Are we ambitious enough?

[bond19821982]

We aren't ambitious enough as a top club. The standards has lowered significantly. We are content with a top 4 or a regular top 4 challenge. Anything above that is considered as a Bonus now.

Everyone is at fault. Owners spend lot of money and I'm happy they are doing it. But their lack of knowledge on footballing side is hurting us. Now we have a recruitment structure who absolutely have no idea how to run things. They are scared of their own people in the media or too arrogant to make a call

FFS - how the hell are we letting this happen ? Since when, is top 4 considered as an achievement? Since when, is losing a final an achievement ? Since when ,is finishing second an achievement?
For a team who has spent close to 1 billion, we should be one of the best teams in Europe now.

Our love and emotion for Ole, SAF or Neville shouldn't cloud our judgment, when it comes to the club. We shouldn't care about what they think ,just because they were great in the past.

Thoughts?

 

[VP89]

Our fans are too nice! My thread was locked for a dupe but il throw it in here. May as well.

 

[hobbers]

If we were ambitious Ole would have been sacked about 5 times over so far.

We’re fading into irrelevance even faster than Arsenal.

 

[bosnian_red]

Chelsea, Liverpool, City all have multiple league title and champions league winning managers in charge. United has a manager who got relegated from the prem. Clearly, ambition isn't a thing at United.

 

[laughtersassassin]

We have no ambition

We preach United DNA as a way to show no ambition.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Not ambitious enough.

Too sentimental.

Accepting of comically bad owners.

 

[Sviken]

The club is the very opposite of ambitious.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Hasn't it been obvious for years that the ownership ambition only extends as far as Champions League qualification? Ferguson being in charge for their earlier years is the only difference. The board only act when sponsorship money is under threat. Nothing you or I can do about it. The club is their commodity to do as they please. Support the manager and the players, that's what being a supporter entails.

 

[Infestissumam]

the crazy thing is, the summer window absolutely showed ambition. Why else bring in Ronaldo, Sancho and Varane? Problem is that the same kind of ambition isn't shown when it comes to the manager. We're pumping loads of money into new players, but are content with pure mediocrity on the sidelines ... just mind-boggling, really.

 

[lilcurt]

Why don't the club care about winning?

Surely, even if they are only money motivated, more money comes when being successful? Are they just balancing the cost of being truly competitive Vs profits?

I can't believe Ole is still our manager.

 

[Utd7]

We've become Arsenal. We clowned them for the same standards of finishing 4th under Wegner.

We're in this situation due to arrogance and nepotism.

 

[Kaos]

Not ambitious at all. And to add to that I feel like we're being hamstrung by our past - namely the likes of Neville, CO92 and dare I say it - even the great Sir Alex himself. Our almost incestuous obsession with the United way and this "DNA" nonsense will completely hold this club back, as well as giving the Glazers and board the perfect excuse to continue their apathy.

 

[yipthatman]

No. All oppo fans are happy that Ole is still here. That says it all.

 

[Ralph1386]

Some of our fans are. The club hierarchy definitely isn't.

 

[AndySmith1990]

We're not even close to being ambitious enough. Our rivals sack underperformimg managers. We send Fegusion to Carrington to protect them.

 

[charlenefan]

the crazy thing is, the summer window absolutely showed ambition. Why else bring in Ronaldo, Sancho and Varane? Problem is that the same kind of ambition isn't shown when it comes to the manager. We're pumping loads of money into new players, but are content with pure mediocrity on the sidelines ... just mind-boggling, really.

Ronaldo was about saving face that's it

Real ambition would have been signing a midfielder as well as Varane and Sancho

 

[bond19821982]

the crazy thing is, the summer window absolutely showed ambition. Why else bring in Ronaldo, Sancho and Varane? Problem is that the same kind of ambition isn't shown when it comes to the manager. We're pumping loads of money into new players, but are content with pure mediocrity on the sidelines ... just mind-boggling, really.

I'm starting to doubt that now. Ronaldo was a marketing opportunity than a sign of showing ambitious. Varane definitely was a signing and Sancho was last year signing.

 

[Devil may care]

There is no fanbase more polarised than ours, sentimentality and archaic ideals clash with a mindset of win at all cost fans, no matter how dire the football or what happens to our youth development, it's become harder to find a middle ground so as fans our ambitions and patience varies.

The club aren't ambitious for anything bar money, the jobs for the boys set-up at the club is evident and the fact Ole has survived this long having failed to win anything or implement any style of play or cohesion speaks volumes.

 

[Skills]

If we were ambitious Ole would have been sacked about 5 times over so far.

We’re fading into irrelevance even faster than Arsenal.

This.

I think @Hansi Fick said if he were at Bayern he would've been sacked about 5-6 times by the time the Liverpool loss came. It's mad.

 

[kthanksbye]

We're going to do things only if they make sense for marketing. United legend, scorer in the CL final managing the club is marketable. Conte isn't.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Zero ambition.

 

[Varun]

We are, you don't spend the way we do if you aren't ambitious. Unfortunately, we're comically romantic as well and suffer from decision paralysis. A normal club, when it gets a deep cut, visits the hospital quickly and gets stitches. We prefer to let the blood keep draining and once you're unable to even stand due to loss of blood, rush to the emergency needing your life saved.

 

[Skills]

I think some of our fans think there's a tenure based multiplier on the trophies you win.

I'm sure many of them would take 1 title under 1 manager after 20 years, than 10 under 20 different managers.

 

[Hawks2008]

No ambitions, no standards, just vibes.

 

[bond19821982]

Let's say if it was Bayern Munich, do you think they would tolerate such low standards ? Which other big club does this way ? Even Barca and Spurs are doing the right things now.

If you want to change the way we are being run, start with a manager FFS.

 

[devilish]

We are ambitious. If we weren't then the owners wouldn't have invested so much money at the club. However the club is dominated by bankers who in turn rely on football dinosaurs to make football decisions. Neither camp want professional outside help out of fear that they would expose how shit our club is being managed from top to bottom. Hence why we're only interested in boy scouts as managers such as Pochs, Rodgers and Ole. Combined these three had won less EPL titles as manager then Ranieri.

Its amazing how a manager who had never win anything was able to survive a 5-0 defeat against Liverpool at home after 3 years busy spending 415m on this squad.

 

[Rash Decision]

We spend ambitiously. We’re just clueless, and likely relying on the wrong “football people” for advice.

 

[The Purley King]

The ambition for the Glazers is to make $ and they are doing pretty well at it from I can see.
The football is just a means to do that.

 

[Blood Mage]

Of course not. We're the Glazers' offshore bank account and that's it, as long as the CL money keeps rolling in trophies are a bonus.

 

[big rons sovereign]

Spam spam spam spam spam spam, chips egg and spam.

 

[FatTails]

Owners aren’t, key decision makers at the club aren’t, and the majority of fans aren’t either.

 

[Infestissumam]

Ronaldo was about saving face that's it

I'm starting to doubt that now. Ronaldo was a marketing opportunity than a sign of showing ambitious.

true, but even if we take Ronaldo out of the equation, we still paid £112m for two big signings in Sancho and Varane before that. This was not the Fred/Dalot window we had in Jose's final window, we actually signed two great players for a lot of money. That did look like ambition to me.

 

[Flytan]

Nope and it starts with the mentality of our fanbase with their head watching replays of 1999 every time Ole is on the screen.

 

[tenpoless]

We're becoming one of those negativity Campfire. "Tell us what you want to throw to the fire"
And then everyone takes turn talking about deep stuffs like wanting to throw selfishness, ego, animal cruelty, air pollution, etc. It never works, it just makes you feel good. All vibes and no result.
Youth, courage, success. Hah!

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Ole vs Pep, Klopp and Tuchel is equivalent to in football team term having the Cardiff squad challenging City squad, Pool squad and Chelsea squad.

No chance. Zero ambition.

 

[AndySmith1990]

The ambition for the Glazers is to make $ and they are doing pretty well at it from I can see.
The football is just a means to do that.

Yes and that's why they'll only act when it looks likely we won't finish 4th, because anything beyond raking in the CL money doesn't mean anything to them.

 

[bond19821982]

We are ambitious. If we weren't then the owners wouldn't have invested so much money at the club. However the club is dominated by bankers who in turn rely on football dinosaurs to make football decisions. Neither camp want professional outside help out of fear that they would expose how shit our club is being managed from top to bottom. Hence why we're only interested in boy scouts as managers such as Pochs, Rodgers and Ole. Combined these three had won less EPL titles as manager then Ranieri.

Its amazing how a manager who had never win anything was able to survive a 5-0 defeat against Liverpool at home after 3 years busy spending 415m on this squad.

Thats the problem though. The money spent should be directly proportional to the trophies we win. In our case we are doing worse than major clubs but pretty much outspending every single club. Yes, owners don't know a thing about this but thought we had SAF, Fletcher or other footballing people for a reason. The weirdest thing is, the man who is known for his ruthlessness, the man who don't compromise on the quality is supporting the incompetence at the club.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Ole vs Pep, Klopp and Tuchel is equivalent to in football team term having the Cardiff squad challenging City squad, Pool squad and Chelsea squad.

No chance. Zero ambition.

No it isn't.

 

[roonster09]

We are ambitious and incompetent.

 

[Bilbo]

The new thread that the Cafe has been crying out for