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I think he's a good plan C type option who can do a fair bit of what Eriksen does for us as a #8. Wouldn't improve our first XI, but would allow for us to rest Eriksen and not be as worse as that normally makes us, and we'd have Eriksen as a quality backup #10 so could rest Bruno more, deal with an injury there and also use Bruno out right when Antony is out and not really get any worse, just less balanced.
 

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“Garnacho is seen to be closely related to Argentina. Hopefully we can have him in the National Team, surely Lisandro is working for that”. - Alexis MacAllister.

Maybe you should come over in the summer and convince him yourself Alexis?
 
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Very debatable, but also, he wouldn't be a pointless squad member if we had him but he'd be a pointless addition relative to us having Fred... Sabitzer... Mctominay right now. Even if he is better than McTominay (he is), but roughly similar to Sabitzer and Fred... what's the point. None are starters if Eriksen is fit. We can get Sabitzer for 10m if we want another box to box energetic squad player who doesn't provide any of the specialties that Ten Hag actually wants in a starting 11, but only likes off the bench. We have Fred next season in that role. We need a backup DM. We possibly need a starting CM ahead of Eriksen who can be a deep playmaker but also be press resistant. Mac Allister, Fred, Sabitzer, McTominay... none of them are that type. So in summary... would be an utterly pointless signing.
Frankly He'd start ahead of Eriksen in most tough because he is more physically robust yet offers similar statistics in contribution. Mac Malister I Insist is nothing like Fred. He is a proper deep lying playmaker. The statistics show similar numbers to Erisksen in terns of forward passes, through balls and chance creation. Even in terms of pass accuracy he is no where bear as loose as Fred


As for Sabitzer if you had him too that would eliminate ANY need for Fred and Mctominay and they'd probably be sold Which would intern have no impact on what we do with Casemiro's position for that's a separate matter

For if we are heavily moneyed in the summer we could still bring in a Rice. If we are not we could get in a cheaper one like Lavia. Or even a Sangare from PSV.
 

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Frankly He'd start ahead of Eriksen in most tough because he is more physically robust yet offers similar statistics in contribution. Mac Malister I Insist is nothing like Fred. He is a proper deep lying playmaker. The statistics show similar numbers to Erisksen in terns of forward passes, through balls and chance creation. Even in terms of pass accuracy he is no where bear as loose as Fred


As for Sabitzer if you had him too that would eliminate ANY need for Fred and Mctominay and they'd probably be sold Which would intern have no impact on what we do with Casemiro's position for that's a separate matter

For if we are heavily moneyed in the summer we could still bring in a Rice. If we are not we could get in a cheaper one like Lavia. Or even a Sangare from PSV.
Well that's just not true. Statistically, with progressive passes:
  • Mac Allister - 50th percentile
  • Fred - 57th percentile
  • Eriksen - 89th percentile
Defensively his stats are nowhere near as good as Freds. I'm not sure what gave you the impression he was a deep playmaker. He is below 50th percentile for touches in the defensive or midfield third, he plays as an attacking box to box guy to provide energy. That's how Argentina used him as well.
 
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Well that's just not true. Statistically, with progressive passes:
  • Mac Allister - 50th percentile
  • Fred - 57th percentile
  • Eriksen - 89th percentile
Defensively his stats are nowhere near as good as Freds. I'm not sure what gave you the impression he was a deep playmaker. He is below 50th percentile for touches in the defensive or midfield third, he plays as an attacking box to box guy to provide energy. That's how Argentina used him as well.
First, If he were employed as an AM as you claim he'd have the most progressive passes received between the 3. He is in fact bottom of that. A clear indication he operates far deeper than both.

Second. I got my statistics from squawka.com's comparison matrix. As per those for this season Eriksen. Not only has he completed more short passes this season than Eriksen who is our deep lying playmaker. He also completes per 90 minutes about the same number of passes in the opposing half as Eriksen. (28 for him 28.9 for Eriksen). Whilst he has 22 passes per 90 to Eriksen's 19. 7 per 90 Min in his own. Even when it comes to chance creation per 90 this season. He is at 1.2 with Eriksen at 1.6. That is why I said he is a deep lying playmaker.

Lastly, the role he played for Argentina. Namely that of a box to box wide play maker simply showed his versatility. Because it is opposed to how De zerbi actually uses him for Brighton.
 
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Hmm - I'm not sure if I see MacAllister fitting in our midfield. I feel his best position is more of an advanced 8 in a midfield 3.

If we're signing any midfielder in the PL, personally I think Bruno Guimaraes is the best fit for us. He can play alongside Casemiro, play in the deeper role if Casemiro is out, and he just has that grit and mentality that I think you need as a United player, along with the requisite skillset of course.

It's highly unlikely and would be another mega fee. Enzo had gone, FDJ seems like a pipe-dream, this guy would be my third choice.
 

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It would be nice to have an actual press resistant midfielder as an outlet for the defense, simply to make sure Fred has that role as little as possible. Mac Allister would be perfect for that
 

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Hmm - I'm not sure if I see MacAllister fitting in our midfield. I feel his best position is more of an advanced 8 in a midfield 3.

If we're signing any midfielder in the PL, personally I think Bruno Guimaraes is the best fit for us. He can play alongside Casemiro, play in the deeper role if Casemiro is out, and he just has that grit and mentality that I think you need as a United player, along with the requisite skillset of course. It's highly unlikely and would be another mega fee. Enzo had gone, FDJ seems like a pipe-dream, this guy would be my third choice.
Depending on who takes over if the most likely scenario, then look at PSG , Daniele Pererira, F Ruiz, Vitinha, C Solar, R Sanches, M Veratti, Marquinhos basically 6/7 options and a couple of youth players coming through. Enfact looking at their midfield it’s definitely detoriated in last 2-3 years. My point is 6 options for 3 spaces
FFJ won’t come, too expensive and We could get a well rested Ngolo Kante for free and the promise of CL football.

Imagine these options in midfield ; CDM (Casemeiro/N Kante), Number 8 (A McCalister/Fred/ Sabitzer)
Number 10 ( Bruno/Ericsen/M Kudas)


FDJ costs £85m and £550/625k per week


Ngolo Kante (Free) £250k p/w on 3 year, Sabitzer 20M(150k) and M Kudas £45m (125k) A McCalister £
So we buy the three players to solve our Midfield completely in short and mid term giving us time to find a perfect young CDM in next two years and don’t break the wage bill!
We offset McCalister cost by selling DVB and S Mctominay and maybe it’s a choice between him and Sabitzer
 

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Depending on who takes over if the most likely scenario, then look at PSG , Daniele Pererira, F Ruiz, Vitinha, C Solar, R Sanches, M Veratti, Marquinhos basically 6/7 options and a couple of youth players coming through. Enfact looking at their midfield it’s definitely detoriated in last 2-3 years. My point is 6 options for 3 spaces
FFJ won’t come, too expensive and We could get a well rested Ngolo Kante for free and the promise of CL football.

Imagine these options in midfield ; CDM (Casemeiro/N Kante), Number 8 (A McCalister/Fred/ Sabitzer)
Number 10 ( Bruno/Ericsen/M Kudas)


FDJ costs £85m and £550/625k per week


Ngolo Kante (Free) £250k p/w on 3 year, Sabitzer 20M(150k) and M Kudas £45m (125k) A McCalister £
So we buy the three players to solve our Midfield completely in short and mid term giving us time to find a perfect young CDM in next two years and don’t break the wage bill!
We offset McCalister cost by selling DVB and S Mctominay and maybe it’s a choice between him and Sabitzer
We agreed a fee last summer for less than £85m and he obviously isn’t going to cost 550-600k a week either
 

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We agreed a fee last summer for less than £85m and he obviously isn’t going to cost 550-600k a week either
That’s his current wage with deferrals if the deal can be done for a reasonable wage then I’m all for it but the days of having one or even two players on double what the second highest player earns are long gone Alexis sanches and Ronaldo second coming only brought us misery !
 

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That’s his current wage with deferrals if the deal can be done for a reasonable wage then I’m all for it but the days of having one or even two players on double what the second highest player earns are long gone Alexis sanches and Ronaldo second coming only brought us misery !
Obviously he isn’t going to be paid his current wages with deferrals anywhere if he leaves Barca. Which is why he won’t leave unless they pay what they owe
 

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I don’t think he’s a special player really. A good workhorse in a midfield but no real standout quality. Someone I’d take if available for 30-40m but not a ridiculous 60-80m fee.
100%, and honestly, this is one of the things I am most happy to have ETH around for. With our previous crew we would have announced like Declan Rice as our top target and WH would have held us hostage for a 120m transfer, or we would have signed someone like Mac Allistar last second.

Declan Rice has potential, but only in Casemiro’s role, and he isn’t worth those sums. Is Mac Allister better than Sabitzer? In some relevant areas, yes, in other relevant areas, no.
 

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I believe most of us here don’t watch other teams, apart from highlights and games against us. None of which are the right environment to judge the ability of a player.
Im not going into what he will bring to this team but hand to heart, I really rate this lad. He has a Zanetti in him, the type you know is just good and goes about his business with no fanfare.
We have a habit as a fan base to not want certain players signed because it threatens someone’s progression or a starting players position. No it’s called competition and the cream makes it to the top.
 

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I believe most of us here don’t watch other teams, apart from highlights and games against us. None of which are the right environment to judge the ability of a player.
Im not going into what he will bring to this team but hand to heart, I really rate this lad. He has a Zanetti in him, the type you know is just good and goes about his business with no fanfare.
We have a habit as a fan base to not want certain players signed because it threatens someone’s progression or a starting players position. No it’s called competition and the cream makes it to the top.
Macho man, is that you????



 

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I believe most of us here don’t watch other teams, apart from highlights and games against us. None of which are the right environment to judge the ability of a player.
Im not going into what he will bring to this team but hand to heart, I really rate this lad. He has a Zanetti in him, the type you know is just good and goes about his business with no fanfare.
We have a habit as a fan base to not want certain players signed because it threatens someone’s progression or a starting players position. No it’s called competition and the cream makes it to the top.
Great post. Completely agree with this.
 

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“Garnacho is seen to be closely related to Argentina. Hopefully we can have him in the National Team, surely Lisandro is working for that”. - Alexis MacAllister.

Maybe you should come over in the summer and convince him yourself Alexis?
He's a kid, who's not even really Argentian, that has been in the squad once. He's not influencing anyone, he might fetch him a bottle of water though.
 

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It's best to ignore any tweets that link us to a player and then say "city, liverpool, arsenal spurs, chelsea are all interested too" as they're obviously created with the intention of drumming up interest.

He also claims to know United have held INTERNAL talks and that all these other clubs are interested too..
 

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Water carrier. Caicedo is the brains of that operation. It'll be interesting to see if anyone goes big for him.
 

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Water carrier. Caicedo is the brains of that operation. It'll be interesting to see if anyone goes big for him.
I somewhat get the same feeling he was the Drinkwater of Leicester winning the league with Argentina in the world cup. The thing is when you look at the quality of United's midfield the difference between the fully fit starting 11 (which can still receive improvement) to the bench is catastrophic. When Fred was on the bench the team was controlling the majority of games through Eriksen.

Now Fred is back in contention with Mctomminay of receiving more game time between him and Fernandes the team has lost its ability to consistently maintain possession. If McAllister can do anything of the sort to just be ordinary that is perhaps all that's required being around the squad. I have just about had it seeing Fernandes and Fred misplacing 5 yard passes.

The recent results and impression of the manager has papered over how bad the midfield actually is, Evra made a good point on the Ferdinand podcast the other day that Casemiro being such a standout player really embellishes how unbalanced the midfield is in quality. He's really doing nothing no different to what he was at Madrid defensively but because the midfield is woeful his influence is even more amplified.
 

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Water carrier. Caicedo is the brains of that operation. It'll be interesting to see if anyone goes big for him.
They play different roles. Mac Allister is much better at driving forward, linking with forwards and pressing. Plus has a good shot on him (8 goals already this season).

Caicedo is A CDM organiser as far as I can see (maybe any Brighton fans here could correct me).

I don't think either are world class but both are good to very good. For United, we're not going to spend huge money on a Casemiro understudy yet, so we're more in the market for an 8. Mac Allister makes more sense if we can't get FdJ.
 

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They play different roles. Mac Allister is much better at driving forward, linking with forwards and pressing. Plus has a good shot on him (8 goals already this season).

Caicedo is A CDM organiser as far as I can see (maybe any Brighton fans here could correct me).

I don't think either are world class but both are good to very good. For United, we're not going to spend huge money on a Casemiro understudy yet, so we're more in the market for an 8. Mac Allister makes more sense if we can't get FdJ.
Caicedo is both their DM and their deep playmaker. Mac Allister is the box to box attacker mid. Caicedo probably has world class potential. Mac Allister just a solid all rounder.
 

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In all seriousness.

I think MacAllister is a good player. He's got a good work ethic as a box to box player with good technical ability. He also seems to have a good football brain.

The only problem I have with him is that I just don't see where he fits in at Utd. He'd replace Fred or McT with ease in the squad, I think he is a much better player than both, I also think he's not going to come to Utd for 50/60m and be a squad/rotation player.

I think beside Casemeiro we need a ball player like Eriksen, same way he had Modric or Kroos at Real. Unless ETH were to jettison either Eriksen or Bruno entirely from the midfield. I'm not entirely sure the right balance could be struck with him in there + Eriksen or Bruno.
 

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In all seriousness.

I think MacAllister is a good player. He's got a good work ethic as a box to box player with good technical ability. He also seems to have a good football brain.

The only problem I have with him is that I just don't see where he fits in at Utd. He'd replace Fred or McT with ease in the squad, I think he is a much better player than both, I also think he's not going to come to Utd for 50/60m and be a squad/rotation player.

I think beside Casemeiro we need a ball player like Eriksen, same way he had Modric or Kroos at Real. Unless ETH were to jettison either Eriksen or Bruno entirely from the midfield. I'm not entirely sure the right balance could be struck with him in there + Eriksen or Bruno.
If our manager needs his skills set, he is worth the money. Whether he showcases it for 90mins it’s down to the player to prove he should.
Time we buy the right players for the team and put pressure on our so-called starting players. I don’t subscribe to too expensive or too good to sit on the bench. 100m Grealish, 34m Camavinga, 50m Ralphina, etc all had to prove their worth to the team to play games and also did not leave the club scrambling for replacements to cover injuries.
Not all transfers work out and it doesn’t make them bad players, it’s a gamble every club has to take. 50m (if right?) is that not what Fred cost us? Top clubs add quality to stay at the top and don’t get depleted before taking action.
 

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If our manager needs his skills set, he is worth the money. Whether he showcases it for 90mins it’s down to the player to prove he should.
Time we buy the right players for the team and put pressure on our so-called starting players. I don’t subscribe to too expensive or too good to sit on the bench. 100m Grealish, 34m Camavinga, 50m Ralphina, etc all had to prove their worth to the team to play games and also did not leave the club scrambling for replacements to cover injuries.
Not all transfers work out and it doesn’t make them bad players, it’s a gamble every club has to take. 50m (if right?) is that not what Fred cost us? Top clubs add quality to stay at the top and don’t get depleted before taking action.
I agree.

But personally I think he'd end up being a waste of money at Utd. I see it that his skillset doesn't suit ETH's system, much the same way as Fred and McT don't. But he's been shoe horning Fred in anyway.

Sadly, I can see him flourishing under Klopp, I said earlier in the thread he's perfect for them, a ready made replacement for Henderson. I think that's where he'll end up.
 

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I agree.

But personally I think he'd end up being a waste of money at Utd. I see it that his skillset doesn't suit ETH's system, much the same way as Fred and McT don't. But he's been shoe horning Fred in anyway.

Sadly, I can see him flourishing under Klopp, I said earlier in the thread he's perfect for them, a ready made replacement for Henderson. I think that's where he'll end up.
Never gave it much thought but it makes sense. It just annoys me we have no half decent player that can’t get in the team.
Off topic but I like a big squad and players capable of playing multiple positions.
 
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