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People also forget he was due to go on loan to The Netherlands last season but injuries scuppered that.

I think we would've seen more development in Amad had he gone there instead of Rangers
 

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"Manager after manager". The manager who loaned him out also did a terrible job and was subsequently terminated. The manager who refused to play him at Rangers has also been fired. Just because a manager makes a decision doesn't mean its the correct one. He's always been good enough. He scored in a european quarterfinal and was one of our best players on the night, was our best player at Wolves on the final day of that season and he was never given a sustained chance after that. Next thing we know Ten Hag was deploying him as a Centre Forward.
You’re ignoring the fact that, at Sunderland, he took a few months to establish himself as good enough to become the player he is now. Not to mention he’s older and more physically developed. What makes you think he would have settled any quicker playing against PL opposition when he was a year or two younger?
 

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People also forget he was due to go on loan to The Netherlands last season but injuries scuppered that.

I think we would've seen more development in Amad had he gone there instead of Rangers
Oh yea great point, got injured at the wrong time there.
 

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People also forget he was due to go on loan to The Netherlands last season but injuries scuppered that.

I think we would've seen more development in Amad had he gone there instead of Rangers
I was so excited about that Feyenoord loan, had all the makings of a real breakout move and he goes and pings his hamstring the morning of the medical. Proper sliding doors moment.

Also maybe Erik would have kept him if he’d played in the Eredivisie :wenger:
 

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You’re ignoring the fact that, at Sunderland, he took a few months to establish himself as good enough to become the player he is now. Not to mention he’s older and more physically developed. What makes you think he would have settled any quicker playing against PL opposition when he was a year or two younger?
Because he played well against AC Milan and Wolves? Not that hard to decipher. He might have had some off games initially but if he kept playing (as he has at Sunderland) he would have adapted fairly quickly.
 

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To be fair, his ability with the ball at his feet I would agree has always been good enough, his issue has been learning how to use his slight frame, which needed a run of games that we just couldn’t give him (we probably would have if he had Garnacho’s blistering pace to make up for it, but that’s another matter). Rangers decided it was too high pressure to risk him like that which was unfortunate and I’d argue daft on their part but their prerogative. If only he hadn’t got injured the day of his Feyenoord medical eh.

He’s finally getting it with Sunderland and we can all see just how good he is, what we do with him next season is very interesting as do we keep this momentum going with a PL loan or add him to our squad? He’s a serious talent that I’d love to see make it here.
Yep, agreed. He's always been great with the ball at his feet and even his decision making (often a young player's downfall) has looked good. As you say, the issue has been with his stature and with imposing himself on games throughout as opposed to drifting in and out. I would personally give him a loan to a suitable PL side next season and see where that leaves us. We're well stacked in his position at the mo and I worry that he wouldn't get the game time he deserves if he came back now.
"Manager after manager". The manager who loaned him out also did a terrible job and was subsequently terminated. The manager who refused to play him at Rangers has also been fired. Just because a manager makes a decision doesn't mean its the correct one. He's always been good enough. He scored in a european quarterfinal and was one of our best players on the night, was our best player at Wolves on the final day of that season and he was never given a sustained chance after that. Next thing we know Ten Hag was deploying him as a Centre Forward.
Sorry pal, but I'd take what three managers and their coaches working with him day in, day out say over your take on this. As the poster above notes, his ability with ball at feet wasn't in doubt but he wasn't ready to play PL football at that stage.
 

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Because he played well against AC Milan and Wolves? Not that hard to decipher. He might have had some off games initially but if he kept playing (as he has at Sunderland) he would have adapted fairly quickly.
You say this like it's a nailed on fact, which is far from the truth. Again, as evidenced by the people that worked the closest with him making the decision to loan him out. As for the Milan and Wolves point, does this mean you think that any player that has a couple of good games against high level opposition is ready to be a first team starter?
 

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Premier League loans are usually shit and a waste of time.

The stakes are too high for sides that are struggling to spend time developing young players over a season, particularly when they’re an attacker.

Bring him back in the summer and let him fight it out with Antony for the right wing.
 

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You say this like it's a nailed on fact, which is far from the truth. Again, as evidenced by the people that worked the closest with him making the decision to loan him out. As for the Milan and Wolves point, does this mean you think that any player that has a couple of good games against high level opposition is ready to be a first team starter?
Obviously not any player who has two good games would go on and adapt but for an 18 year old with Amad's talent, I would have been willing to take that chance. Especially when you consider that at the time we had nothing down the right and team was hardly pulling up trees. I also wasn't saying he should be a starter but he easily could have been a regular option off the bench like Garnacho is now.
 

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Premier League loans are usually shit and a waste of time.

The stakes are too high for sides that are struggling to spend time developing young players over a season, particularly when they’re an attacker.

Bring him back in the summer and let him fight it out with Antony for the right wing.
Some work out really well, though. Conor Gallagher to Palace, for example. If we choose the right club, it's a smart move.
 

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A trajectory that only saw him being considered as potentially good enough for a CL club after several years at Palace. And, to be honest, he’s probably still not good enough.
Amad's record in the Championship is on course to better the likes of Zaha, Mount, Grealish. Maddison got 21 g/a before moving to Leicester and his is currently on a better mins per g/a if I did my maths correctly. (There's more to football that stats but its all I can go on in the championship).
Zaha could very well play for a top six side not as a "superstar" but he's better than many forwards who have played there in his time in the EPL.
 

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Obviously not any player who has two good games would go on and adapt but for an 18 year old with Amad's talent, I would have been willing to take that chance. Especially when you consider that at the time we had nothing down the right and team was hardly pulling up trees. I also wasn't saying he should be a starter but he easily could have been a regular option off the bench like Garnacho is now.
I take your point, but don't you think he's benefited more from the Sunderland move than he would have coming off the bench every now and then? As Pogue said, even now he's older and more physically developed than he was when he arrived, so while he may be ready now, he wasn't initially.
 

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Will be facing PL level opponents today in Fulham, will be interesting to see how he does.
 

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I take your point, but don't you think he's benefited more from the Sunderland move than he would have coming off the bench every now and then? As Pogue said, even now he's older and more physically developed than he was when he arrived, so while he may be ready now, he wasn't initially.
Oh certainly the Sunderland loan was a good thing for his development for sure.
 

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I'd like to see Amad become a floating 8/10 on the right half space with Eriksen's replacement occupying the other side next season. But we don't play that way at the moment and maybe won't as long as Bruno is there.

Watching Antony cutting inside, linking up and playing a lot central when having his best game in a while against Forest makes me think we need to stop pushing the RW to play from the touchline, with the FBs overlapping rather than underlapping. Amad is doing something similar, while being more of a playmaker of course. Both of them could rotate for that spot.
 

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His final ball is a bit off today but he's not hiding and is trying to influence things which is a good trait.
 

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Premier League loans are usually shit and a waste of time.

The stakes are too high for sides that are struggling to spend time developing young players over a season, particularly when they’re an attacker.

Bring him back in the summer and let him fight it out with Antony for the right wing.
If Sunderland manage to get promoted via the play-offs sending him back there would be an ideal move. Manager who already knows his abilities and would likely be one of their main players.
 

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Fulham may be a good option too for a loan if we do loan him out. They do play good football.
 

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I've seen more from him than I have from Antony. I'd rather him here next season then on loan again.

I'd like to have the belief that United can still nurture top talents rather than farming them out and hoping one of the loans work. Especially when the players that stay here in the first team in similar positions aren't exactly setting the world alight