Bear in mind that he would have been free this summer. He is definitely the biggest waste of money out of any of the ETH signings.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager / awaiting clarity from the club over his position
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Antony way out ahead. Casemiro for me second unless Saudi bail us out.
We've been somewhat unlucky with the Mount injuries to not really get any use from him.
Too impatient because fans were satisfied with the last one - makes zero sense. Any top club with respectable ambitions would have sacked ETH months ago. Probably after the CL humiliation.
As for thinking the tactical changes havent been decisive in turning the team into an insipid, joyless bunch of habitual losers...
Oh, wait, let me guess, it's actually all purely because of injuries?Of course it's not impatient, you can justify keeping a manager when results are as bad as they have been when you can point to improvements in the quality of football, you can't when the same poor results are actually better than the performances deserve. Two years is more than enough time to have impacted that. I didn't want to get rid earlier in the season either, but an entire season of this is inexcusable unfortunately.
Spot on. In hindsight this is the type of signing that gets a manager sacked cuz that signing has meant we have had to rely on Casemiro as our only real DM and he has been either injured or out of form.
The only way the Mount signing can be justified is if he is an integral part of the first XI.
'so satisfied' ..... lets be clear here, people were satisfied because we were back on the right track. 3rd and a mickey mouse cup isn't some amazing season unless we're Brighton or something. A club with our resources should always be expected to finish top 4 minimum. Otherwise what do we pay him 10m a year for?
Wasted is not the same as overspent. This should not need to be explained to you.
Has Mctominay started in the last three games Casemiro has started? Yes or no?
Also worth pointing out me in the same previous post agreeing with a poster that he wouldn’t be first choice if everyone is fit…
And you don’t know that’s the first choice either. We haven’t seen what he does with Mount now available.
Ha. Like I said, spin it however you want.
Casemiro has been injured and not fully match fit for the last two. What sort of reasoning is this?
It's not a spin. This is simple English.
Ah adding the cheap punts in now to beef the numbers up are we.
It was originally just free transfers and loans.
Are you alright in the head mate?
Been discussed at length you can find what I've said in the thread.Ah adding the cheap punts in now to beef the numbers up are we.
It was originally just free transfers and loans.
How can you say Mount was a good buy when he's barely even played? You could say he has the potential to be good, but considering he's been bought purposely to play ETH's system of two 8's - which he has routinely failed to implement successfully - even his potential to be a good buy is in doubt. This is not even considering the implications of not being able to sign more important positions due to his purchase.
Because my point about Mount isn't limited to what I think hel do this season.
Paying 80M fee and 10M/year salary for a player you could have had for 50 M fee and 7M/year salary is overspending. It’s also wasting 30M on fees and 3M/year on wages.
Where is the 3m on wages extra coming from?
I know I literally just quoted your original post that I replied to.
All I was pointing out was that most of his signings haven't been frees and loans.
The hypothetical example in the post you quoted… 10 M vs 7 M….
If we were to consider Mount, I believe he is earning 13M/year(250k/week)… if we could have had him or an equivalent player for 10M/year, then we are de facto wasting 3M/year that could have been used elsewhere.
If we keep him until his contract expires, do we let him choose the players or do we sign players to fit a style of play SJR and his staff want?
Correct. So say what is a waste, and not use the entire transfer fee to get to the £400m mark and peddle a stupid narrative. It's something @Leftback99 is constantly guilty of. Glad he outed himself with the Mount example.
The premise of my point is Mount and Hojlund both have value and both were over spends (not complete wastes of a transfer).
Does anyone have a source on “Ten Hag doesn’t decide fees”???
My understanding is that the board gives a budget to Ten Hag and the scouting team / Murtaugh. Once both the scouts/Ten Hag agree on the player, Murtaugh then begins the acquisition process. I believe Ten Hag has some accountability for blowing his budget on bad buys. If Murtaugh comes back to him and says, “They want 85m, you sure you want to pay that much for Antony? This will impact our pursuit of other positions to fill.” Ten Hag must have the veto there as well.
The sources are everywhere. I suggest you read the Athletic deep dive into the Murtough summer where it was documented how Murtough had a ceiling of 42m for Mount and walked out with 55+5. He knew Hojlund was told he can go for 52m or so, and walked out paying 75+m.
It also confirmed checks and balances for the Antony fee were all made above the manager.
Im in full agreement that Ten Hag isn't blameless, but prime blame for money spent goes to those above him.
I think they should open up the Sack ETH poll again. It would be interesting to see if the needle has moved again.
I read the article awhile back. I remember feeling like all were to blame.
I think though, if we had to do it again, we wouldn’t buy Antony at any price, Mount at any price, Malacia at any price, Lisandro is a question mark… he is injured so often, Onana we overpaid, Casemiro I have a soft spot for.
It’s not just the money, you could argue they aren’t the right players to begin with….
No they decide on a list of players per position and work down the list depending on availability/budget.
I believe that’s how it works. Multiple people have vetos I believe also.
Keep digging. You're just showing yourself up now (as usual)
Doubt it the Ten Hag in posters have got to be the most deluded people on the planet. I honestly put them on the same pedestal as Trump supporters.
They will not admit they were wrong and just bury their heads in the sand making excuse after excuse for his failures
I wouldn't let him sign the players because none of his signings have yet convinced and in fairness he didn't have that responsibility at Ajax but was given it here for some reason. I honestly don't know what we do this summer.
Presumably they will have a style of play they want in mind and will recruit players and potentially a manager to fit that but who is determined that style of play and the recruits to fit? It can't be Ashworth so is it Ratcliffe and Brailsford? That's not a good situation.
Takes some audacity to spew something so severely unhinged and call others deluded. Go learn some football before you talk down to anyone.
No request for this after the Liverpool win interestingly.
Now that we are getting some very competent football people in senior roles above ETH, I do wonder what their weekly conversations are?
“Hi Erik, just wondering why you’ve played without a midfield all season?”
Surely they must be challenging him on his ideologies or are they just sat back and waiting for him to tie his own noose?
“Hi Erik, just wondering why you’ve played without a midfield all season?”
Surely they must be challenging him on his ideologies or are they just sat back and waiting for him to tie his own noose?
Says the man who tried to write off the entirety of Mounts fee as a waste whilst saying he's also able to be of value to the next manager. Good work, really.
out of intrest, what are Trump supporters deluded about?
please PM so we avoid off topic in this thread
I certainly agree there, the targets were weird (though I still like the Mount signing).
I'd have preferred to see us just revolutionise our defence and work upwards. Consistency is built from the back.
A reminder of the post that you believe says I'm writing off the ENTIRETY of Mount's fee.
Again making statements up in your head for the umpteenth time.
With the audacity to lecture me on the English language (and get promptly put back in your place)