Are you saying that clubs should be punished for corruption relating to referees?
That has seemed to be a constant deflection tactic from a lot of Barça fans on here. It's very strange.So we're at "yeah, we did it, but they did it first"?
Actually that is wrong. Plaza (ref president at the time) didnt say that. It was Camacho (a ref at the time) who said that referring to Plaza:Real Madrid bet directly on the head of the referees, at that time José Plaza Pedraz, who came to boast that with him in the presidency of the referees Barça would never win LaLiga.
Ah, yes. There you go, it was Camacho all along, not Plaza. Your posts contradict each otherIt was at that time when the Madrid referee Camacho uttered the famous phrase: "as long as Plaza is president of the referees, Barça will not win LaLiga again". And it was based on the fact that Plaza commanded everything, personally deciding the referees who should direct the matches.
No, we're at "they did it". There is no official corruption charge, just an investigation that leads into nothing so far, because there is nothing according to the club except a narrative from people who dislike barca and blow up an ethically wrong payment out of proportion.So we're at "yeah, we did it, but they did it first"?
The simple fact that you are producing such intellectually inept attempt, tells you everything about state of FC Barcelona.The simple fact, that Los Blancos were the most important club in Franco's centralised spain and represented his conservative order out of Madrid, tells you they were a regime club.
Espanyol of course!Ultimately La Liga will end up the biggest losers in this saga. If both RM and Barca are implicated, what's there left in La Liga to watch?.
I see that the truth hurts you.Lovely echo chamber here. You enjoying yourself Niemans?
Yes, more than my ex-wife did. She also had a very broad understanding of the word "truth".I see that the truth hurts you.
You should not believe anyone, if you do you would simply be a brainwashed person. If you are interested in the subject, look for and contrast information. Then reflect and draw your own conclusions.I am close to believing Niemans. But I’m just not quite there yet. Not enough randomly bold text. If it were more, I’d be convinced.
I'm sorry to hear that.Yes, more than my ex-wife did. She also had a very broad understanding of the word "truth".
What is the matter HTG, does the truth hurt you too?I am close to believing Niemans. But I’m just not quite there yet. Not enough randomly bold text. If it were more, I’d be convinced.
I disagree. There was no bold text at all in this post. Not convincing.You should not believe anyone, if you do you would simply be a brainwashed person. If you are interested in the subject, look for and contrast information. Then reflect and draw your own conclusions.
You raise some great and concerning points. I’m now willing to change my whole believe system. Thank you for your convincing research and reasoning.What is the matter HTG, does the truth hurt you too?
I think they have but it's just conclusions you don't like, hence your tirade this afternoon. You should go and lie down for a bit - and I'm being genuine here - it's worrying how much effort you're putting into this on the forum of an unrelated club.You should not believe anyone, if you do you would simply be a brainwashed person. If you are interested in the subject, look for and contrast information. Then reflect and draw your own conclusions.
Most of Nieman's posts have been either nonsensical or completely inane, and have benefited no one. He has been considered the foremost poster damaging the current reputation of Barcelona on the entire internet."Most of the referees' presidents have been either former partners or former directors of Real Madrid and have benefited. It has been considered the club of the current regime."
Those words are absolutely documented, since a total of ten (Alfonso Albéniz Jordana, Carlos Dieste Vega, Luis Colina Álvarez, Antonio de Cárcer, Julián Ruete Muniesa, Eulogio Aranguren Labairu, Manuel Emilio Suárez Marcelo, Pedro Escartín Morán, Luis Saura del Pan, José Plaza).
In the video produced by Real Madrid they ask "who is the team of the regime" and make a series of statements such as that "the Camp Nou was inaugurated by Franco's general minister, José Solís Ruiz", that "Barça awarded the gold and brilliant badge to Franco", which he named "honorary partner to Franco in 1965", who "decorated Franco three times", who "was saved three times from bankruptcy by three requalifications of Franco".
To what extent the Barça entity, after the Civil War, was a club dominated or kidnapped by the regime, and in which its directors were not members until the moment of being appointed. In fact, we must not forget that Josep Suñol, president of the club, was executed in 1936.
If i understand you correctly... First regime clubs were FC Barcelona and Atletico? Then Real Madrid?"With Franco, Madrid took 15 years to win the league and was dismantled in the Civil War, players killed, arrested and exiled, as the Santiago Bernabéu documentary recounts," the video says. These statements could be perfectly true, since the team that protected the regime in the first years after the Civil War was Atlético de Madrid, known at that time as Atlético Aviación.
it was not until the arrival of Santiago Bernabéu, in 1943, when the regime and the aristocracy that accompanied it saw in Real Madrid a symbol to project. The creation of the European Cup by Bernabéu and Saporta, with the advantages acquired by the club during the first editions, and the signing of Di Stéfano, in which the Federation influenced decisively to the detriment of Barça, took the club to another dimension.
I don't follow La Liga closely. To me both Barca and RM have dodgy records. The Spanish government can even pay RM's debt with some dodgy land deal or something.Espanyol of course!
Jokes aside, this is exactly what Barca wants. They are deflecting the blame. No other Spanish team is accused of paying Negreira. There is even a document from Negreira to Barca where he admits that Barca demanded that he worked for them exclusively so he couldnt give services to other third parties:
It could be that Barca have just been caught paying 7 million euro's to the VP of referees. Tends to swing attention your way a bit if you do that.I don't follow La Liga closely. To me both Barca and RM have dodgy records. The Spanish government can even pay RM's debt with some dodgy land deal or something.
Having watched random matches of La Liga, one way or another, both RM and Barca always got preferential treatment from the referees. Maybe because they are the pillar of La Liga and without them there is nothing left in La Liga. It feels the same in Europe where referees give preferential treatment to them especially vs English sides.
Perez is no saint himself. I think he is also up to something. Perez and Laporta are both dodgy characters. Not sure why but now the target seems to be only Barca.
Note, all this is just my feeling based on nothing and I could be very wrong.
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