This is kind of irrelevant to me in the context where Yates gets juffed in the gut. Slugging a player and then saying he should get sent off too because he complained is bit off.
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Ah here. I thought he did a Jonny Giles by the way everyone was banging on about it. That's the softest 'punch' I've ever seen
Would it help VAR if refs just stopped giving the 50/50 penalties that are on the edge? A bit like the Elliot one or Chelsea’s two.
Then it would be up to the VAR room. As it is now, then when ref gives a 50/50 one then VAR can only say “it’s not clear and obvious” so we wont change the decision.
if it was the other way, both VAR would have to only do clear penalties, making the line less soft + the ref would still be able to take a look at the screen to decide if the 50/50 is worth giving or not.
It’s quite simple and it would improve VAR a lot imo
Then it would be up to the VAR room. As it is now, then when ref gives a 50/50 one then VAR can only say “it’s not clear and obvious” so we wont change the decision.
if it was the other way, both VAR would have to only do clear penalties, making the line less soft + the ref would still be able to take a look at the screen to decide if the 50/50 is worth giving or not.
It’s quite simple and it would improve VAR a lot imo
Not giving a penalty is also a decision. If the referee had not given the AWB and Dalot ones then VAR would not have overturned that decision and given a penalty.
well if we say they think there’s enough to warrant a pen then they would? They’d call out the ref in edge cases so there’d still be two instances of refs to catch a penalty that might be there.
I think it’s more fair than to just give every dubious penalty
lets say they give the first pen for chelsea, then there’s less chance the second is given Id say, as the refs would think it would be a bit unfair to give 2 x 50/50 penalties in a game.
Really need to do something about the amount of tactical fouls being used to stop counter attacks all it takes is an early yellow.
If they let them slide can really change the flow of a game it’s such an effective tactic abused be so many. That was my biggest take from the Liverpool game there was some obvious challenges like this throughout the game which killed many very promising positions with zero recourse.
The AWB one is just daft from him unfortunately if you air ball a sliding tackle in the box you’re always gonna be under scrutiny, there was no way that wasn’t being given. Real time in the stadium it looked a foul 10/10 (even if it technically didn’t touch him) the problem with VAR is the whole is it a big enough error to deem it to be turned over.
How can you comprehend how serious a decision is with factors of league positions, survival, rivalry, time left on the clock nevermind on just a on field basis. it should be used wherever deemed necessary but it would kill the game.
Even with VAR the amount of incorrect small fouls or wrong throw ins/corners can still lead to a major error.
If they let them slide can really change the flow of a game it’s such an effective tactic abused be so many. That was my biggest take from the Liverpool game there was some obvious challenges like this throughout the game which killed many very promising positions with zero recourse.
The AWB one is just daft from him unfortunately if you air ball a sliding tackle in the box you’re always gonna be under scrutiny, there was no way that wasn’t being given. Real time in the stadium it looked a foul 10/10 (even if it technically didn’t touch him) the problem with VAR is the whole is it a big enough error to deem it to be turned over.
How can you comprehend how serious a decision is with factors of league positions, survival, rivalry, time left on the clock nevermind on just a on field basis. it should be used wherever deemed necessary but it would kill the game.
Even with VAR the amount of incorrect small fouls or wrong throw ins/corners can still lead to a major error.
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Well what choice do you have as a player, especially with English VAR, which is way too lenient? If you don´t exaggerate the contact, you´ll get nothing. He punched him, it should be a red card, whether it hurt or not.
I’d be amazed if we got three penalties in two games….let alone all three of the ones that have gone against us this week. It’s bizarre.
I'm not sure it's even a closed fist punch. You certainly can't be certain based on that footage. It's actually hilarious that the one and only time I've seen Gallagher imply that VAR fecked up it looks as though the decision was 100% correct!
The thing is, all 3 penalities looked nailed on penalites on first glance (Hell the most contentious one - Dalot's - is the one that looked the most stonewall!) - so we just got unlucky in that regard, as VAR would never overturn any of them in its current itteration.
If the ref hadn't given them on the pitch, I think the only one VAR might have given would have been AWB's.
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Yates is a nancy boy and Maddison punches like a girl.
Did you time travel from the early 2000's to post this?
Yeh was thinking the exact same thing. That’s never a red card, just get on with the bloody game. Nothing highlights the ineptitude of the officials more than talking points like this. They focus on this insignificant garbage while ignoring the glaring issues and poor decisions made every week.
We'd never get those...so many incidents this season that have been way worse than those given and they get brushed away. Compare the Dalot one to Gabriel wrapping up Hojlund and them not even considering it. The Cucarelo one has happened to Rashford on like 3 occassions and the refs just brush them off.
No I'm not sure it is a closed fist and there's now power behind it at all. I think the VAR got it right as it's all a bit inconclusive.
I've no idea what Gallagher's up to ever, apart from speaking out of both sides of his mouth. If you listen to it back he's still quite non-committal.
It's definitely not a red card, but on the Casmiero holding your collar spectrum, it's definitely a red card.
Or on the Martial poke on Son scale...I agree. To be fair, if I was in charge id probably let most players get away with MMA, its a cliche but top level football is so soft.
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Ahh so purposefully moving your leg into a player to create contact isn’t a foul in the champions league ?
Of course not
Yeah, same. Still waiting for a more damning angle of the incident.
Just heard tuchel complaining about a handball that the ref said he should have given.
I didn’t see the game can anyone explain?
I didn’t see the game can anyone explain?
If Elliot’s in a pen then so is that.
Problem is, neither should be
Problem is, neither should be
That's an absolute disgrace. He should never ref again.
Harsh, he can still ref kids games
Apologies they did address the Bayern non pen after the break.
Wtf was the ref thinking. The clearest and most obvious penalty I have ever seen. He picked the ball up when it was in play!!!! Unbelievable Jeff.
Wtf was the ref thinking. The clearest and most obvious penalty I have ever seen. He picked the ball up when it was in play!!!! Unbelievable Jeff.
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Quite obviously offside imo.
How certain?
If you look at the comments a line was drawn and it was quite obvious.
I saw the comments when I read the thread mate, that's not the point is it.