Cool story. A world outside football does exist.United and City are level at 3-3 with 2 minutes to play. Its been end to end, a true classic. Suddenly Antony picks up the ball 40 yards from goal. He jinxes past two defenders and finds himself on the edge of the box. He dummies and cuts in to the left, striking the ball and curling it towards the far top left corner. It's in! United win the Derby, incredible! But wait... there's silence in the crowd. That €100m the Glazer's sanctioned is still fresh in the memory. United fans don't forget or forgive easily, and the reaction to Antony's goal tells you how tired of football they all are. The reckless spending of money generated by the club in the pursuit to improve the team is not welcomed. feck off Murtough they begin to chant
And if Antony isn't good enough to be the right winger for the next 7 years at a team expected to challenge for CL and PL titles?The issue with AWB and Maguire isn’t their price - it’s that they haven’t been good enough. If Antony is good enough to be the right winger for the next 7 years at a team expected to challenge for CL and PL titles then his price is irrelevant.
I can‘t think of one. Raphinha comes close. Sané?In all of the world of football, you are telling me there is no other winger we can buy with similar qualities? At this price he needs to come and carry the attack.
If we don’t think he is we shouldn’t be signing him. ETH and the club clearly think he is. It’s absolutely mind boggling to me that people are happier buying Ziyech - the 29 year old Chelsea reject who has totally failed in the PL - than 22 year old Antony who is on the brink of stardom because he’s cheaper. You all just find reasons to be miserable.And if Antony isn't good enough to be the right winger for the next 7 years at a team expected to challenge for CL and PL titles?
Can you blame me? A decade of shite.You're talking of an environment that looks like it's about to change but using 'this' in the tense of us being perpetually what we currently are. Comes across pessimistic.
At this late in the window, probably not.In all of the world of football, you are telling me there is no other winger we can buy with similar qualities? At this price he needs to come and carry the attack.
In all the world, I'm sure there is.In all of the world of football, you are telling me there is no other winger we can buy with similar qualities? At this price he needs to come and carry the attack.
Id say Pedro Neto is the only other one and to me he isn't as talented as Antony (and has generally played on the left, not the right). But we need a left footed right winger who can hit the top level and rotate/challenge with Sancho and Rashford. That needs 100m basically. We lost Greenwood, this is the replacement.In all of the world of football, you are telling me there is no other winger we can buy with similar qualities? At this price he needs to come and carry the attack.
So assuming because ETH and the club thinks he's worth 100m does that mean he's worth 100m? I'm going to bring up Maguire, Awb and Fred again, since the club and coach at that time thought they were worth those ridiculous amounts. And it's ironic you're slating Ziyech who easily outperformed Antony in the same league.If we don’t think he is we shouldn’t be signing him. ETH and the club clearly think he is. It’s absolutely mind boggling to me that people are happier buying Ziyech - the 29 year old Chelsea reject who has totally failed in the PL - than 22 year old Antony who is on the brink of stardom because he’s cheaper. You all just find reasons to be miserable.
Couldn't we use his apparent desperation to leave as some kind of leverage here and not pay the astronomical fee they're asking for? It's still going to be a huge fee, but maybe negotiate it down a bit. I know it's ultimately down to the club, but you don't want a player who clearly wants to go, and hasn't been shy in showing that.Tweet
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Even if that does happen, how good will he be really after missing 1-2 years of football? He's done, especially at this level.Mase will be back.
Name some because I'm struggling to think of any that are as exciting as Antony.In all of the world of football, you are telling me there is no other winger we can buy with similar qualities? At this price he needs to come and carry the attack.
Not as desperate as Manchester United are. Thats why the fee will be so high.Couldn't we use his apparent desperation to leave as some kind of leverage here and not pay the astronomical fee they're asking for? It's still going to be a huge fee, but maybe negotiate it down a bit. I know it's ultimately down to the club, but you don't want a player who clearly wants to go, and hasn't been shy in showing that.
What fee do you think Suarez would have gone for in a similar situation now? De Jong went to Barcelona for 15 million pounds less than what we're allegedly about to pay for Antony, 3 years ago.Yes, they haven't quadrupled
Nope not a single winger. Although don't be surprised some unknown winger or a winger that was available for much less than Antony suddenly pops up this season and outperforms our 100m playerIn all of the world of football, you are telling me there is no other winger we can buy with similar qualities? At this price he needs to come and carry the attack.
No. He’s worth what Ajax want to sell and we’re willing to pay. Your argument is basically we’ve signed players for lots before who haven’t been good enough - what are we doing signing more. It’s ridiculous. Let’s just stop signing players shall we? All pack up and go home. He’s quite clearly a very good footballer. I don’t give two fecks about goals and assists at this stage - he’s 22 and anyone with eyes can see within 5 minutes of watching him he’s an incredibly gifted player. Only Manchester United fans moan about signing good players. Casemiro is too old. Antony is too unproven. Let’s sign Zakaria and Ziyech instead and win the value contest.So assuming because ETH and the club thinks he's worth 100m does that mean he's worth 100m? I'm going to bring up Maguire, Awb and Fred again, since the club and coach at that time thought they were worth those ridiculous amounts. And it's ironic you're slating Ziyech easily outperformed Antony in the same league.
Says who? And if he is, it won’t be at this club, thank feck.Mase will be back.
Well, just to be clear, I'm not exactly fixated on the fee, I was just thinking that since the player has clearly shown that he wants out to the point of missing training, I thought that could maybe give us some wiggle room. The only real issue I have with spending massive amounts of money on a single player is that it takes money away from other positions. People seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of that, and think anyone who brings up transfer fees is somehow worried about the Glazers' bank account. Which is clearly not true.Not as desperate as Manchester United are. Thats why the fee will be so high.
The fixation on transfer fees is crazy for what its worth.
It is a pressing concern, a massive one. We need more talent like him desperately. The price is a madness, but it is simply what it is.€100m and he could easily end up a Pepe or Sancho when we have much more pressing concerns. We just don't learn apparently and neither do the fans. Muppets just wanna muppet.
It's a strict no for the fee mentioned from this muppet€100m and he could easily end up a Pepe or Sancho when we have much more pressing concerns. We just don't learn apparently and neither do the fans. Muppets just wanna muppet.
What are our more pressing concerns then? Would say a RW is top on the list. We don't create and we can't score for shit. We have an underperforming Rashford playing week in week out for.€100m and he could easily end up a Pepe or Sancho when we have much more pressing concerns. We just don't learn apparently and neither do the fans. Muppets just wanna muppet.
This is my biggest worry, the pressure of the price tag. In terms of ability, I think he has got what it takes to succeed.A lot of money that. Puts big pressure on him to hit the ground running too.
What we need though is a player coming in who’s willing to work like a mad man and I believe that’s what he can do. Of course she needs to be talented, but we already have a lot of talent who don’t apply themselves.
You're talking nonsense mate. I've never even brought up Antony's G/A once in this thread so I don't know where you came up with that. Theres absolutely no reason Antony is worth 100m and there's more reason to believe he would end up like the likes of Ziyech and his other Eredvisie mates that flopped in the pl.No. He’s worth what Ajax want to sell and we’re willing to pay. Your argument is basically we’ve signed players for lots before who haven’t been good enough - what are we doing signing more. It’s ridiculous. Let’s just stop signing players shall we? All pack up and go home. He’s quite clearly a very good footballer. I don’t give two fecks about goals and assists at this stage - he’s 22 and anyone with eyes can see within 5 minutes of watching him he’s an incredibly gifted player. Only Manchester United fans moan about signing good players. Casemiro is too old. Antony is too unproven. Let’s sign Zakaria and Ziyech instead and win the value contest.
And? Haller has better stats too. Not the same age. Not the same roles. What’s your point? Boiling down a players worth to G/A is so incredibly basic I don’t know how to respond.
I was speaking loosely but it isn't far from the truth. Dividends are a portion of a company’s profit that it chooses to return to its shareholders, spend less, more profit, more payout. Again, this is loosely speaking.There isn't an ever-replenishing money pool, with anything we don't spend at the end of every transfer window going into the owner's pockets.
Not necessarily. The majority of transfers are calculated in periods of five years rolling.If we overspend on Antony by 50m, our future spending in this and subsequent transfer windows is then restricted by an extra 50m. That's why people care about how much we spend, it comes with opportunity cost.
He is EtH first choice target, for that role at least.It may well be be that that money is still better spent on Antony, even with that in mind. And if we're going to overspend I certainly prefer we do it on our manager's first choice targets.
Not really. Obsessing about 'we've spent to much' in one sentence then 'why can't the owner just spend what we need' in another is just silly.But the "why do people care what we spend?" argument has always been very silly.
Sorry why is there more reason? Explain. What skills does Antony lack. Instead of bringing up past examples why don’t you actually talk about the individual player. Why will he fail in your expert opinion?You're talking nonsense mate. I've never even brought up Antony's G/A once in this thread so I don't know where you came up with that. Theres absolutely no reason Antony is worth 100m and there's more reason to believe he would end up like the likes of Ziyech and his other Eredvisie mates that flopped in the pl.
Ajax fans (at least those on Twitter) can't believe they're going to get 100M for Antony. We're overpaying yet again. Could get both an attacker (RW/ST) and another midfielder for that money.Antony's value according to Transfermarkt is €35M. Seems insane that Ajax are demanding €100M when the player is going on strike to try to force a move.
I would suggest the club not pay this ransom price.
