An new type of Racism

[devilish]

A new way of racism

Last Saturday my grandmother (from England) called me and told me a terrifying fact that I had ignored for months now.

A friend of her (Her husband has died during the WW2, the same war which she had served her nation as a nurse) had a very bad news. Her doctor (which he had served her for a decade now) had told her that HE WILL NOT ASSIST HER AGAIN because his superiors had issued an order were Asylum Seekers had be given FIRST priority

This is not the first case that I have heard about. EVERYDAY we read on the papers how English PPL are given second class treatment in several areas (Education, Health and Housing) for the Asylum seeker’s sake. While the English pay -mountain high taxes, the Asylum seekers are given the best housing, jump the endless health qeues and are given the best education (that the majority of the English children will never have)

YOU KNOW THAT I AM AGAINST ANY TYPE OF RACISM but these facts are terrifying

1) While its not fair to be a racist with ANYONE, its neither fair to be a racist with your own PPL, giving them
A cheap treatment when they are the PPL you (the government) have committed your self to serve and protect (while paying sky high taxes for the government to do that).

2) I am afraid that this new way of racism may cause a national reaction, a new hate against asylum seekers that if well exploited it may result to the rise of a new Nazist Party.

 

[AhmedDimwitson]

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> , are you saying that the asylum seekers are a privilidged group?

They're living in their ghettos on welfare, now them living on welfare forever is wrong, thus you need to do something about it. I.e. give them a job / education to get into it, and if they have a certain quota it will no doubt help them. They're so into the shite as it is now and often don't even get a chance that a little help on the way / or a little push in the right direction helps. The only way to keep the system going is by getting them of the welfare and into paying tax as it's the only way the system can survive. And as for your grandmother, doubt it is legal to give a directive to treat two people differently because of ethnical origin.

Problem as I see it is that very few asylum seekers can be bothered to take this opportunity but are happy living on welfare and don't even learn the language and then fecking whine of racism whenever they are mistreated.

 

[Stanley Road]

Always been the case

Johnny Foreigner always gets what he wants first

Fkin disgraceful

 

[Martin Henry]

I can't help but think that this is yet another attempt at scaremongering designed to turn British people against asylum seekers...

Well I won't be turned against people less fortunate than us, I'm a Christian and I actually like my fellow man and you'll have to try a lot harder to make me change...

 

[becks_007]

I really don't like this asylum thing...they get the best treatment..y????
The PPL pay high taxes and don't get as good facilities...and the worst thing is that asylum workers don't try to learn the language,work,they just have a jolly time in England!! Absolutely Unfair!!!...we might get Iraqi asylums..

 

[devilish]

This is not an anti asylum seeker post, its more an anti governmental thing who had gone from one extreme to the other.

More than critizing the Asylum seekers I am critizing the government

1 Because while Blair is spending billions to lick Bushies feet,many social rights in England are going from bad to worse

2 We are accepting too many asylum seekers much more than we can afford

3 By preferring the Asylum seekers over the English you are creating a fertile land to any Nazi nutters group

More than against the Asylum seekers I want to protect them.

But they HAVE TO INTEGRATE and thats a fact

 

[kimdeal]

Originally posted by devilish:
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A friend of her (Her husband has died during the WW2, the same war which she had served her nation as a nurse) had a very bad news. Her doctor (which he had served her for a decade now) had told her that HE WILL NOT ASSIST HER AGAIN because his superiors had issued an order were Asylum Seekers had be given FIRST priority

This is not the first case that I have heard about. EVERYDAY we read on the papers how English PPL are given second class treatment in several areas (Education, Health and Housing) for the Asylum seeker’s sake. While the English pay -mountain high taxes, the Asylum seekers are given the best housing, jump the endless health qeues and are given the best education (that the majority of the English children will never have)

</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's all Daily mail bullshit.Go and have a lie down in a dark room for half an hour.
<img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />
This is NOT happening.

 

[mancred]

Originally posted by kimdeal:
<strong>

It's all Daily mail bullshit.Go and have a lie down in a dark room for half an hour.
<img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />
This is NOT happening.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Exactly.

Devilish, this is absurd. Asylum seekers are treated terribly.

 

[Elfie]

The same in France. I hear some people complaining that foreigners are privilegied, that they use more social services, that it's easier for them to find accomodations, etc...But when you look at things, they live in the poorest suburbs and it's more difficult for them to fid jobs.

As they don't have money, they use more social services. It's logical. But nothing to do with racism.

 

[nickm]

A friend of a friend told you this eh?

I'll reserve judgement until I see some facts, I think.

 

[devilish]

I confess that apart from some days here and there during the year I rarely visit England anymore (Work commitments)

What I wanted to point it out is that the Asylum seekers over population and the imminent war will put an enormous stress on an already weak social services

I am really afriad that by putting the low level English citizen's(the majority)loyalty to the test is dangerous. After all it was through inflation and injustices that the Nazi party was erected

What I dont want is a witch hunting against the Asylum seekers

 

[kennyj]

Originally posted by devilish:
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What I dont want is a witch hunting against the Asylum seekers</strong><hr></blockquote>

Maybe they should give them no benefits then. By your logic, that would ensure their safety. A woman has a doctor's appointment canceled and you figure it's the rise of the Fourth Reich in England. I think that you be getting a little carried away with this.

 

[sin65]

As wierd as it seems to be understanding Devlish,I live and work in an area of north manchester that has a large immigrant population.It is hardly a ghetto and there has been differing problems.The Kosovans have been a nightmare,smashing their houses in fights between themselves,pulling knives on locals,constantly harrassing young girls,constantly thieving from the local asda shopping centre.The north africans have generally been polite but dont understand a word of english (fair enough) and need interpraters in official cicumstances,there is already a large pakistani contingent.They DO get priority housing over people who have been on a council waiting list for sometimes over a year whilst living in a privately rented house thats damp and owned by landlords that could care less because they dont get enough rent off them,and the areas where they reside get scruffy in a matter of months as they seem to have little care for where they find themselves.

As to the doctor situation.I have recently changed doctors and had to pass a strict medical to be accepted as all doctors in inner city areas are oversubscribed and have to take a certain number of asylum seekers so are dropping people off their lists who are elderly,possible drug users,people who drink over a prescribed amount in other words people who it is not in their financial interests to keep on.

 

[Suedesi]

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> @ this thread

 

[kennyj]

Originally posted by sin65:
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As to the doctor situation.I have recently changed doctors and had to pass a strict medical to be accepted as all doctors in inner city areas are oversubscribed and have to take a certain number of asylum seekers so are dropping people off their lists who are elderly,possible drug users,people who drink over a prescribed amount in other words people who it is not in their financial interests to keep on.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In other words, they are dropping people that use their services the most? In the US, if they dropped somebody from a program for being elderly, it would be considered age discrimination and illegal.

 

[devilish]

How do you think that Nazism started in Germany? What do you think that triggered it?

It was inflation, social injustice and a good charismatic leader who exploited this anger and pushed his mentality throughout all Germany.

Ok to say that we are at the doors of a new Nazist party is premature. But in a country where social injustice and inflation is increasing and where you have a good share of the ppl that are fed up of the traditional political way that is eroding England’s economy (Asylum seekers, Royal Family, EU and Iraq’s conflict) everything is possible

While I really care for Asylum seekers it’s a social injustice if they are preferred to the local PPL who pay the taxes, fight the wars and are responsible to make this nation proud

 

[Elfie]

Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>How do you think that Nazism started in Germany? What do you think that triggered it?

It was inflation, social injustice and a good charismatic leader who exploited this anger and pushed his mentality throughout all Germany.

Ok to say that we are at the doors of a new Nazist party is premature. But in a country where social injustice and inflation is increasing and where you have a good share of the ppl that are fed up of the traditional political way that is eroding England’s economy (Asylum seekers, Royal Family, EU and Iraq’s conflict) everything is possible

While I really care for Asylum seekers it’s a social injustice if they are preferred to the local PPL who pay the taxes, fight the wars and are responsible to make this nation proud</strong><hr></blockquote>


The day foreigners will be better trated than local people in any country hens will have teeth.

Beware Devilish, because the French far right use the same arguments "foreigners are prefered to locals", etc...and they reverse the word racism too.
<img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />

 

[AhmedDimwitson]

Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>H way that is eroding England’s economy ( EU t) everything is possible

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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> , do you think it is a coincidence that every single corporate leader in Europe speaks for the EU?

Why do you think EU is eroding Englands economy?

 

[Travis Bickle]

Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>How do you think that Nazism started in Germany? What do you think that triggered it?

It was inflation, social injustice and a good charismatic leader who exploited this anger and pushed his mentality throughout all Germany.

Ok to say that we are at the doors of a new Nazist party is premature. But in a country where social injustice and inflation is increasing and where you have a good share of the ppl that are fed up of the traditional political way that is eroding England’s economy (Asylum seekers, Royal Family, EU and Iraq’s conflict) everything is possible

While I really care for Asylum seekers it’s a social injustice if they are preferred to the local PPL who pay the taxes, fight the wars and are responsible to make this nation proud</strong><hr></blockquote>


Your notions of life in Britain seem to be taken directly from the Daily Mail.

Inflation is low here, and empoyment higher than during the 80s and early 90s - year on year the country wealthier. Problems we have are associated with crime, and fear of crime. Health. Education. Transport.

The Royal Family are irrelevant to day to day life; any erosion to their traditional way of life is of thier own dysfunctinal creation (failed marraiges, racist husband of Queen) and

No NHS doctor can't refuse treatment to a listed patient without good cause. ie, if somebody moves out of the area, or harrasses them etc etc.

There are debates around political migrants and asylum seekers, just as there were in the 30s when Jews were coming here, and the 50s. Our benefit system and general tolerance means that many people want to come here.

However, there is no significant right-wing or fascist activity. Even the formerly tinged with racism Tory party (Tebbit, Thatcher etc) has embraced multi-culturalism.

Beware of "my grandmother's friend" stories, taken from the front pages of tabliod newspapers.

 

[fjred]

The doctors story is correct and even the lefties favourite 'Guardian' admits it. How many immigrants do we take every year? Even the UN admits far more than our fair share. How many potential terrorists have we got through this? Apparantly @1000. We could get rid of 'em but they wont. The problem is this government. Its socialist in action and beleives it is moral to throw open our doors to any dross that wants it and if there are problems its our fault, not theirs. After all we did something wrong in the 17th. century didn't we? No chance of solving it whilst they are still in power

 

[sin65]

Originally posted by Travis Bickle:
<strong>

However, there is no significant right-wing or fascist activity. Even the formerly tinged with racism Tory party (Tebbit, Thatcher etc) has embraced multi-culturalism.

Beware of "my grandmother's friend" stories, taken from the front pages of tabliod newspapers.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The BNP is on the move and getting stronger everyday.They are now getting a credible face by winning local elections and because they no longer look like the 70s version with skinheads and braces they easily assimilate into society.
Young people in the areas I live and move around in are extremely racist,they dont have an organisation they just move in gangs but if your a pakistani/indian taxi driver or takeaway you know you will get trouble

 

[26 may 1999]

I was told a racist joke this morning and most people laughed...

 

[fjred]

Are you surprised?

 

[26 may 1999]

I was a bit yes...

Not so PC anymore.

 

[FresnoBob]

Both the poor white folks whining about the new allocation of resources affecting their treatment and the non-white immigrants complaining about insufficient aid from the government trough are probably correct in their own minds.

Do you know of anyone who thinks the government does enough for him (personally)?

 

[Martin Henry]

Originally posted by Elfie:
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The day foreigners will be better trated than local people in any country hens will have teeth.

Beware Devilish, because the French far right use the same arguments "foreigners are prefered to locals", etc...and they reverse the word racism too.
<img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

And I thought that when France won the world cup with a team with immigrants as well as French home players that that would be a good thing for race relations...

My trouble is that I am a bit naive in that I want to see the best in people, Le Pen nearly got in so I'm still a little bit worried, and of Course a BNP candidate got in over here...

The fact that these people have very little in the way of coherent policies (other than preaching race hatred) doesn't seem to be an obstacle to them... ...

 

[Livvie]

Don't believe that asylum seekers are being given priority.

All sorts of rumours are circulating to make people anti-asylum seekers.

Sad thing is - who needs rumours......

 

[spinoza]

The row over asylum seekers is just another symptom of the Labour government's ineptitude when it comes to spending money.

They throw all that cash into housing them and feeding them when really the investment should be in greater security to prevent illegals from getting in, better and quicker vetting procedures for official asylum applications, faster and more secure methods of repatriation for those rejected, better assimiliation programs etc.

Instead the government is taking in more than they can process and forcing them to live without work, in uncertain conditions for years. And at the same time pouring money down a black hole.