Auction-Trade Madness Draft - R1: Oaencha vs Raees/Invictus
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Yeah I think it works quite well. Albertini was well rounded, adapted to different set-ups and didn't require much in the way of accommodation from his managers.
Decent. I like him. In a pure supporting role, he's excellent...but in an all time context, there are plenty others who offer the same and more.
I thought that was made clear in draft thread itself. No deficit.
I’m just teasing Raees and the overlord.
I'm not really sold on R/I front three and their left flank, but Pele will have a better game than Messi here, imo.
He has Suurbier behind him. Panucci is a decent defender even at left, but this is stacked against him. With Messi dragging Scirea out, I reckon Batigol will have a great game.
Kubala is a second striker too and with Pele there are redundancies there. Kubala/Nordahl or Pele/Nordahl will be more balanced imo.
I think Raevictus will have lots of joy in middle, but Oaencha will score equally well on the counter. A proper pivot DM (Stiles or Monti etc) would have done so much more for Oaencha.
IIRC correctly Albertini in his younger days was more box-to-box than later on. If this is correct Oaencha could have set up the midfield thee this way:
Albertini---Gattuso--
--------Netzer-------
--------Back 4--------
At least in Euro 72 he played really deep at times with two box-to-box midfielders- it was a very unorthodox position but would move Gattuso to his favoured RCM position with Netzer in one of his best roles.
Albertini---Gattuso--
--------Netzer-------
--------Back 4--------
At least in Euro 72 he played really deep at times with two box-to-box midfielders- it was a very unorthodox position but would move Gattuso to his favoured RCM position with Netzer in one of his best roles.
Will comment it later
Apologies, just got back from the vets. Sick cat and £400 lighter.
I will have a catch up and reply to any posts.
What’s this about a 2 point defecit? I doubt it will make a difference regardless.
What’s this about a 2 point defecit? I doubt it will make a difference regardless.
Just seen the defecit was a joke. Never mind.
Pele is a legend but I’m not sure I agree with this. Messi has free reign on the right against Panucci who isn’t playing in his best position. Pele is going to have less space with Gattuso, Albertini, Vidic and Couto all through the middle.
Gattuso is many things but defensively suspect he isn't and would be something that might slow down The King a bit.
However prime Nemanja is well suited to snuff out the Nordahl danger here.
However prime Nemanja is well suited to snuff out the Nordahl danger here.
I think instead of hyper-focusing on the Panucci part which has been brought up over and over and over again even though we've already mentioned in our OP writeup that Panucci is unlikely to stop Messi, and contrasting it with Pelé, the team and mechanics therein as a whole should be considered. Gattuso and Albertini will have to mind others as well in Masopust (Ballon D'Or winner and best midfielder on the park) and Vidal - as will Vidić and Couto (who's getting a bit of a free ride here considering the level, strangely enough - even though he's up against the most clinical striker in Serie A history). We can also claim that Messi will be stifled by a combination of man-marking, Masopust putting in a shift in the defense work as a left-half, and Scirea sweeping up, but that would be disingenuous commentary because Pelé and Messi can both conjure something out of thin air in a moment on inspiration regardless of a lack of space or time - that's why they're greatest of the greats.
e.g. Here's Pelé on the grandest stage in world football - facing a magnificent Italian defense boasting the likes of Facchetti and Rosato and being marked by Burgnich, and he still manages to leave an indelible impact on the game:
"There he is, the grandmaster, the King of football."
Couto too. You can’t imagine either of those two giving up much in the battle or in the air.
Hope he's well.
It's standard tactic. Managers vote are not counted anyways. If you want you can vote for him.
Yeah the little guy should be okay thanks. Issues with his kidney which is spooky because so have I!
You shouldn't be voting for the opposition though.. People sometimes switch votes based on the score
How is it a standard tactic? Why not just vote for your own team?
That’s actually true.
When it’s two vs one it looks like one team has advantage in the votes which don’t count. But in tight matches there are some cases in the past where voters would vote for a draw hence its better to look like the other team has the vote “advantage”
That makes sense. I guess it’s not against the rules but it’s a bit off if that is the reason. I couldn’t ever see myself doing that.
Even Del Bosque is laughing at your mate at 1:00Very underwhelming defences, neither looks able to stop the other team.
Would be a goalfest but not sure the better attack prevails when the other team is far more capable of exerting midfield control.
Would be a goalfest but not sure the better attack prevails when the other team is far more capable of exerting midfield control.
Thank you for your feedback. I agree about the full backs but all four centre backs and both goalkeepers are excellent players. What are your views on Messi and Neymar vs Panucci and Kaltz? This in my opinion is where my biggest advantage is.
That's even worse. Why not just vote form whom you like or think will win.
Usually is harmless as regular voters know how it works and that manager votes doesn't count.
yeah you are right in some sense mate, although Neymar has proven himself at the highest level, whereas Lato for example really didn't at club level for one reason or another. Rensenbrink for example has a pretty solid credentials in Europe and coupled with his WC feats and in a strong at a time Belguim league is the better player for me when it comes to credentials(and stylistically as well for that matter).
I changed my vote based on some reading up about netzar and the messi Batistuta partnership is just too 
to vote against.
to vote against.yeah you are right in some sense mate, although Neymar has proven himself at the highest level, whereas Lato for example really didn't at club level for one reason or another. Rensenbrink for example has a pretty solid credentials in Europe and coupled with his WC feats and in a strong at a time Belguim league is the better player for me when it comes to credentials(and stylistically as well for that matter).
I agree but it happens
I’m sure I said it before, but I think a manager and assistant manager vote should count if placed on the other team. Not saying anything shady is taking place here, but as mentioned above, it can sometimes skew people who look at the votes.
I assume Raees and Invictus placed a vote apiece so they cancel out in the scoring, but then when Oaencha votes for his team, it skews it his way through no doing or his own. A manager and AM can discuss the score in PM to find out who’s winning etc, but if they do both vote because they want to see the score, it should be done on their own team only.
In my ever so humble opinion at least.
I assume Raees and Invictus placed a vote apiece so they cancel out in the scoring, but then when Oaencha votes for his team, it skews it his way through no doing or his own. A manager and AM can discuss the score in PM to find out who’s winning etc, but if they do both vote because they want to see the score, it should be done on their own team only.
In my ever so humble opinion at least.
Yeah, even as an occasional perpetrator of said act I agree. It would be easy enough to bypass just by switching the vote back to your own team before the poll closes, but then hilarity would ensue if someone forgot to do that and they lost as a result.
I don't see Neymar as proven at the highest level yet. For me his MSN accomplishments weren't really him proving himself at highest level since he was only ever the third best attacker there with arguably Iniesta and Busquets still more important to the side's overall tactics. That's why to me he needs a big WC this summer or really prove himself as PSG's top dog to establish himself at the highest level.
Lato has 10g 7a in 20 WC matches helping Poland to two 3rd place finishes plus an Olympic Gold in '72. That's about as proven as he could possibly be at the highest level in the 1970s Polish FA. Its why using team achievements is unfair for comparison since he never had a chance to play abroad in his prime.
Netzer was a fascinating personality and an incredible player. The opportunity to have him feeding Messi, Batistuta and Neymar was too good to pass up.I changed my vote based on some reading up about netzar and the messi Batistuta partnership is just too
I agree with this; it does skew how the votes look. Personally I can’t see any reason why the manager and AM are both allowed to vote anyway. It should just be the managers.
It's just to allow both manager and AM to see the score.