Are PSG a failed project?

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So the season before Messi comes PSG don't win the league and if they don't win the league the first season he leaves it'll show how much Messi carried them through the AM role. And it'll make Mbappe look a big failure.
A bit early for this kind of fan fiction.
 

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Another year, another embarrassing Champions League exit.

They are specialists in failure on the biggest stage and it's must see TV.
 

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Qatar tried to make the entire French league something with their investment. They got Neymar, Mbappe and Messi and still couldn't win.
 

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In fairness this is the first year where they seem to be actually trying to build a team and have jettisoned some of the bigger names, they have so much talent in that team I do wonder if next year will be their season with Mbappe gone and the ability to press a lot more from the front. Would be like the Kane curse but for PSG/Mbappe.
 

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Playing in ligue 1 damages them as the standard they face week in week out is to low?

That's the best explanation I can think of as to why they struggle in Europe.
 

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I think they were unlucky over the two legs.
They weren't outplayed, just couldn't finish.
 

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Playing in ligue 1 damages them as the standard they face week in week out is to low?

That's the best explanation I can think of as to why they struggle in Europe.
Conversely, Madrid are hardened by decades of competing with Barca and their bought refs….so it’s a doddle for them in Europe :D
 

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And the league even gave them the weekend off :drool:
 

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I wish we get embarrassed the way PSG is. That would be nice for a change
 

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They are what City would look like in a farmers league without Pep
 

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Playing in ligue 1 damages them as the standard they face week in week out is to low?

That's the best explanation I can think of as to why they struggle in Europe.
Marginally better xG than BVB in the first leg and crushed them 3.0 - 0,78 on xG in this one.

I don't like PSG at all, in fact I love to see them fail, but the obvious explanation after not scoring from hitting the post/bar 6(!) times in these 2 matches is bad luck.
 

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Marginally better xG than BVB in the first leg and crushed them 3.0 - 0,78 on xG in this one.

I don't like PSG at all, in fact I love to see them fail, but the obvious explanation after not scoring from hitting the post/bar 6(!) times in these 2 matches is bad luck.
Not when it happens 10+ years in a row one way or another.
 

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Yes. They can dominate the French league at will but will not be able to win the CL with this project.
 

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Marginally better xG than BVB in the first leg and crushed them 3.0 - 0,78 on xG in this one.

I don't like PSG at all, in fact I love to see them fail, but the obvious explanation after not scoring from hitting the post/bar 6(!) times in these 2 matches is bad luck.
They are the better team and had way better cances. That‘s what makes it even funnier.
 

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Not when it happens 10+ years in a row one way or another.
As for never managing to go to a CL final since Qatar bought them, you might explain it to some degree by lack of top competition in France.

But in these 2 matches I'll go mostly with luck.
3 or 4 of these bar/post hits were on the inside even. Fine, fine margins.
 

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As for never managing to go to a CL final since Qatar bought them, you might explain it to some degree by lack of top competition in France.

But in these 2 matches I'll go mostly with luck.
3 or 4 of these bar/post hits were on the inside even. Fine, fine margins.
They lost a final to Bayern with their academy product scoring on them.
 

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They lost a final to Bayern with their academy product scoring on them.
Ah..
Forgot about that final (the only final I haven't seen in some 35 years).
I'm more than willing to entertain organizational issues within PSG, lack of strength in Ligue 1 etc for them not winning the CL in the Qatari era (yet), but I'll maintain that in these two legs against BVB it boiled down to luck.
At least that's what my eyes told me and I'll argue it's backed up by stats.
 

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In fairness this is the first year where they seem to be actually trying to build a team and have jettisoned some of the bigger names,
And naturally this was the most disjointed they've looked in years

Next season maybe without Mbappé we'll see how they do. Will probably hit the market with a vengeance for a midfielder, and a striker - because they decided to set 200 million euros on fire last summer for some reason
 

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Ah..
Forgot about that final (the only final I haven't seen in some 35 years).
I'm more than willing to entertain organizational issues within PSG, lack of strength in Ligue 1 etc for them not winning the CL in the Qatari era (yet), but I'll maintain that in these two legs against BVB it boiled down to luck.
At least that's what my eyes told me and I'll argue it's backed up by stats.
Of course. Not arguing that. They were the better team.
 

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Lack of challenge in the league has an impact for sure, then there's the pressure to perform because their financial advantage domestically means the CL is effectively the only competition that matters for them, and then there's history. Once you start losing all the time, in increasingly insane ways - 6-1, Benzema hat trick in 10 minutes, limp dick City, signed Messi couldn't go past the R16 - it gets to you
 

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Qatar tried to make the entire French league something with their investment. They got Neymar, Mbappe and Messi and still couldn't win.
They were actually worse with those 3. They reached a semi before and after Messi was there and went out at the first knockout stage twicr while he was.
 

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They’ve failed so far. But could happen that they win the CL finally over next 5 years or so. Took City 15 years after getting new ownership, PSG got their Sheikh 13 years ago.
 

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I have a theory that Qatar want out of PSG and want to buy a big Premier League side, which is why they let Neymar, Messi and Ramos go. Essentially they’re doing the Monaco model of buying the top young players like Muani, Vitinha and Ugarte who if the progress will have huge resale value before cashing out and buying another club.
 

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I have a theory that Qatar want out of PSG and want to buy a big Premier League side, which is why they let Neymar, Messi and Ramos go. Essentially they’re doing the Monaco model of buying the top young players like Muani, Vitinha and Ugarte who if the progress will have huge resale value before cashing out and buying another club.
If so, Liverpool would be their preferred choice, I suppose.
 

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I have a theory that Qatar want out of PSG and want to buy a big Premier League side, which is why they let Neymar, Messi and Ramos go. Essentially they’re doing the Monaco model of buying the top young players like Muani, Vitinha and Ugarte who if the progress will have huge resale value before cashing out and buying another club.
They bought fecking Muani for €95m. What resale value?
 

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They've had some embarassing defeats and upsets, but are also getting into the later stages quite regularly. At that point it's very fine margins and i don't think they've ever been so strong that you could say their failures there are anything special. There's usually a small handful of teams that look clearly better on paper, or are close equivalents; this loss is one to regret, given the season Dortmund have had.

It's not the league holding them back in any truly substantial way -- if that was the case, they would be going out of the group stages often and performing more like Zenit did when they were spending a lot.
 

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And the league even gave them the weekend off :drool:
To be fair Dortmund did respond in the only fair way to that, by resting their entire team at the weekend as well (except the keeper)
 

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To be fair Dortmund did respond in the only fair way to that, by resting their entire team at the weekend as well (except the keeper)
I wish that idiot Tuchel would have done the same.
 

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I wish that idiot Tuchel would have done the same.
Disagree. He rested those he had to rest. But otherwise, we need structure and as much routine as possible.
 

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They were unlucky last night with all the times they hit the woodwork, but there was also some terrible finishing, and the defending from the corner was heinous. Definitely another failure, as they should be beating Dortmund, even with losing the galactico signings they have still spent an astronomical amount of money.