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Are the Glazers preparing for a sale? | Saudis deny the news
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How does signing Fred fit this narrative? Or Dalot? Or Martial? It’s just a hairbrained approach. To me it comes down to Woodward and getting new owners in who have no football background won’t necessarily change that. Getting in a DOF seems to most obvious solution so hopefully we can get that right
I haven’t been overdrawn for a few years.
I have a few bob tucked away for a rainy day and I also lent a tenner to a mate once who still owes it me so I think that may qualify me. How much did you say they want?
That muchoh well.
Don't lose hope, the Glazer's didn't have the liquid funds to purchase the club either.
From where I stand, we are a terrible investment. Our revenues are not going to grow much more that it is at the moment.
It's not a case of me having loose moral values as you put it, it's more about who can realistically buy us. Like it or not United don't have many options to get rid of the Glazers. I would never defend the regime that is going on by the Prince. I'm all about the long term regarding United. I don't think the money that is involved in the game is sustainable going forward. I think United will need to have an owner that needs to be debt free and pump money in properly in to the club. The Glazers had a head start when they came in and managed to fck it up over time, they have created a mess with the worst planning I've ever seen. I want the best for United on the pitch, I think we will properly invest with new owners. The likes of long term contracts for Jones and Smalling is where we have. We are rewarding average players that will likely not get better to save money. The scrimping is serious for such a big club. I want owners who go head to head with City, we should be dominating the league with the financial power we have, instead our big summer investment is Fred and Dalot. Playing a 2011 defense in 2019, it's a joke.
I'm very aware of the products I buy and where they are sourced. United have sponsers that have questionable backgrounds regarding human rights at best. I just love the double standards people have, I find it so contradictory. The same crowd that are banging on about the Prince are probably wearing sports clothing like Nike and Adidas and drink Coca Cola. Don't chat to me about loose morals, I'm just not a hypocrite. Manchester United are a machine at making money, the money that's being made isn't being managed properly. You can argue it's poor planning, unlucky timing ect but it all comes back to our current owners. You can't tell me that these new owners coming in, wouldn't put way more in to the club. I'm chatting structurally regarding staff, stadium/academy and first team. I'm not arguing that they are good be people, I'm arguing that they would be better owners and bring more stability to Man United long term. I'm not sure many would be as outraged if we were winning CL's and leagues regularly again. I want the Glazers gone and I think this is the best chance of getting rid with the money that needs to be involved.
All those players are young, especially the latter two. So they have resale value. Sanchez has no resale value but came on a free. The kind of player you tend not to buy (and Matic is an exception) is the older player with a transfer fee.
Jose obviously became frustrated with this policy, because younger players tend to respond less well to his bullying, and good defenders tend to be older.
I agree that a DoF might be the answer, depending on who they are and how much of a free hand they get.
It's kind of too early to judge Fred. He may yet come good.
Your posts seem so negative (and in many cases understanding re are they good owners etc) but this one makes no sense. They are supposedly worth $£850b so they are not investing for growth at all. They are investing because they want publicity etc like City's owners did. It was a splash in the ocean for them as it would be with the Saudi owners. They are not here to make money if they buy us
But the kids who will inherit the money are dummies at times.
Eccleston and his two daughters, paris Hilton etc...
He's right though in that as an investment it seems like there is little to be made from the club in its current state. These aren't really investors like the glazers were though. We would just be a plaything to help legitimise a murderous regime.
You really should read more about business 101.
It's called investment. It's not my club and it's not your club. You dont owe 1 cent of it. All of the assest are glazer's and not fans.
Indeed. We are customers. It is not a club at all. That is just a marketing term, like Tesco Clubcard, because Manchester United Football Ltd sounds bad.
Have the Glazers actually invested any of their own money in the team or just allocated the funds the club makes anyway?
Honestly don't know where we stand now, but wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't given how they bought us.
They allocated the funds, they are not rich enough to actually spend on it.
So the only investing they are doing is taking money from the club after saddling us with debt?
The club is allowed to use what it earns (if the Glazers OK the transfer/investment).
Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glazer_ownership_of_Manchester_United
It will give you a better understanding on how much they have put into the club.
Well, it's a business. You don't exactly expect them to spend more than they get from the club. For a club like United the best option was the socios model but it's something that should have happened in the 80s-early 90s at the latest, today the club is too expensive.
I agree with all you’ve said there tbf. Although I’m not sure about the resale part as we don’t seem to be a selling club right now. Although if we received a huge bid for Martial for example, that theory could be put to the test
So why are you angry that the club being sold to the Saudis. Its not your club anyway, you dont own one cent in it.
It's not what they put in out of their own pockets that's the issue.
The problem most have with the glazers is that they took out loans to buy the club and then burned it with the debt that we still haven't paid off 14 years later.
The players we could have purchased on on what we've spent on serving that debt is what get people backs up about them.
I didnt sa anything about the saudi
OMG...you do know you've just said in a way you'd rather have an owner who uses us as a milk cow (eg. take money from the club, get rich from it and place a club in debt by buying it through a loop hole) rather than owners who wants to invest billions in the club? Glaziers were investors who used us, just as the Saudi's are but instead they'll invest and not take money from the club FFS
And that's wrong because the debt reduced massively the taxes paid by the club and it still does.
I like to add to that. The club makes money mostly from its big fan base using it to get commercial deals and money from TV rating bought by fans, money from matchday revenue.
It is our money they are stealing. I would rather let the saudi pour in their money instead fo the Glazers stealing mine.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/04/glazers-manchester-united
The Glazers’ takeover has drained more than £1bn out of United since 2005, not too far off the amount Sheikh Mansour has invested into City.
wake up united fans.
The Glazers’ takeover has drained more than £1bn out of United since 2005, not too far off the amount Sheikh Mansour has invested into City.
wake up united fans.
You could probably look at most companies sponsoring us and find something negative about them. Adidas are more than likely paying their employees peanuts to produce the jersey we wear.
Because we’re not all as callous and lacking in morals as you? To plenty of us it’s not just a football club and it’s not all about being the best. There’s pride involved, history and reputation to consider, and that will take a huge hit if this was to ever happen. It would leave many of us feeling a bit sick and empty.
The stadium would still be packed and all would be forgotten when we sign someone big.
This sort of attitude stinks. “Well everyone’s a bit evil aren’t they?”. It doesn’t make it right or acceptable.
Sir Alex praised Tony Blair. The guy who is responsible for more than a million lives lost in Iraq. But our fans stayed silent about that. The Glazers are supporting Donald Trump, I dont need to expand any further on what he is doing. The UK government itself is 'aiding' Saudi Arabia in its operations. Any money invested into the club by Saudi will be from the clubs own revenue. So why are our fans in uproar about this? Is it hypocrisy, delusion or is it done with an undertone of xenophobia.
We already won the PL and CL with them.
Agreed. I can just about swallow the Glazers' ownership as part of modern life. I wish we had better owners but that's life.
The Saudis are a whole different thing. This is a regime that has people crucified for disagreeing with them. Literally crucified.
If you can accept that as your half time entertainment then fair enough. Otherwise it's gross hypocrisy to have anything to do with them.
We can do that without Saudi blood money.
I was asking a question to the person who said the club is not ours. Cut the crap.
And you accuses me of lack of morals. You don't know me. Dont you think that you are overreacting? I dont want to make it personal. But I said it earlier, There are people here in this Forum from the USA, UK and some other western countries including Italy, Poland payed Taxes to their government that used that money to kill innocent people in Iraq 2003. Why all of a sudden now finding moral high ground? I bet no one of them left their country because they were disgusted with their government.
People should not be selective in their morals. otherwise you should stop using your mobile phone, stop wearing your clothes and many other things you use on daily basis is done on the back of human rights abuse.
I agree, we can be very selective when we want to, nothing is as black and white as we want to see.
You might not be supporting the regime directly but you supporting a Saudi owned business means you are affiliated morally with their conduct. Personally I couldn't do that and stopping to care for United but probably end up in some kind of grieving process emotionally, however I think that principally that would happen.
I wonder if this kind of trade could even happen. Would the people of Britain be ok with the Saudis owning one of it's biggest brands? Would that fans really stand for it? I'm sure the Glazers, if they ever wanted to sell, could find a morally better buyer and be more comfortable selling the club to another entity than that regime. They don't strike me as sociopaths but then again it's hard to tell who actually is one from the outside.
Then you wouldn't be able to stomach the change of ownership.
Any success gained from Suadi investment would be worthless anyway.
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