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This right here is why lifetime appointments don't make sense.
And what exactly is the problem there? Do you prefer their lives to be disrupted by an unwanted child?I’m genuinely torn on where to settle on abortion.
On one hand, I completely see the rights of a woman to decide on what happens with their body.
On the flip I can’t shake the instances I’ve seen of college women aborting because it doesn’t suit their stage in life and studying schedule.
Maybe it’s a case of permitting it in certain instances.
I just can’t shake the memory of my wife being pregnant, getting a scan, hearing the heartbeat. Hearing that heartbeat makes it real that it’s a person developing.
I don’t know, I’ve struggled with this one for a bit.
How exactly does that concern you?On the flip I can’t shake the instances I’ve seen of college women aborting because it doesn’t suit their stage in life and studying schedule.
I’m genuinely torn on where to settle on abortion.
On one hand, I completely see the rights of a woman to decide on what happens with their body.
On the flip I can’t shake the instances I’ve seen of college women aborting because it doesn’t suit their stage in life and studying schedule.
Maybe it’s a case of permitting it in certain instances.
I just can’t shake the memory of my wife being pregnant, getting a scan, hearing the heartbeat. Hearing that heartbeat makes it real that it’s a person developing.
I don’t know, I’ve struggled with this one for a bit.
I think the easy option is to keep your nose out of everyone's elses business.
And what exactly is the problem there? Do you prefer their lives to be disrupted by an unwanted child?
I’m a genuine idiot for thinking I’d get any level of genuine open discourse and discussion on an Internet forum.
The judgement declares that Roe v Wade was wrongly decided and overrules it. The effect of the judgement is that it puts the ball back in the hands of each State to regulate abortion the way they want to.Im pro choice in any circumstance. I don’t wrap my particular moral compass on what I consider an absolute freedom in this area. The right of a woman to choose. How they enact that is non of my business.
can somebody tell me whether the judgement is antiabortion or more around a states individual right to make a decision in this area.
it’s difficult through a European lens but America really is a collection of many countries tied together mainly for security purposes.
And because of that 'casualness', you might be open to making abortion illegal? As you seem genuinely torn by abortion?I can’t think of many things bigger than choosing to terminate something with a heartbeat.
“because it doesn’t really suit me right now” just seems off in ratio to the magnitude of the action.
I’m a genuine idiot for thinking I’d get any level of genuine open discourse and discussion on an Internet forum.
Maybe because your example case for abortion was a college student doing it because it's not convenient. Each woman has their own story as to why they would want an abortion and it's not up to me to judge what is legitimate and what is frivolous.
And because of that 'casualness', you might be open to making abortion illegal? As you seem genuinely torn by abortion?
It would be different if you had said "I have no problem with abortion being legal but some folks might wanna be more responsible with their sex life".
The way you framed it seems like women may have to be 'punished' for casual sex.
I’m genuinely torn on where to settle on abortion.
On one hand, I completely see the rights of a woman to decide on what happens with their body.
On the flip I can’t shake the instances I’ve seen of college women aborting because it doesn’t suit their stage in life and studying schedule.
Maybe it’s a case of permitting it in certain instances.
I just can’t shake the memory of my wife being pregnant, getting a scan, hearing the heartbeat. Hearing that heartbeat makes it real that it’s a person developing.
I don’t know, I’ve struggled with this one for a bit.
I’m a genuine idiot for thinking I’d get any level of genuine open discourse and discussion on an Internet forum.
I’m genuinely torn on where to settle on abortion.
On one hand, I completely see the rights of a woman to decide on what happens with their body.
On the flip I can’t shake the instances I’ve seen of college women aborting because it doesn’t suit their stage in life and studying schedule.
Maybe it’s a case of permitting it in certain instances.
I just can’t shake the memory of my wife being pregnant, getting a scan, hearing the heartbeat. Hearing that heartbeat makes it real that it’s a person developing.
I don’t know, I’ve struggled with this one for a bit.
And what’s wrong with giving that example exactly, it’s one of the instances I’ve seen.
you did see the bit in my post where I said I don’t have a fixed opinion right? That I understand the side of the argument of women having the right to do what they want with their body?
But then struggling with the impact of terminating a heartbeat in the face of attitudes that seem incongruent with the magnitude of the decision.
It’s the leftist shoutdown tactics that make this so hard to discuss with people.
I mean, why did you say this? Why only in certain instances? Why not full legalization? Because women might be too casual about it?Jump to conclusions much? Christ on a bike. Women may have to be punished for casual sex? What the f are you actually taking about.
Maybe it’s a case of permitting it in certain instances.
I’m a genuine idiot for thinking I’d get any level of genuine open discourse and discussion on an Internet forum.
1) we’re talking about terminating a heartbeat and it has wider societal implications than just me and my wifeYou may be a genuine idiot but not necessarily for the reasons described.
How about noboby else tells you or your your wife what she should be able to do with her body, and you don't tell anyone else what they should be able to do with theirs.
It's simple.
1) we’re talking about terminating a heartbeat and it has wider societal implications than just me and my wife
2) why not apply that logic you’ve laid forth to every area in life then. It’s my body which contains my brain which means I can think and do whatever I want because it’s my brain and body.
It’s such an overly and simplistic statement you make that covers none of the nuances of consciousness.
hearbeat = consciousness ?1) we’re talking about terminating a heartbeat and it has wider societal implications than just me and my wife
2) why not apply that logic you’ve laid forth to every area in life then. It’s my body which contains my brain which means I can think and do whatever I want because it’s my brain and body.
It’s such an overly and simplistic statement you make that covers none of the nuances of consciousness.
What are the implications?we’re talking about terminating a heartbeat and it has wider societal implications than just me and my wife
1) we’re talking about terminating a heartbeat and it has wider societal implications than just me and my wife
2) why not apply that logic you’ve laid forth to every area in life then. It’s my body which contains my brain which means I can think and do whatever I want because it’s my brain and body.
It’s such an overly and simplistic statement you make that covers none of the nuances of consciousness.
Are you Vegan/Vegetarian by any chance?1) we’re talking about terminating a heartbeat and it has wider societal implications than just me and my wife
2) why not apply that logic you’ve laid forth to every area in life then. It’s my body which contains my brain which means I can think and do whatever I want because it’s my brain and body.
It’s such an overly and simplistic statement you make that covers none of the nuances of consciousness.
1) we’re talking about terminating a heartbeat and it has wider societal implications than just me and my wife
2) why not apply that logic you’ve laid forth to every area in life then. It’s my body which contains my brain which means I can think and do whatever I want because it’s my brain and body.
It’s such an overly and simplistic statement you make that covers none of the nuances of consciousness.
I’m a genuine idiot for thinking I’d get any level of genuine open discourse and discussion on an Internet forum.
I’m genuinely torn on where to settle on abortion.
Sadly, this is precisely how you’re behaving. You don’t quite understand what this ruling is. If you want to engage in an open discussion, you should be willing to objectively assess other peoples opinions. You’ve conveniently ignored a post by @sullydnl which hits the nail on the head.I’m a genuine idiot for thinking I’d get any level of genuine open discourse and discussion on an Internet forum.
A woman’s right to decide what happens with her body is where it begins and ends.
Not to mention that if a woman doesn’t feel she’s able to bring a child into the world then she shouldn’t be made to do so just because you think she should change her priorities.
Men have no right to tell women how to live their lives and what they should do with their bodies.
Well, they shouldn’t have any right. Sadly it seems in the US they do.
Precisely. And when you look at how red states have jumped on this, with a complete ban on abortion even in cases of rape, tells you what the real basis for this decision is. To many it is about protecting the rights of an unborn child, but to others, it really stems from an attack on a woman’s rights. And when you dig deeper into who is impacted most by this, it goes even deeper then that.Im not and thats after having two kids. Its hard, you need to be in a secure financial place and even then its stressful.
thats not even going into the fact pregnancy literally is lethal in many cases for women. With ecoptics, antenatal, labour and post partum complications.
People are well within their rights to think that a foetus in first trimester that wouldnt even survive with intubating and lines. But to impose that view on others who differ through legislation is one of the most utterly morally bankrupt and sociopathic ideological positions. Especially for a man.
thats not even going into the fact pregnancy literally is lethal in many cases for women. With ecoptics, antenatal, labour and post partum complications.
And what’s wrong with giving that example exactly, it’s one of the instances I’ve seen.
you did see the bit in my post where I said I don’t have a fixed opinion right? That I understand the side of the argument of women having the right to do what they want with their body?
But then struggling with the impact of terminating a heartbeat in the face of attitudes that seem incongruent with the magnitude of the decision.
It’s the leftist shoutdown tactics that make this so hard to discuss with people.