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Not against Everton I wasn't. Generally speaking I suppose he's done alright but I can't claim to have been blown away by him in any sense
Completely agree with this, He's our only defender who carries the ball forward, Lindelof has the occasional great pass in him but Maguire pushes the team forward more often than not with the way he carries the ball. I think he's done really well on that front. When Lindelof was paired with Smalling it was side pass after side pass in defence, until pressure from the opponents forced us to hoof the ball to nowhere, it has gotten much better now since Maguire arrived.Maguire's on the ball play has been much better than Lindelof's. Its not just about playing a progressive pass, he also does a better job dribbling and drawing players to himself before playing the progressive pass to a player who now has more space because the player came to him.
Unfortunately no CB was going to come in and significantly improve our attacking play and anyone who thought it would was clearly deluded as has been proven this season. Thats not how it works. Its just a minor improvement to buildup play.
On top of this we still have a DM dropping deep to collect the ball from a short pass from the CBs - Fred. So anyone who suggested Matic was doing that because of our CBs has also been proven incorrect.
ThisI think it's always been his moving forward with the ball at his feet and dribbles that he excelled at not necessarily is long range passing. Sadly we don't see enough of that either.
This is my biggest concern. We're looking to play quick counter attacking football but have a goalkeeper that rarely releases the ball quickly and a centre back who is ponderous on the ball.I don’t like how he takes ages to release the ball. He gets it, just stands over it and then releases it after 10 seconds, killing the tempo.
Lindelöf's long service to Rashford against Everton (which Rashy fecked up, unsurprisingly) was quite sublime, however.Not against Everton I wasn't. Generally speaking I suppose he's done alright but I can't claim to have been blown away by him in any sense
I wonder if you are joking? Pogba has the highest rate of losing the ball in the midfield. If I was trying to find a midfielder to pass a ball from behind, Pogba would be the last person to pass it to.He was shite at it vs Everton, but hes been fine most of the season imo.
The problem was that Everton where good at pushing up their attackers/midfielders so Fred/McTomminay was always marked and passing to them would be very risky 90% of the time. Its critical we get Pogba back as soon as possible since hes the only one of our CM's with the strength/technique to receive the ball under pressure and consistently turn away players
If you only remember the 3 very poor passes out of the eleven that he made to confirm a negative opinion of him then that is the definition of confirmation bias.Im not going by conformation bias, I'm going from my preference to see him play the ball out and pass along the floor to the heart of the midfield. A few of his successful long passes would undoubtedly be some where martial or Rashford would try and knock it down awkwardly and lose the ball from doing so.
What I would say about Lindelof is that he does have a great first touch which is a part of being good on the ball, it helps with taking the ball under pressure and moving the ball on. Keep an eye out for it and you'll see what I'm talking about.It's believed here that both Maguire and Lindelof are great at it(or at least was until people actually saw them playing for us).
The point is that he was bought for his passing, which makes up for his defending.Threads like these make me want to jump off the window. No offense. If we had enough midfield options this wouldn't (as it shouldn't) be a topic in the first place. The fact that he's the one with the ball passing around tells you a lot about our midfield in general. But giving the fact he is a 6,4 big defender yeah I'm happy (maybe fine is the better word like someone said earlier) with his distribution of the ball.
Someone else mentioned they only remember the 3 poor passes. I remember his general distribution. He's very good when he brings the ball out into the half himself and finds cutting passes along the floor. He's not so useful with sweeping Scholes esque passes, because we have enough of that from others as it is.If you only remember the 3 very poor passes out of the eleven that he made to confirm a negative opinion of him then that is the definition of confirmation bias.
Fair enough if I picked up the wrong comment. Sorry.Someone else mentioned they only remember the 3 poor passes. I remember his general distribution. He's very good when he brings the ball out into the half himself and finds cutting passes along the floor. He's not so useful with sweeping Scholes esque passes, because we have enough of that from others as it is.
No problem I do it all the timeFair enough if I picked up the wrong comment. Sorry.
My prediction was the first line. Out the door or hanging on like PhilThat prediction has a pretty nice range of possibilities
But with better players it might change right?My prediction was the first line. Out the door or hanging on like Phil
The key word being ‘might’ - who am I to say? As it is my prediction stands, and to be honest if we’re buying plenty of players to improve we should be buying a centre half, and Lindelof has been better than him.But with better players it might change right?
When he gets partnered with a centre back who can actually run and do most of the defensive parts of the job, I reckon he'll be fine. Not 80m fine, but a very good player for us. He'll also be helped if we start to play a left back who can do the job well. And of course, if and when we manage to put together a midfield, aided by great coaching, a lot of pressure will be taken off the defense both in terms of being under pressure and in terms of having to dictate play (against those deep sitting sides).
As it is, I think he's an upgrade on all the centre backs we had, but we still have so many problems, in terms of personnel and coaching, that it's hard to gauge how good he will be in a competent setup.
Yeah, I would definitely say he’s been comfortably better than Lindelof.The key word being ‘might’ - who am I to say? As it is my prediction stands, and to be honest if we’re buying plenty of players to improve we should be buying a centre half, and Lindelof has been better than him.
Really? Bar a few ridiculous brain farts that you could easily expect from a 22/23 year old, Lindelof’s improved massively in defence. He reads the game very well. On top of that, he can play a great pass.Yeah, I would definitely say he’s been comfortably better than Lindelof.
We shall see.
Maybe he does this to draw players onto himself...Therefore creating some space for his team mates,,,I don’t like how he takes ages to release the ball. He gets it, just stands over it and then releases it after 10 seconds, killing the tempo.
This logic bemuses me. "Our 80 Mil new signing will be good, just as long as we buy other better players to mask his flaws".But with better players it might change right?
When he gets partnered with a centre back who can actually run and do most of the defensive parts of the job, I reckon he'll be fine. Not 80m fine, but a very good player for us. He'll also be helped if we start to play a left back who can do the job well. And of course, if and when we manage to put together a midfield, aided by great coaching, a lot of pressure will be taken off the defense both in terms of being under pressure and in terms of having to dictate play (against those deep sitting sides).
As it is, I think he's an upgrade on all the centre backs we had, but we still have so many problems, in terms of personnel and coaching, that it's hard to gauge how good he will be in a competent setup.