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No disagreement here.
Targeting foreign aid workers delivering desperately needed food to children dying of hunger. I can only imagine the aim was to have such organizations suspend their activities in Gaza, so they can further starve the population. And it worked. Surely other similar organizations will also consider the safety of their staff now, and the individual aid workers will do the same.
It's so fecking disgusting. What a vile nation.
It's so fecking disgusting. What a vile nation.
Interesting reading the comments on r/Israel, and the article on Times of Israel re the WCK slaughter. Pretty unanimous that this is a disaster for Israel and symptomatic of a shockingly run operation by the IDF. Not even ardent Zionists can really explain this one away without bending serious facts (expect to read a lot of "War is chaotic", "mistakes happen in war", "Hamas are to blame for starting this" as key talking points from the Israeli government and therefore from general Israel supporters).
Israel has carte blanche to do basically what it wants, with the US, Germany, UK their main enablers and suppliers of endless weapons. But even with this, they are STILL doing their best to completely undermine their position for a generation. It's actually insane.
Netanyahu is cooked whenever this is finished. I expect him to escape to Trump's America at the earliest opportunity (Jan 2025?).
Israel has carte blanche to do basically what it wants, with the US, Germany, UK their main enablers and suppliers of endless weapons. But even with this, they are STILL doing their best to completely undermine their position for a generation. It's actually insane.
Netanyahu is cooked whenever this is finished. I expect him to escape to Trump's America at the earliest opportunity (Jan 2025?).
Yes, yes it was. Yes, it did.
Well, the US just passed a bill to defund UNRWA and make any donation illegal until at least 2025 amidst a famine, whilst providing further billions in military aid to Israel (that includes the infamous 2,000 pound bombs). Where does it rank?
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It's not. They have a very clear plan.
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I'm no fan of what the U.S. are doing either. In some ways they are just as culpable. They are not the ones dropping the bombs or choosing the targets, but should obviously have stopped the aid long before we got to this point, and not provided so much diplomatic cover.
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A lot of these IOF monsters are dual nationals who will simply return back to their Western nations with not a whimper of objection from those countries' governments and simply carry on as usual. To them its nothing more than an exciting safari hunting trip where they fly off from their middle class enclaves in Europe, North America and Australia, kill a few Palestinian 'animals' and some aid workers, and come home with their own tales to share with not an ounce of shame or regret. These are the same folks who will claim to feel unsafe when returning home because some students or even an organisation like Jewish Voices for peace start waving Palestinian flags and demanding an end to the violence and occupation.
So what are the latest mental gymnastics to explain this latest abhorrent act?
What a complete cnut. It takes a lot to hate someone you’ve never met (or will) but he‘s a clear exception.
BBC… Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu says the convoy they were in was hit unintentionally. "It happens in war... and we will do everything so that this thing does not happen again," he says
Detest our Govt (and pretty much all UK politicians - there are a few exceptions) and loads of other Govts for their pathetic words and lack of action throughout this. They could stop this almost overnight with a combined/joint stance… choosing not to and supporting it (weapons, funds) is just one step behInd actually doing it for me. W@nkers the lot of them.
Makes me so angry… can’t see any way I’d vote for any of them. Ive never abstained before but probably will at next GE.
BBC… Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu says the convoy they were in was hit unintentionally. "It happens in war... and we will do everything so that this thing does not happen again," he says
Detest our Govt (and pretty much all UK politicians - there are a few exceptions) and loads of other Govts for their pathetic words and lack of action throughout this. They could stop this almost overnight with a combined/joint stance… choosing not to and supporting it (weapons, funds) is just one step behInd actually doing it for me. W@nkers the lot of them.
Makes me so angry… can’t see any way I’d vote for any of them. Ive never abstained before but probably will at next GE.
As @That_Bloke said, this is pretty much what they wanted. The carnage and haphazardness doesnt matter because they don’t care who gets killed… fish in a barrel for them.
And in terms of being a PR disaster, I don’t think it is (to them). They’ve done loads of disgusting things on a par with this and either outright denied it OR just shrugged.
They don’t care. At all.
The Israeli PR strategy is essentially to mimic the Tory one. Keep stacking up the PR disasters to the point its impossible to keep track of all of them, and eventually most of them are forgotten. All the while honing in on your own righteous soundbites - 'Get Brexit done' vs 'Destroy Hamas/Bringing the hostages home'.
Western politicians are actually outraged this time as it's their own nationals that have died. Apparently it's fine to starve or bomb gaza kids for months but how dare you target a western civilian.
I don’t think Israel needs lesson from anyone. They’re repeat
The (then) PMs words when David Haines was murdered by Isis. Change just five words and it’s 100% accurate… but the UK Govt response is (pathetically) different this time. I get there’s a deliberateness argument here (maybe) but we could still verbally trounce Israel.
“And now David has been murdered in the most callous and brutal way imaginable by an organisation which is the embodiment of evil.
We will hunt down those responsible and bring them to justice, no matter how long it takes.
David Haines was an aid worker. He went into harm’s way not to harm people, but to help his fellow human beings in the hour of their direst need – from the Balkans to the Middle East.”
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-reaction-to-murder-of-aid-worker-david-haines
@That_Bloke , @ScholesyTheWise, @Bert_ You keep saying that Israel will pay the price. In what way?
First of all Israel doesn't care even if it is a pariah state as long as they occupy the rest of palestine
My question is what do you think what will happen to Israel when palestine doesn't exist no more? Do you think that the private companies and governments will stop doing business with a country where they already invested billions? Do you think they care of your opinion or the opinion of any average Joe? They want to have their country and make money and for that they don't need anyone of you. They need to do business with the arabian countries which the governments (not their people) are yearning for the palestinian nuance to disappear to start making business and the western countries they have its own people settling israel and it will be good business to get on well with the most advance country in the region
Israel will have its country and in a short time will normalize relationships with the most important countries. whatever their population thinks about them they could not care less. And in 100 years, if humanity survives, will be another settler country, like Canada than after a bit more than 150 years of existence, they do very nice pledges of acknowledgment and thanks the first nations to let them live (like they have any choice) in their land. All very lovely
First of all Israel doesn't care even if it is a pariah state as long as they occupy the rest of palestine
My question is what do you think what will happen to Israel when palestine doesn't exist no more? Do you think that the private companies and governments will stop doing business with a country where they already invested billions? Do you think they care of your opinion or the opinion of any average Joe? They want to have their country and make money and for that they don't need anyone of you. They need to do business with the arabian countries which the governments (not their people) are yearning for the palestinian nuance to disappear to start making business and the western countries they have its own people settling israel and it will be good business to get on well with the most advance country in the region
Israel will have its country and in a short time will normalize relationships with the most important countries. whatever their population thinks about them they could not care less. And in 100 years, if humanity survives, will be another settler country, like Canada than after a bit more than 150 years of existence, they do very nice pledges of acknowledgment and thanks the first nations to let them live (like they have any choice) in their land. All very lovely
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"IDF bombed WCK aid convoy 3 times, targeting armed Hamas member who wasn't there"
A headline from Haaretz, the bolded bit sums up their genocidal campaign.
A headline from Haaretz, the bolded bit sums up their genocidal campaign.
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If you ever wonder how agenda and propaganda works? here listen to the military expert.
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Mission accomplished. It was very easy, kill the workers intentionally, come out and lie about it. Job done.
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We had posters here adamant that the hospital was a Hamas base quoting these very evidences.
I think there is actually a Israeli 'play book' that has all these arguments written down ready for the apologist to use
It's happened before:
https://jacobin.com/2024/03/rachel-corrie-death-anniversary-rafah-gaza-idf
IDF and American soldiers celebrate her death:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General...rial-Pancake-Breakfast/5-2535660/?page=1/1000
ps- pretty sure there used to be a guardian article about IDF pancake day which google no longer shows, could only find the reddit link. And google did show me this page of Americans celebrating her death, which I didn't know about before.
e - they've of course targeted and killed Palestinian-Americans, but Rachel Corrie, being white with no colour in her name or skin, could have been a different case.
I think the media's passive voice headlines, selective coverage, and of course, the political class, have done their job overall:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article286996080.html
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He will probably continue the war after he gets elected in the same manner than Biden. But is funny that the guy that would be worse than Biden said something more sensible than Biden
For all the wrong reasons but yeah better than nothing I guess... Not that his word is worth anything.
The funny thing is Trump is a lot more popular than Biden in Israel as he's seen as the guy who'll let Israel do whatever it wants.
Yeah. Biden is hugely disliked around here.
so many people seem to think that Israel can do without its allies... what the heck.
stupid people, stupid countries, very very sad times.
Just when you think it can't get any more nasty, another "mistake", another horror video... like they're trying to outdo themselves.
Well, Kushner is eyeing that "valuable waterfront property" in Gaza...
Have to (very sadly) agree with this.
As for the bolded, it's a crazy mindset. Does Israeli society really believe that?
But thats the thing. Everybody that says that trump would be worse, is without any prove. 1st I don't see how it can be worse and 2nd, trump is so unpredictable that just for his ego might want to be the one that stops it....And he will get the nobel price
