Well Ajax must certainly rate this guy if they are refusing to sell for this massive fee we're offering, whether that is 80/100m.
Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.
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People making a big deal over the fee - City spent £100m on Grealish last year and he still isn’t even a regular starter for them.
Too young, has not yet anded in a transfer request, too expensive, not PL proven, do not want.
Am I doing this right?
Am I doing this right?
If we don’t sign him, watch the same posters moaning about his fee, go full “why didn’t we sign him, this club is shambles” after the first nothing performance by Rashy and Sanchy.
Some people will never be happy and will always find something to complain about. It’s a life choice at this point.
Sign the magnificent samba fecker now!
Some people will never be happy and will always find something to complain about. It’s a life choice at this point.
Sign the magnificent samba fecker now!
The constant talk of finances puts such a downer on transfers. It's boring.
Is he gonna score goals and help to make watching United fun again?
Is he gonna score goals and help to make watching United fun again?
It's more the circumstances. They have already lost a huge number of players for a lot of money this summer. The disruption caused by losing and having to replace Antony as well when they don't need the money means his price is higher right now than it would otherwise be.
You forgot mentioning that he is lacking the physicality to play in PL and the defenders here will eat him alive because the refs let a lot go, while on the other hand saying that he will be carded a lot for his dives because EPL refs are very strict. You also forgot to mention that he is a Brazilian and all our Brazilian signings such as Possebon, Anderson, Fred and Casemiro are flops so he is destined to fail. Di Maria vibes, mercenary here for a big payday. Oh and his height too.
Exactly, he's a left footed right winger (what we've been crying out for) and got the skill and unpredictability of someone like Saint-maximin, who people love watching.
I just want to enjoy watching our team again, first and foremost. Seeing Casemiro smash someone in the middle of the park and Anthony flip-flapping down the wing will certainly do me for now.
You’ve always been tight fisted to be fair.
How can you not be excited? He's exactly what we need.
Agree. We know the club can afford it.
Antony is a classic United style player. Gets bums off seats. If he delivers he’ll have a big resale value (not that we are a selling club) so why not?
@pocco you could be right about this one by the end of the window. I know you’ve fancied United would get him even when it went flat.
You forgot my point
Really don't get why people are worried about the price. Football is a billionaires game now and if we want to remain relevant, nevermind competitive then 80-100m for good young players is the going rate, it's as simple as that.
Beginning of the window, I cared how much we spent on a player. Now I couldn't care less, just improve this team
With Antony being wide and crossing a lot, wouldn't it be best for Rashford to play the other wing? It's not like any of the midfielders are box presences and Sancho-Antony seems really lightweight at the opposing box.
Hell as long as the money is there to bring in the rest of the reinforcements we need I couldn't give a toss about the price. He'd be a fun player to watch if he can translate some of that to the Premier League.
I agree it does but I find frustrating that other clubs seem to be able to pay sensible money top talent. Diaz to Liverpool for example. Is this guy even that good?
Billionaire clubs are getting trounced in Europe though. Liverpool are managing a lot more with a lot less. So are Real Madrid. They buy and sell. Madrid bought Tchouameni for €100M and had no issue selling Casemiro to us for €80M. We only buy and never sell. And for all our "Buy! Buy! Buy!” we have absolutely nothing to show for it.
Paying a large fee for Antony would make a lot more sense if we had sold Rashford to PSG for €70M. We are doing the exact opposite instead. We are paying €100M for Antony while also massively devaluing the asset we already have in that position, so he will likely go for free or for peanuts. Because we can't possibly imagine selling MBE Saint Sigma Rashford. It makes absolutely no sense.
Doubt he would start many games for them though, if you look at what they've got up front.
LW - Neymar, Vinicius Jnr, Martinelli, Cunha
FW - Jesus, Firmino, Richarlison
RW - Raphina, Antony, Rodrygo
I guess in terms of their starting front 3 preference:
1. Neymar (LW/CF)
2. Vinicius Jnr (LW)
3. Jesus (CF, RW)
4. Raphina (RW)
5. Antony (RW)
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Maybe a better idea than to guess is to look at the players that have been starting the past few international games.
Fred starts over Fabinho for Brazil for example.
Yeah he’s an amazing player. Just not sure about his desire to be kicked about in the EPL but I doubt anyone would turn their nose up at signing him (assuming the fee and wage was attainable).
Impressed how much he's willing to push for move (De Jong take note). However given the option would people prefer
De Jong & alternative left footed RW
Antony & alternative playmaking CM
De Jong & alternative left footed RW
Antony & alternative playmaking CM
From what I’ve read on here, Antony seems to be slightly preferred over Raphinha - or at the very least, it seems 50/50. I say this without having checked any starting/mins stats for the 2 btw.
I rather gamble 100 million euros on his potential than pay 50 for steady and decent gakpo who atm has slightly better end product.
This antony guy has something about him.
Yea he was preferred by Tite over Raphinha as of late before he got hurt towards the end of the season
FDJ. Our midfield would be elevated up there with the best in the league IMO, and controlling the midfield will transform us and give our attackers a better platform.
Antony doesn't have close to 20 million in deferred wages though. As far as your question, De Jong, obviously. If we had Casemiro-Eriksen-De Jong in the midfield, that would easily transform it into one of the best in Europe from one of the worst. Antony would do a good job, but he isn't a huge upgrade over what we have like FDJ would be over the McFred.
His real value is somewhere between 40-60m but Ajax don't have to and don't want to sell many players in one window. Finding replacement this late in the summer is not a good idea.
If Chelsea sells Ziyech to Ajax for peanut , you bet they'll sell.
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Yeah my thoughts as well, wish the club could see it too and weren't putting out briefs last night about De Jong over
We can’t sell Rashford to PSG when there’s no actual interest.
A club that has Neymar, Messi and Mbappe and can afford to buy almost every player would have interest in Rashford, a player who has done feck all in the past 18 months.
And yet he will still start on Monday nightWe can’t sell Rashford to PSG when there’s no actual interest.
A club that has Neymar, Messi and Mbappe and can afford to buy almost every player would have interest in Rashford, a player who has done feck all in the past 18 months.
Yeah selling him for around £50-£60m genuinely could have opened up opportunities to sign De Jong AND AntonyWe can’t sell Rashford to PSG when there’s no actual interest.
A club that has Neymar, Messi and Mbappe and can afford to buy almost every player would have interest in Rashford, a player who has done feck all in the past 18 months.
Liverpool have stability and structure in place which allows them to spend months or years identifying these targets, allowing them to find players like Diaz at a good price. We're scrambling around desperately trying to grab the best players we can at the end of the transfer window. We're unlikely to find bargains.
We just have to suck it up and hope we bring in some quality players able to transform us into top 4 challengers. We can then hopefully get our act together with scouting and data analysis, and find our own Diaz's in future windows
Tells you how Low the club has sunk.
But there was interest. I'd agree if English media had published about it first, but the first to report it were L'Equipe and RMC. Both are reliable French sources. We just shut that down because Rashford is much too be precious to be sold, you see. There's absolutely no reason for him to be at the club any longer in light of that offer, especially if we bring Antony, but here we are.We can’t sell Rashford to PSG when there’s no actual interest.
A club that has Neymar, Messi and Mbappe and can afford to buy almost every player would have interest in Rashford, a player who has done feck all in the past 18 months.
He could be the spark to ignite this team!
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Not surprised he’s agitating for a move here given the sums involved and the fact that we’ll essentially be fielding the Brazilian NT’s midfield day in day out, especially with the WC coming up.
If we manage to sign him even at the quoted price, he would be an excellent acquisition if Ten Hag manages to coach end product into him. Players like Mane and Sterling had a lot of flashiness in their game before they joined Liverpool and City respectively and they both had very inconsistent end product but Guardiola managed to turn Sterling into a 20+ goal a season player and Klopp did the same with Mane.
Maybe they will share the minutes. But I just don't see Antony would start many games over Raphinha, especially when they have so many talents on the WF role too. Don't forget Rodrygo is also highly rated and very impressive in CL last season.
And then we all know Brazil will start with Neymar and Vinicius in most game, not even a question. And so the remaining one spot will be compete between Jesus, Raphina, Antony, Rodrygo etc.
And here's the game when Brazil played them both on each half against same opponents (Paraguay early this year) for direct comparison. Although they have both impressed and scored, one can easily tell Raphinha is even more of a threats/better player than Antony from there.
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