices... and the majority of England usually votes Conservative.

Before anyone ridicules the suggestion. It wasn't that long ago that England fans were booing the England team for taking the knee.

It wasn't that long ago that Southgate was being lambasted by a certain section of England fans because he was "woke"? (People who weaponise that word are racists)

The dislike towards Gareth Southgate simply cannot be football related. Look at his stats. It's second only to Alf Ramsey.

It can't be football related, unless England fans are truly stupid and they want Southgate to unleash the "attacking talent" that England have and go with a 2-2-6 system.

"Ridicule is the tribute given to the genius from the mediocrities" ~ Oscar Wilde

Coach/Manager
Term
P
W
D
L
F
A
GD
FTS
CS
FAv
AAv
Pts%​
W/L​
F.A. Selection
1872-1887
31
14
5
12
97
61
+36
4
8
3.129
1.968
53.2
+2
International Select Committee
1888-1939​
195
124
32
39
577
232
+345
16
60
2.959
1.19
71.8
+85
Walter Winterbottom (ISC)
1946-1963
139
78
33
28
383
196
+187
17
34
2.755
1.41
68.0
+50
Alf Ramsey
1963-1974
113
69
27
17
224
98
+126
19
49
1.982
0.867
73.0
+52
Joe Mercer
1974
7
3
3
1
9
7
+2
1
3
1.286
1.00
64.3
+2
Don Revie
1974-1977
29
14
8
7
49
25
+24
8
11
1.69
0.862
62.1
+7
Ron Greenwood
1977-1982
55
33
12
10
93
40
+53
10
28
1.691
0.727
70.9
+23
Bobby Robson
1982-1990
95
47
30
18
154
60
+94
27
54
1.621
0.632
65.3
+29
Graham Taylor
1990-1993
38
18
13
7
62
32
+30
7
16
1.632
0.842
64.5
+11
Terry Venables
1994-1996
24
11
12
1
35
13
+22
7
15
1.458
0.542
70.8
+10
Glenn Hoddle
1996-1999
28
17
6
5
42
13
+29
7
19
1.50
0.464
71.4
+12
Howard Wilkinson
1999, 2000
2
0
1
1
0
2
-2
2
1
0.00
1.00
25.0
-1
Kevin Keegan
1999-2000
18
7
7
4
26
15
+11
5
7
1.444
0.833
58.3
+3
Peter Taylor
2000-2001
1
0
0
1
0
1
-1
1
0
0.00
1.00
00.0
-1
Sven-Göran Eriksson
2001-2006
67
40
17
10
128
61
+67
8
26
1.91
0.91
72.3
+30
Steve McClaren
2006-2007
18
9
4
5
32
12
+20
4
11
1.778
0.667
61.1
+4
Fabio Capello
2008-2011
42
28
8
6
89
35
+54
6
16
2.119
0.833
76.2
+22​
Stuart Pearce
2012
1​
0​
0​
1​
2
3
-1​
0
0
2.00​
3.00​
00.0​
-1​
Roy Hodgson
2012-2016
56
33
15
8
109
44
+65
9
27
1.946
0.786
72.3
+25
Sam Allardyce
2016
1​
1​
0​
0​
1
0
+1​
0
1
1.00​
0.00​
100​
+1​
Gareth Southgate
2016-2024
93
57
21
15
202
65
+137
18
50
2.172
0.699
72.6
+42
You've quoted and bolded Oscar Wilde for the chef's kiss?
 

giorno

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Messages
26,610
Supports
Real Madrid
Southgate's been performing to par based on the talent level at his disposal and the opponents faced. The notable thing is he's done so consistently through 3 tournaments, which is not at all a common occurrence. He's getting tournament #4, this is probably going to be it if they don't win. Possibly even if they do win
 

croadyman

Full Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2018
Messages
34,730
We have no defence, which will severely hamper our chances of winning anything. Our (starting) midfield is quality with Mainoo now added, back up options less so. Forward options, however, are really good.
Yeah these last two games may have only been friendlies but certainly shows up our deficiencies
 

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Messages
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Southgate's been performing to par based on the talent level at his disposal and the opponents faced. The notable thing is he's done so consistently through 3 tournaments, which is not at all a common occurrence. He's getting tournament #4, this is probably going to be it if they don't win. Possibly even if they do win
I dunno about par, his record against top 10 opposition given the talent he has is terrible. He has had unbelievably kind draws in tournaments and has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. His approach to ET against Italy was pretty pathetic the game was England's if they made subs and went fir it.
 

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Statically Gareth Southgate is the second most successful England manager in history in terms of wins.

He'll never get the credit that he deserves, though.

He could win the European Championships, World Cup, European Championships and World Cup, back-to-back and there are some people who would say "England won those four tournaments in spite of Gareth Southgate, not because of him."

Maybe it's it's personality. Perhaps if he was a "cheeky chappy" like Venables or Keegan he might receive more kudos.

A big part of me thinks it's political. We all know that Gareth Southgate leans to the left. He believes in fighting political, racial and social injustices... and the majority of England usually votes Conservative.

Before anyone ridicules the suggestion. It wasn't that long ago that England fans were booing the England team for taking the knee.

It wasn't that long ago that Southgate was being lambasted by a certain section of England fans because he was "woke"? (People who weaponise that word are racists)

The dislike towards Gareth Southgate simply cannot be football related. Look at his stats. It's second only to Alf Ramsey.

It can't be football related, unless England fans are truly stupid and they want Southgate to unleash the "attacking talent" that England have and go with a 2-2-6 system.

"Ridicule is the tribute given to the genius from the mediocrities" ~ Oscar Wilde

Coach/Manager
Term
P
W
D
L
F
A
GD
FTS
CS
FAv
AAv
Pts%​
W/L​
F.A. Selection
1872-1887
31
14
5
12
97
61
+36
4
8
3.129
1.968
53.2
+2
International Select Committee
1888-1939​
195
124
32
39
577
232
+345
16
60
2.959
1.19
71.8
+85
Walter Winterbottom (ISC)
1946-1963
139
78
33
28
383
196
+187
17
34
2.755
1.41
68.0
+50
Alf Ramsey
1963-1974
113
69
27
17
224
98
+126
19
49
1.982
0.867
73.0
+52
Joe Mercer
1974
7
3
3
1
9
7
+2
1
3
1.286
1.00
64.3
+2
Don Revie
1974-1977
29
14
8
7
49
25
+24
8
11
1.69
0.862
62.1
+7
Ron Greenwood
1977-1982
55
33
12
10
93
40
+53
10
28
1.691
0.727
70.9
+23
Bobby Robson
1982-1990
95
47
30
18
154
60
+94
27
54
1.621
0.632
65.3
+29
Graham Taylor
1990-1993
38
18
13
7
62
32
+30
7
16
1.632
0.842
64.5
+11
Terry Venables
1994-1996
24
11
12
1
35
13
+22
7
15
1.458
0.542
70.8
+10
Glenn Hoddle
1996-1999
28
17
6
5
42
13
+29
7
19
1.50
0.464
71.4
+12
Howard Wilkinson
1999, 2000
2
0
1
1
0
2
-2
2
1
0.00
1.00
25.0
-1
Kevin Keegan
1999-2000
18
7
7
4
26
15
+11
5
7
1.444
0.833
58.3
+3
Peter Taylor
2000-2001
1
0
0
1
0
1
-1
1
0
0.00
1.00
00.0
-1
Sven-Göran Eriksson
2001-2006
67
40
17
10
128
61
+67
8
26
1.91
0.91
72.3
+30
Steve McClaren
2006-2007
18
9
4
5
32
12
+20
4
11
1.778
0.667
61.1
+4
Fabio Capello
2008-2011
42
28
8
6
89
35
+54
6
16
2.119
0.833
76.2
+22​
Stuart Pearce
2012
1​
0​
0​
1​
2
3
-1​
0
0
2.00​
3.00​
00.0​
-1​
Roy Hodgson
2012-2016
56
33
15
8
109
44
+65
9
27
1.946
0.786
72.3
+25
Sam Allardyce
2016
1​
1​
0​
0​
1
0
+1​
0
1
1.00​
0.00​
100​
+1​
Gareth Southgate
2016-2024
93
57
21
15
202
65
+137
18
50
2.172
0.699
72.6
+42
Next level!
 

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It's not about the football for me, I just don't want a woke, Marxist-Leninist Trotskyite like Gareth Southgate anywhere near the United job.
 

dinostar77

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Statically Gareth Southgate is the second most successful England manager in history in terms of wins.

He'll never get the credit that he deserves, though.

He could win the European Championships, World Cup, European Championships and World Cup, back-to-back and there are some people who would say "England won those four tournaments in spite of Gareth Southgate, not because of him."

Maybe it's it's personality. Perhaps if he was a "cheeky chappy" like Venables or Keegan he might receive more kudos.

A big part of me thinks it's political. We all know that Gareth Southgate leans to the left. He believes in fighting political, racial and social injustices... and the majority of England usually votes Conservative.

Before anyone ridicules the suggestion. It wasn't that long ago that England fans were booing the England team for taking the knee.

It wasn't that long ago that Southgate was being lambasted by a certain section of England fans because he was "woke"? (People who weaponise that word are racists)

The dislike towards Gareth Southgate simply cannot be football related. Look at his stats. It's second only to Alf Ramsey.

It can't be football related, unless England fans are truly stupid and they want Southgate to unleash the "attacking talent" that England have and go with a 2-2-6 system.

"Ridicule is the tribute given to the genius from the mediocrities" ~ Oscar Wilde

Coach/Manager
Term
P
W
D
L
F
A
GD
FTS
CS
FAv
AAv
Pts%​
W/L​
F.A. Selection
1872-1887
31
14
5
12
97
61
+36
4
8
3.129
1.968
53.2
+2
International Select Committee
1888-1939​
195
124
32
39
577
232
+345
16
60
2.959
1.19
71.8
+85
Walter Winterbottom (ISC)
1946-1963
139
78
33
28
383
196
+187
17
34
2.755
1.41
68.0
+50
Alf Ramsey
1963-1974
113
69
27
17
224
98
+126
19
49
1.982
0.867
73.0
+52
Joe Mercer
1974
7
3
3
1
9
7
+2
1
3
1.286
1.00
64.3
+2
Don Revie
1974-1977
29
14
8
7
49
25
+24
8
11
1.69
0.862
62.1
+7
Ron Greenwood
1977-1982
55
33
12
10
93
40
+53
10
28
1.691
0.727
70.9
+23
Bobby Robson
1982-1990
95
47
30
18
154
60
+94
27
54
1.621
0.632
65.3
+29
Graham Taylor
1990-1993
38
18
13
7
62
32
+30
7
16
1.632
0.842
64.5
+11
Terry Venables
1994-1996
24
11
12
1
35
13
+22
7
15
1.458
0.542
70.8
+10
Glenn Hoddle
1996-1999
28
17
6
5
42
13
+29
7
19
1.50
0.464
71.4
+12
Howard Wilkinson
1999, 2000
2
0
1
1
0
2
-2
2
1
0.00
1.00
25.0
-1
Kevin Keegan
1999-2000
18
7
7
4
26
15
+11
5
7
1.444
0.833
58.3
+3
Peter Taylor
2000-2001
1
0
0
1
0
1
-1
1
0
0.00
1.00
00.0
-1
Sven-Göran Eriksson
2001-2006
67
40
17
10
128
61
+67
8
26
1.91
0.91
72.3
+30
Steve McClaren
2006-2007
18
9
4
5
32
12
+20
4
11
1.778
0.667
61.1
+4
Fabio Capello
2008-2011
42
28
8
6
89
35
+54
6
16
2.119
0.833
76.2
+22​
Stuart Pearce
2012
1​
0​
0​
1​
2
3
-1​
0
0
2.00​
3.00​
00.0​
-1​
Roy Hodgson
2012-2016
56
33
15
8
109
44
+65
9
27
1.946
0.786
72.3
+25
Sam Allardyce
2016
1​
1​
0​
0​
1
0
+1​
0
1
1.00​
0.00​
100​
+1​
Gareth Southgate
2016-2024
93
57
21
15
202
65
+137
18
50
2.172
0.699
72.6
+42
:lol:
 

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Love your take!

I get why people point to Southgate's statistics but it really is widely skewed by the immense wealth of talent throughout the squad.

Take for instance Harry Kane. He came up in 2015 and since scored 62 goals, 2 golden boots, single handedly got England through 2 qualifications as most productive player, heads a few other stats in those races. Take him out and Southgate wins and goals for plummet by 25%.

Just a look at the 2019 squad next to Harry. Chillwell, Alexander Arnold, Walker, Rose, trippier, Dier, Mings, Stones. And thats just the defence. Midfield: Rice, Barkley, Henderson, Maddison, Mount, Delph, Ward Prowse as midfield choice.

I watched the France game and it looked like a Lampard set up Chelsea. Good players doing things on their own. Out of form Foden on the left when in form Rahsford on the bench. Defensively it looked very shaky every time les bleu came forward. Individual quality driving England attacks.

It's a nice guy, good for PR but the England quality you have now is just criminal not putting a top coach with them.
We also tend to just not beat any good teams, we farm the weaker teams.
 

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He's England's Ole for all pros and cons.
Both relegated a team and somehow ended up at a way bigger job than they were qualified to get based on previous achievements. Both also did well enought with the talented squads they had to not be labeled a failure but a better manager could likely have done more with those squads.
 

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The English media have their priorities all wrong.

They crucify England for losing friendlies but run the "they've done the country proud" narrative when they bomb out of games that actually matter.
 

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Read batman's post.
They’re suggesting it’s good he’s woke, can you tell me why it’s bad?

Also can you explain why he is the things you listed in your post? Batman doesn’t cover that.
 
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They’re suggesting it’s good he’s woke, can you tell me why it’s bad?
I think it’s just poking fun at the utter nonsense of bringing in Southgate’s supposed wokeness as a factor in how people evaluate him as a coach.
 

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Is TheBatman Southgate? That post is legendary. Completely ignores that the main ingredient of success is the squad at their disposal. Southgate has been carried by a massively talented squad, alongside a few great players, some nice tournament draws, and finally with the fact there’s not a huge amount of good teams in world football right now.
 

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Both relegated a team and somehow ended up at a way bigger job than they were qualified to get based on previous achievements. Both also did well enought with the talented squads they had to not be labeled a failure but a better manager could likely have done more with those squads.
Name one game Southgate played against a superior team that he won? Ole did that plenty of times