Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by bond19821982, Jun 20, 2019.
Where are all the profits going? I thought we had the highest turnover in the league. Why is nothing being invested back in to the team.
It is 80-90m at the moment. 10m was on bonuses for Lukaku, so that money won't come until the conditions for the bonuses are satisfied. We also gave 5m to Everton for him. And finally, we also also paying 5-10m for that French kid.
I'll believe when I see it that we are selling Rojo for 25m. We will be laughing if we get 15m for him.
I dislike Woody as much as the next fan, but as far has that infamous phrase goes, he was proven right.
It's just that the strategy of who we bought / how we went about it was completely flawed.
We have nearly 200m in cash/equivalents. We have money. We are profitable.
The - we are skint- argument is just wrong.
If Woody had delivered a CM, this would have been a pretty decent window.
It's not that we dont have the money.. It must be that Woody doesnt want to get taken to the cleaners signing duds anymore.
The fact that we couldnt identify a top midfielder or convince him to join is concerning though.
Longstaff is still a possibility ... or not.
We finished 6th last season, SIXTH. That's four out of six times we've failed to finish in Top 4 in past 6 seasons.
Club knew Lukaku was going to be sold, then why the feck was no replacement lined up? Club got rid of Fellaini and lost Herrera on a free, why were no midfielders lined up? This is called poor planning and epitomizes how we've been run for past 6 years. But carry on championing how positive its for us to act in the market like we are.
Net spend is being pointed out to drive home the point we've been outspent by 5-6 PL clubs. 3 of them are our direct rivals no less. We need more given the dire season we just had, additional £10m on top of current figure of net spend doesn't change that.
The issue with the article isn't the idea that we'd have a budget. It's the idea that a budget would be expressed in such a stupid, inaccurate and useless way.
Not only does the idea of a 100m budget ignore most of the costs of conducting a transfer, it ignores the fact that transfer costs are spread across multiple years.
The idea behind the article is essentially that budgeting can be boiled down to "how much money will they spend from their money pool?". Which is stupid.
How do you mean so I follow?
If we couldn't find anyone better to what we've got then giving Herrera what he asked for would have made sense. Sure his salary demands might have been OTT but there again, we could have afforded it IF we refused to give non players like Jones and Mata a new contract. However I can think of many signings who could have improved us from Tielemans, Rabiot right to Ndombele. Even second tier players like Kessie could do the trick.
That would have allowed us to beefen up an already weak CM whose set to get weaker with Matic growing 1 year older and with Pogba more focused on leaving then staying. Its totally unacceptable for a top club to lose 2 CM and not replacing them.
Regarding RW, we're once again without a top RW. Meanwhile upfront we'll be relying on a kid and a has been to cover for Rashford, the latter, not exactly being a Thierry Henry or a RVN.
I haven't heard anyone saying we are skint.
Only Arsenal (as things stand, providing that Lukaku goes to Inter and Majbri comes at United) has marginally net spend more than us from our rivals, with Villa being the other club in EPL spending more than us. Liverpool and Chelsea have a negative net spent (especially Chelsea who are at -70m), City and Spurs are at around 45m.
Tielemans and McT are both B2B and I think they wants to give McT an opportunity.
Rabiot and Ndombele became a pipe dream the moment we lost top 4.
I think Mct can easily drop as a DM if needed. I also don't understand the hype around him either. He's a good squad player who can one day become a valid first teamer but he's hardly a Roy Keane and probably he'll never be.
There are others such as Rice for example or Kessie for example. Meanwhile as no 10 I wouldn't have mind someone like Suso (whose got a ridiculous minimum signing on fee) or Bruno. All of which would have been great additions to the team.
Lets face it, we didn't spent money because we didn't want to.
Ofcourse, I am with you on it. It has been a disaster. Esp given that Arsenal and Chelsea didn't strengthen enough and we had a straight shot to top 4.
Next year, Pogba will leave and we will still sitting on a pile of cash doing nothing.
City is closer to 100m. Get it right before you make excuses
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Wrong on so many counts, beyond Arsenal and Villa there are 3 clubs at least who'd have outspent us.
First and foremost, Wolves net spend is £86.5m at the moment. That's without accounting for possible Kessie transfer at £26m which would push it north of £100m
Second, City net spend is £80m at the moment https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/manchester-city/transfers/verein/281
Third, Spurs net spend is £37m at the moment but Le Celso and Sessengon signings are imminent which would again push their net spend north of £100m.
Also, if Everton do sign Zaha in next few hours then they'd also leapfrog us.
Chelsea have a transfer ban and they've signed 2 players for first team in 2019, same as us. Liverpool haven't strengthened but they haven't weakend either, all their key players are still there and they finished 30+ points ahead of us last season.
All this needs to be considered also along with the fact that United finished 30+ off city and Liverpool. We need to buy. They don't
With all this hype surrounding kids I won't be surprised if we end up barely ever playing them at all. Next year our rebuilding will be massive, we'll need an entire midfield to rebuild (RW as well) and probably a scorer as well. I doubt Ole would still be here though which means all the work around these kids will be for nought.
Ole should have been less idealistic and more realistic. He should have added 2-3 other players who would have secured our top 4 spot and only then play the kids
@Sterling Archer , @Kush you're right, the website I checked had not been updated today.
Here is from transfermarket: https://www.transfermarkt.com/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1
United is first at 159m euros. Remove around 70m for Lukaku (10m is on variables, so we have no idea if we will ever get that money), add 5-6m which we are giving to Everton (sell-on clause), and around 10m for Mejbri, this puts us at around 105m euros (95m if Mejbri doesn't come). Which is second only to Aston Villa.
Arsenal are at 99m, Wolves at 93.6m, Spurs at 40m (let's add the money for their signings which they haven't made when they make them), City at 86m.
we can start the season with a non existent CM and RW and still call ourselves a top club.
He spent a feck load of money, paid agents, paid the wages.
Hence why we got Falcao, Di Maria, Pogba, Sanchez (list goes on). All of those players were linked elsewhere, but we completely blew them away with ££'s.
Unless we all think they signed for the Reds because they loved us.
Okay understood but what was our targets? Clearly he hasn’t got them regardless of the ££’s and agents.
Outspent by Aston Villa and Wolves even though we generate more money than any other club in the world.. Now thats the way to make United big again.. Why dont they just fecking sell and feck off
That is really, really out of order, and doesn't even get that the scientist is Frankenstein, not the creation.
I get the intention, mate, we want to look on the bright side. Usually I'm all for making the best of it. But we're well past that and I think any message of temperance now only keeps Ed and Glazers at the helm longer and United down.
Europa League and Champions League finals this past year were contested by all English clubs. We were nowhere to be seen, over thirty points from the top in the league. We've since lost players that, like them or not, contributed and needed replacing.
Instead we will be outspent for yet another season by a newly promoted team.
If our message has always been, we need to operate under strict financial constraints the fans and manager could set our expectations accordingly. I would genuinely have been fine with Lemina coming in, for instance, even Max Aarons instead of AWB. But the problem is the obscene boasting from Woodward in the past, Ole talking about big changes in the summer and then none of that happening. The constant links to top players that then turn us down. Lukaku just going and training at a different club.
Its not okay. It's embarrassing. And stinks of poor poor behind the scenes management that's without doubt now, at the heart of why previously successful managers haven't stayed here long and Ole's future looks grimmer by the minute
Don't let it continue by propagating moot points that make Ed and Glazers seem like they're doing the best thing for the club. They're not. They're killing Manchester United.
With Lukaku's fee, Rojo getting sold, and also Zaha sell on clause, our net spend could be as low as £25m or less! Pathetic, we deserve to be in the fecking Emmerdale cup (EL)!
Mark Odgen was speculating that they might be planning to for the reason they've spent so little of the clubs revenue. They've spent the clubs money (not there own) before why stop now. With all rumours about Jim Ratcliffe or the Saudis buying United. I really hope they sell.
Why are you including variables and addons for players we've signed and deducing it from those we have sold? That's so disingenuous.
We dropped £80m on Maguire, £50m on AWB and £15m on James for a total expenditure of £145m. Remove the guaranteed Lukaku money which is £65m base, that net spend goes down to £80m. Add the overall cost its in ~£70m region. Fact of the matter is, we finished 6th last season and we would've been outspent by 5-6 PL clubs this season, 4 of them which are our straight up rivals. There's no excuse for it.
Such a bad window for us, I dont really think Dan James makes us any better, hes a project player, he isnt coming into play 40+ games. AWB and Harry Maguire make us much better at the back but the midfield is still unbalanced and heavily dependent on the consistently inconsistent Pogba. Up front I can see Rashford getting 20 goals, Martial 10-15 and greenwood double figures provided he plays enough. 4th place is there for the taking but we are in a fight with Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea, Wolves. I'm baffled by the lack of transfer spend this window. Do the board want us to succeed?? We've only spent £75million and theres money for Rojo and maybe Darmian coming in. So £60million net...........crap.
So do I. But I think we will be let down there as well. Fingers crossed they will feck off though.
He said we can do things in the transfer market, others could only dream of.
I dont even know if he will play them - Gomes, Chong and Garner were all back with the Youth team in the EFL trophy the other night
We have been outspent by Aston Villa and Wolves even though we generate more money than any other club in the world. We finished 6th! last year 6th! Madrid finished 3rd last year and have net spent 190m so far! Thats how you do it. How can you possibly defend these clowns.
Revan is not a Dark Lord. It is an anagram of the the word "Nevar" which is to snow in Espanol. this is symbolism that Ed Plans to freeze United's rise as a relevant club by snowing on your parade as opposed to raining on it
It is not a variable for Lukaku though. 5m is going to Everton, which means that we are getting 60m, not 65. So 145- 60 = 85m net spent. Add the money for Majbri, and it goes to 90m+.
If it ends up at £70m or less net spend that's appallingly bad considering we spent pretty much naff all last window as well. I'm not really sure what the club's doing - this is a very poor effort of attempting to make up the difference to top 4. The club must realise persistent failure to attain at least top 4 will start to impact all those lucrative deals just as it seems to be impacting attracting top talent. Maybe a club sale really is on the cards. It's a complete Shambles...
Strange window.i can accept that we need a few transfer windows to sort the team out. That said, We have 265mil sat in the bank. Not like we cant spend some and earn it back. happy with the two main signings but would have thought we would get one more at least. Still holes in midfield and at RW
Depressing transfer window. Im really dissapointed to club.
People genuinely think we were just pretending to make these bids that would've seen us spend over £100m.
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