Yeah I think they were just emotional because we lost to City and the manner of the loss.
Andy Mitten: The players aren't responding to the manager
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I’d have taken Maddison over Mount every day of the week, with plenty left over to find a midfielder. It was a nonsensical move and it’s proving so.
The Mount signing was such a typical Man Utd move.
Obviously, and on the whole. Maddison though is a pretty clear-cut no 10 - he'd need to be played in the same position that Bruno currently occupies. I don't think that was the idea with Mount.
You do realise that targets are discussed before the window is opened. Onana and Mount might have not been signed yet but the club knew the manager wanted a new keeper, a midfielder along with a striker. If our only target was a striker that's where the money would have went.
Talk of the Devils with Andy & co was a good listen this week. Slowly become my favourite United pod since No Question About That was ruined by that clown, Daniel Harris with his hard man swearing and tryhard accents such as Ten Haccccch, De Chhhhhea & Van Hchaaaaaal.
Yes that's why they offered DDG a new contact without the managers sign off
They have done that many times before.
'Leopards dont change their spots"
Anyone that doesnt want to work and would rather feel sorry for themselves, get them out. dont care who they are
Anyone that doesnt want to work and would rather feel sorry for themselves, get them out. dont care who they are
I don't think it's fair to suggest the players are toxic. They absolutely were previously but it seems anyone that was a toxic dickhead has been shown the door. We get far less briefings now, there's less talk of how bad things are behind the scenes and no one's sitting down for anonymous interviews with journalists to complain about the management and suggest Lingard should be starting games.
If anything the current group aren't that likeable, but they're not dickheads, some of them are just shit and have over stayed their welcome, which isn't their fault.
I would have gone for Maddison as well. We also needed a striker, the club probably thought Rashford would recreate his form from last season. I think last season was more a anomaly than the normal for Rashford. Instead we overpaid for potential in Hojlund and are expecting him to be Haaland straight away. The kid needed somebody to learn from, if he is taking advice from Rashford he has problems as Rashford has a lot to learn as well. Bruno I think needs to be in the middle and no captaincy as I think he needs to concentrtate on his game.
No hindsight - and Mount can be a good player - but I remember watching Maddison when Leicester visited Fulham last season and being impressed that he fought for everything even when most of the team couldn’t be bothered and were walking into relegation. Maddison, Barnes and Vardy were the only ones that stood up and I think that’s quite an admirable trait to have as a player. We need as many players with the right mentality at the club
Im sorry but theres plenty to suggest theres still a fair bit of toxicity within the dressing room. And there was absolutely more than one toxic dickhead.. Id say there was/is a whole group of them. Entitled spoilt players..
At the end of the day.. The leaks are still coming after every bad result. The body language on the pitch from some of them is shocking. Even if its not a player but more their agent or family member, theyre still bitching to them about things.
I think its clear with some of them, if theyre not getting an easy ride, they are happy to sit back and hope the manager goes before they do.
As i said before. i couldnt care if they are a fringe player or the main star. get them out. Not one has earned the place right now to have a concrete place in the team
Exactly the point. They have also done many things before. The point is clearly the manager didn't want DDG and wanted a new no1 and the club was not originally on the same page.
Is it? Everything is Conjecture unless you or me are in on transfer ? I'm not don't know about you. Imo Mount and Onana were not needed.
I agree on Mount.
Everything isn't conjecture when its been reported in multiple outlets
So was the Greenwood situation and that went the other way, so the point is what? The press gets it wrong or right whatever they think..
Imo They did not buy a Striker because Greenwood was staying then changed there mind Money gone . You don't buy a Keeper then CM before a striker which was top priority that wasn't Conjecture that's Fact..
Is there any reason why you answered my post?
The very simple answer to that: Last time we beat Man City, this year in fact.
They quite obviously didn't get it wrong, United change their mind due to the media backlash
There are two very obvious reasons: 1.)Antony has just returned from a month in Brazil sweating over court decisions, there is no reason to expect him to be at his normal level, whatever you deem it to be. And 2.) When we last beat Man City, same year, same ground, we did so by playing Bruno in that position, not Antony.
They changed there mind and that was big mistake as it should have been sorted as soon as transfer window opened.. instead waited waited.. no balls to go with there original outcome .. this is on the CEO. Who has now left a gaping hole in the Striker department which could have been sorted. Ultimately it should cost him his job and could well cost ETH his as well.. we will have to see.. either way its a basket case the way it was resolved.
Agree
Before he signed for Spurs, we were linked with him in the summer and most were turning their noses up, saying he's just another Cleverly. Its funny how quickly opinions change.
Wasn't Mount the one folks were referring to Cleverly?
End of the day, Mount would look great in a winning team too.
exactly, hence the need for another mid. Although of course, at the moment Bruno is actually playing wide right
I don't think that's really true. Maddison had great games playing off either wing at Leicester, regularly played as a midfielder in a 433, and is currently playing very well as a free 8 at Spurs.
To me, it feels like Mount was preferred because he's better against the ball. Unfortunately, our biggest issues are actually on the fecking ball!
Maybe the players don't understand the leider, eh?
Maybe so, but not Mitten. He is always spot on with his United sources and a real fan that won't make up stuff for the sake of clicks.
I would have picked maddison too but that midfield would still be leaking.
Think Mount will come good
Think Mount will come good
Maddison is infinitely better than Mount. And grew up a United fan.
But hey, Maddison never played in the Eredivisie, so it was never going to happen.
Mitten has clear sources and is a great United supporter of course. However he really has become a gloom merchant. And I honestly don't care for Carl Ankas analysis after his constant flip flops on opinion during Mourinho and Oles tenure. I've listened to him since before he was the United correspondent and was doing his work for Southampton.
He just goes wherever the wind blows on results.
He just goes wherever the wind blows on results.
People will say it's not the same squad as past managers but there are a fair few players that are in their fifth season at the club now and I wonder if there's a kind of bad culture that just infects any incoming players from transfers or youth set ups. From supposed media leaks it seems Jose and EtH are/were too strict, Ole was too soft or had favorites, Ralf was too aloof etc.
The fan/journalist is a strange dynamic.
Both, im sure, are desperate for United to do well, but they can't sugarcoat it. The performances have been dross.
Another body language expert.
When you look at some of the tactics that this manager is employing, is it any wonder the "body language" is lacking?
If Mount were at Spurs, he'd still be doing well in that side. And if Maddison were here - he'd be injured and underperforming and we'd be bashing EtH for wasting funds in Bruno's best position.
At some point, our fans must accept that individual players or a new manager isn't the answer. Great player after great player have joined us and gone to shit, same goes for the caliber of the managers.
There is something rotten in the state of our club, and it rhymes with Frazier.
At some point, our fans must accept that individual players or a new manager isn't the answer. Great player after great player have joined us and gone to shit, same goes for the caliber of the managers.
There is something rotten in the state of our club, and it rhymes with Frazier.
They've been dross but saying we were only good for the opening 6 minutes isn't accurate, it's exaggerative. As is a tongue in cheek comment about city having 115% possession.
He also seems very open join in on mockery of Ten Hag way earlier and more so than Ole, which I find quite astounding.
Don't be thin so skinned. We got absolutely bossed. The 115% comment was quite funny.
If you can't laugh, you will cry.