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Is there any research that looks at these 'patterns' or is it purely anecdotal from our own interpretation and political views?
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I'm sure you can find some data if you're interested. Are you aware of any data that suggests there isnt a correlation? It's abundantly clear though. I've worked in civil service, finance, sales and now healthcare, and each was 80-90% aligned one way or the other. When in the civil service I went to a couple union meetings and everyone called everyone 'Comrade' ffs. In my current role, the recent local election results were cheered like a 90th minute winner in the CL final. When I worked in finance/sales, I got a constant stream of right wing rhetoric from my colleagues. You can also see the pattern, or "pattern", by the nature of MPs previous work experience. Labour MPs on the whole have different professional backgrounds to Tory MPs.

The more interesting question would to what extent people's political preference influences their profession, and how much their profession influences their political persuasion.
 

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I always laugh when I hear the usual blowhards going on about ‘paying people to do nothing?!?!?’ or suggestions that ‘this will kill ambition as nobody will need to seek employment’.

Think of the hierarchy of needs; first we have food, water and basic needs of life, then secondly we have shelter and security.

Imagine the world where those first needs are met and you are free, not to NOT work, but to work on what you WANT to work on. Imagine how productive that society would be when people, ALL people, are in jobs they actively want to do!
 

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Jericholyte2 said:
I always laugh when I hear the usual blowhards going on about ‘paying people to do nothing?!?!?’ or suggestions that ‘this will kill ambition as nobody will need to seek employment’.

Think of the hierarchy of needs; first we have food, water and basic needs of life, then secondly we have shelter and security.

Imagine the world where those first needs are met and you are free, not to NOT work, but to work on what you WANT to work on. Imagine how productive that society would be when people, ALL people, are in jobs they actively want to do!
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And even if that dream job is just keeping your front garden and street clean, it would be a net positive for society like we have never seen before.
 

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Trequarista10 said:
I'm sure you can find some data if you're interested. Are you aware of any data that suggests there isnt a correlation? It's abundantly clear though.
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No I'm not aware, which is why I asked the initial question around the term 'right wing jobs', assuming there's 'left wing jobs' by your same definition. That said, it's nothing more than anecdotes at this stage.
 

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No I'm not aware, which is why I asked the initial question around the term 'right wing jobs', assuming there's 'left wing jobs' by your same definition. That said, it's nothing more than anecdotes at this stage.
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It's not just anecdotal, a quick Google search will show you some data. This isn't an academic debate I'm not going to provide citations.
 

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F-Red said:
Is there any research that looks at these 'patterns' or is it purely anecdotal from our own interpretation and political views?
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My interpretation is that:

If working is required to feed your self/family and you rent your home then you're working class

If working is required to feed your self/family and you own or are buying your home you are middle class

If you work but don't actually need to then you're upper class

Bit of flexibility between the first 2 :)
 

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Red in STL said:
My interpretation is that:

If working is required to feed your self/family and you rent your home then you're working class

If working is required to feed your self/family and you own or are buying your home you are middle class

If you work but don't actually need to then you're upper class

Bit of flexibility between the first 2 :)
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I think upper class starts below not needing to work. what you describe on the 3rd, are the priviledge 1%

A person that is on his/her 20/30s, owns a house valued in 3-4 millions and is making 200k will need to work a couple of decades if they want to have a comfortable retirement and by no means I would qualify them middle class
 

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4bars said:
I think upper class starts below not needing to work. what you describe on the 3rd, are the priviledge 1%

A person that is on his/her 20/30s, owns a house valued in 3-4 millions and is making 200k will need to work a couple of decades if they want to have a comfortable retirement and by no means I would qualify them middle class
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Someone in their 20-30's that owns a house valued at 3-4 million isn't working class
 

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Someone in their 20-30's that owns a house valued at 3-4 million isn't working class
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I 100% agree. I am saying that they are upper class, but they still need to keep working for a couple of decades at least
 

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Milk skin and spots if you please. We generally have fewer once we're over 40 though.
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Still, not cut for Ibiza during daylight, that is not why you go there to be honest
 

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Now that you feck it up, you keep it. Was beautiful
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when we first started going there it was all padron peppers and acorn-fed ham. we showed you the error of your ways and now it’s all fry-ups and carling. you’re welcome.
 

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when we first started going there it was all padron peppers and acorn-fed ham. we showed you the error of your ways and now it’s all fry-ups and carling. you’re welcome.
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And literal sucking cocks contests for free booze in clubs in magaluf (though thats mallorca)

You are right so unappreciative
 

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Red in STL said:
My interpretation is that:

If working is required to feed your self/family and you rent your home then you're working class

If working is required to feed your self/family and you own or are buying your home you are middle class

If you work but don't actually need to then you're upper class

Bit of flexibility between the first 2 :)
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Depends where you are:

You could be on a 100k salary and not even come close to affording a place to buy in central London.
 

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Red in STL said:
My interpretation is that:

If working is required to feed your self/family and you rent your home then you're working class

If working is required to feed your self/family and you own or are buying your home you are middle class

If you work but don't actually need to then you're upper class

Bit of flexibility between the first 2 :)
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I think the issue is that the working / middle classes have essentially collapsed into each other in recent years given wealth extraction.

The ‘classic’ middle-class home owner (would I qualify, we own our house with a household income of £80k) is now only a few months, or a few difficult issues away from destitution. For example we just had to get a new boiler, and thank feck we had the cover because paying for it wouldn’t have been an option.

I’d say there’s a strong argument to say that there is now only Working Class and Upper Class; those who rely on a monthly wage (or regular wage/income) to maintain their lifestyle, and those who don’t.
 

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AfonsoAlves said:
Depends where you are:

You could be on a 100k salary and not even come close to affording a place to buy in central London.
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And you'd be working class in that scenario, in the North of England you'd be middle class in my book!
 

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4bars said:
I 100% agree. I am saying that they are upper class, but they still need to keep working for a couple of decades at least
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I wouldn't necessarily agree about the upper class, especially if it is an inherited house, in some areas those Georgian house's that are worth millions now were availabe 50 years ago for as little as 10-15K, plenty of middle class folks could afford those in the 70's
 

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And you'd be working class in that scenario, in the North of England you'd be middle class in my book!
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yeah see the problem there is that tell anyone you're earning 100k+ as you're working class and they'd scoff in your face :lol: and rightfully so. It puts you in the what, top 1% of the country?
 

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Red in STL said:
I wouldn't necessarily agree about the upper class, especially if it is an inherited house, in some areas those Georgian house's that are worth millions now were availabe 50 years ago for as little as 10-15K, plenty of middle class folks could afford those in the 70's
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Obviously there are situations where it blurs as you mentioned before between working class and middle class. Is not black and white. In the example that you mentioned, might too. And is not only about the house, but your salary, savings etc... I think there are plenty of upper class that still need to work and I consider them upper class

I guess is a matter of perceptions? there are the official numbers that considers upper class the 20% , and then there is your perception and my perception. And it might change country to country
 

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4bars said:
Obviously there are situations where it blurs as you mentioned before between working class and middle class. Is not black and white. In the example that you mentioned, might too. And is not only about the house, but your salary, savings etc... I think there are plenty of upper class that still need to work and I consider them upper class

I guess is a matter of perceptions? there are the official numbers that considers upper class the 20% , and then there is your perception and my perception. And it might change country to country
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Nothing is ever black and white, except in the player forums, in there it's they are aboslute shite or the exact opposite :D

But I reckon as a general rule of thumb is probably as accurate as it'll ever be

I would add though, if you went to Eton you are almost always an upper class arsehole :lol:
 

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Red in STL said:
Nothing is ever black and white, except in the player forums, in there it's they are aboslute shite or the exact opposite :D

But I reckon as a general rule of thumb is probably as accurate as it'll ever be

I would add though, if you went to Eton you are almost always an upper class arsehole :lol:
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My dad was a soldier, my mother was an immigrant from Eastern Europe.

Yet they saved every penny they could to send me to private school in the UK. Where does that fit in your system?
 
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AfonsoAlves said:
My dad was a soldier, my mother was an immigrant from Eastern Europe.

Yet they saved every penny they could to send me to private school in the UK. Where does that fit in your system?
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You went to Eton?
 
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