As someone who has been to both, Fenway Park's seats are worse than the old Stretford End ones!
New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford
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So people don't have to click on the clickbait - it's nothing to do with our proposed stadium, the same company that the Glazers appointed to look into it are doing another one in Morocco.
Thanks for this.
You can tell it was important as we got the branded mugs out.
Should just carbon copy Madrids but make it red. Beautiful stadium
Why would we ever want to copy something, we should be getting something unique
Well yeah I wasn’t totally serious. But id take a lot of inspiration from it
Well, Seb what was the outcome of the meeting? What issues were discussed? I know it's early days, but you have pledged to keep the fans informed.
YouTube video about RM redevelopment of the Bernabou and turning it into one of the most modern stadiums in the world with retractable roof and foldable pitch that can be stored in a grass house area beneath the surface.
That's a bit like one of the spoof OT rebuild options that went around a couple of years ago where they had general fan's bars on the roofs! That'd doubtless be outwith my pocket but if idiots want to fork out thousands for it and it doesn't impact other fans then fill your boots. Better fleecing the more money than sense/corporate lot than normal fans.
FYI (for the not so local fans)
local council are pushing forward with a regeneration of the whole area around old Trafford. A 15 year transformation apparently
See here
https://www.lda-design.co.uk/kindling/news/framework-for-a-new-old-trafford/
United own a large portion of this land
See here
https://www.skysports.com/amp/footb...ground-and-what-will-it-mean-for-old-trafford
I work in the soon to be heritage quarter and the business owns its land and property. Rumour has it a tidy profit will be made to relocate
Surely Utd will similarly see a significant sum for the land they own.
just thought to share because I’m sure people think new stadium and assume 1.5 billion debt added to the club but closer to home…I’m sure there will be plenty of dealings to drive down the cost. The ABUs of course won’t report this!!…instead it’ll all be saddled on the club
local council are pushing forward with a regeneration of the whole area around old Trafford. A 15 year transformation apparently
See here
https://www.lda-design.co.uk/kindling/news/framework-for-a-new-old-trafford/
United own a large portion of this land
See here
https://www.skysports.com/amp/footb...ground-and-what-will-it-mean-for-old-trafford
I work in the soon to be heritage quarter and the business owns its land and property. Rumour has it a tidy profit will be made to relocate
Surely Utd will similarly see a significant sum for the land they own.
just thought to share because I’m sure people think new stadium and assume 1.5 billion debt added to the club but closer to home…I’m sure there will be plenty of dealings to drive down the cost. The ABUs of course won’t report this!!…instead it’ll all be saddled on the club
Prices in Trafford Park have risen significantly in the last few years, I would imagine they'll go through the roof if/when this regeneration happens.
The unit I work in the company bought it for around £40 a square metre 12 years ago, they are selling up(sadly means I'll be made redundant)prices now are around £160ish a square metre.
The unit I work in the company bought it for around £40 a square metre 12 years ago, they are selling up(sadly means I'll be made redundant)prices now are around £160ish a square metre.
Can't see the club ever moving fromt he Old Trafford location. A new Stadium on the site would be one thing, somewhere entirely different and it would cause chaos with the fanbase.
The rising value of th eland would make it much easier to finance things though.
The rising value of th eland would make it much easier to finance things though.
Whilst I don't see them moving there's no reason not to if that's the best option, the club was born elsewhere and had no connection to Old Trafford at all when it moved there
There’ll be fecking murders if that happens and we’ve been at old Trafford for well over a hundred years if I’m correct.
I’m more on the side of redevelopment. Don’t want some soulless pile of bricks
You're doing God's work
New stadium or redevelopment are both fine by me.
What we need to also do is regenerate that entire area surrounding OT and make it into a proper footballing destination.
Make some money doing so too.
What we need to also do is regenerate that entire area surrounding OT and make it into a proper footballing destination.
Make some money doing so too.
Old Trafford was a soulless pile of bricks in 1910.
But it’s not now, it’s the home of Manchester United for over 100 years of history. Old Trafford is held in awe across the world.
I think we can rework the stadium the way many are redeveloping rather than building right now. It’s never the same once you go to a new one and there’s no second chance
Only 2 nights ago did I realise Barca are renovating Camp Nou as well. Obviously Real and Atletico Madrid already did it/Atletico got a new stadium. City, Arsenal, Tottenham, West Ham, Everton, Bayern earlier etc... Glazers really screwed us not doing anything about Old Trafford, it's been clear for a long time renovations are required.
Will be difficult. If we want to increase capacity, tread size, have bigger seats etc. We'll need far more space to redevelop, sadly OT is bound by the canal and railway line.
Doesn't the railway make it exceedingly challenging to renovate Old Trafford to a standard that would make the renovation financially feasible?
I know it’s been suggested before but why haven’t they built over the railway line and have it as an Old Trafford stop?
You could renovate the South Stand from the inside but you'd be restricted in terms of increasing its size by a significant amount.
The main thing you could do without leaving OT is reshape the North/SAF Stand to make it a two tier stand, essentially having a much bigger 2nd tier rather than having slightly smaller 2nd and 3rd tiers. That would probably mean having a season or two of playing with a reduced capacity whilst the redevelopment takes place.
The more I look at the size of the footprint of other top stadiums the more I think there is nowhere near enough room there, and building over the railway would add only a sliver. The only way is to take over the container yards and build there, which would mean finding another site for them. If we did they might be happy to move, it must be a pretty crap location for moving containers in and out by road. If not I say move, anything else and our ground would be second class, and we shouldn't settle for that.
It already is an Old Trafford stop and has been since the 1930s. And money. Huge sums of money.
Edit: Also, even if they do bridge over the tracks it doesn't buy enough space and will be about 5 yards away from a bunch of people's back gardens on Railway Street.
It's not used anymore, since 2018, the club had health and safety concerns due to, I'm guessing, the changes to the outside of the stadium and access to the railway halt, I used to use it in the 80's and even then there was a crush and overcrowding problem form time to time
I don't see how.
If you rework the stadium as it is for modern standards/comforts (which you're going to do because what's the point otherwise) then you lose capacity because we'd have to increase legroom as a bare minimum. that means all stands having something done to them. Not just legroom but you'd also want to completely rework the concourses which would then impact the turnstiles and the entrance stairways.
If you're gonna go to the trouble of touching all four stands then you might as well knock them down and rebuild.
But if you're gonna rebuild then you wouldn't do it in the same place due to the railway line so you'd be moving it away from there.
So no matter what you end up with new stands and a new ground, just depends if you still want to be bound by the current footprint or not. It wouldn't make sense to build it back in the exact same place so?
And we'll just create another 100+ years of history. The very fact that OT started as nothing and then gained all the history proves that a new ground can do the same thing. It's just how much of your particular life you'll see in the new ground creating the new memories. If you're of the older generations I can understand the hesitance because you won't see as much in the new ground as you would've done in the current one but if you're young then there's plenty of time to see United perform magic and make the new place special.
We need to move forward. We can't do that with the current ground as is.
Oh yeah, it hadn't been fit for purpose for a long time - I worked at the ground until 2015 and while it was still running then, it couldn't handle anywhere near the numbers of people required to make it useful.
And that Munich Tunnel area under the south stand is absolutely the worst place to be funneling even more people into before or after a game. It's a massive crush risk.
The rumours I’ve been reading is that they will be doing it a stand at a time and something about raising the height if the roof
Revamp Old Trafford
A stand at a time makes sense cause you still want to be playing there whilst it's built but it means you're stuck pretty much with the south stand as is which makes no sense as that's the main sticking point and always will be.
The only way you could do it right is by knocking down the SAF stand, bridging the canal and building further back then moving the pitch north. (Or better yet rotating it 90 degrees and moving north west).
Plus then you end up with the ship of Theseus argument as none of what would then be standing would be the 110 years of history.
Make it simpler - Triggers broom
As for the 110 year old history, there's only 1bit left from then anyway and that's part of the old tunnel
I've posted in this thread before about the footprint, comparing Wembley and Spur's grounds with OT, the links to Google maps using the same scale shows the vast difference between OT and the others
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