Given up engaging with it. It's getting to the 'if we say it enough it becomes true' stage.Another gullible soul who likely believes in the tooth fairy.
200m quid alone
Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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Think about communism mate.
That is easier said than done. They probably could get rid of Messi if they wanted, as I'm sure City or PSG can afford his wages. Dembele and Griezmann, on the other hand, will be hard to shift. They are on outrageous wages if the numbers are to be believed, and no club in their right mind would be willing to match that, and it's very unlikely the players will accept pay cuts to move. Interesting times ahead
I don't know anything about that. If any fans wielded power and clamoured for big signings as the books were going south they're culpable too, but I'm more bothered about the suits who make the major calls and are meant to provide oversight.
Its almost like fans are as falliable as the owners.
The whole Messi's contract debate is pointless, nobody can tell for sure how much money he brings to Barcelona, i dont get why people are arguing about this.
The only fact we know is that Messi wanted out last summer and Barcelona kept him against his will. Why would they do that if Messi supposedly is such a danger to Barcelona's finances and how is Barcelona forcing Messi to stay Messi's fault in anyway whatsoever?
This is the only thing we know for a fact, and some poeple are conveniently choosing to dive into assumptions rather than thinking logically.
The only fact we know is that Messi wanted out last summer and Barcelona kept him against his will. Why would they do that if Messi supposedly is such a danger to Barcelona's finances and how is Barcelona forcing Messi to stay Messi's fault in anyway whatsoever?
This is the only thing we know for a fact, and some poeple are conveniently choosing to dive into assumptions rather than thinking logically.
I think they do. It's widely reported Griezmann is on 800K per week. Now Griezmann seemingly only wanted Barcelona and I'm sure he was on nowhere near that with Atletico. I understand giving him a little more than he was on with Atletico, but to give him an obscene offer that no other club in the world would give him makes no sense. It almost seems like whoever negotiated that was looking to make a new best friend or something.
We've discussed the 'Messi brings in so much money for Barcelona' thing in the 'Lionel Messi's Obscene Contract' thread.
Revenues for Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern, and United have been rising at more or less the same pace (33-38m per year) over a 15 year period, with relatively little noise for the first three.
That's a lot of similary and stability for something supposedly dependent on a once-in-a-lifetime unique superstar.
Revenues for Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern, and United have been rising at more or less the same pace (33-38m per year) over a 15 year period, with relatively little noise for the first three.
That's a lot of similary and stability for something supposedly dependent on a once-in-a-lifetime unique superstar.
Griezmann was making the same money at Atletico.
My estimate was a little bit off, by probably £50m, admittedly I was rounding up for simplicity.Another gullible soul who likely believes in the tooth fairy.
200m quid alone
But here:
"Marc Menchen, the director and creator of 2Playbook, and Ivan Cabeza, an economist and the founding partner of Laudem Partners, have spoken to MARCA about the financial impact of having Messi at Barcelona.
For Menchen, the Blaugrana were making a profit prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, and for Cabeza, he puts the money that Messi brings into the club between 130 and 200 million euros."
Go ahead, you can call people whose job it is to understand financial mechanics dumdumbs.Go for it.
Why would they be in this position if they were good at making smart financial decisions?
I think you're wrong here, the only facts so far are that Messi's contract has ended, he's free to leave but hasn't. Quite a turnaround from apparently being desperate to leave last summer
It's dumb as shit, that curve of Barca, Real and United's finances shows it. No departure or incoming player Ronaldo, Rooney, RVP, Ronaldo for Barca, Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar has effected it either way, or if that have it's nominal.
It's as stupid as saying David Beckham was driving United's finances, no, he was the face of the club so easy to say "he was bringing in x amount", but once he left, someone else took the mantel (Ronaldo/Rooney), that's how football works. The face of the club absolutely "brings in money", but it's the club that is the ultimate money maker. The idea Messi makes that amount for Barca is so fecking idiotic it's untrue. Don't be so ridiculously naive Tom.
Yeah, it’s not like people unconnected to the situation in any way would say nonsense to the media for a bit of publicity.
They're an assesment of many factors all encompassin Messis sporting contribution to FC Barcelona. No one are saying he's out on the streets of Barcelona selling cake and haircuts.
But here someone already did the legwork, sources included.
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They wont listen to anybody, not even their own common sense.
Messi wanted out and Barca kept him against his will instead of taking whatever sum of money they could have gotten for him and get rid of his wages. Make that Messi's fault.
Barcelona's administration for the last half decade has been terrible. You cant logically explain signings like Coutinho, Griezmann, paying that ridiculous sum of money for Dembele, making Sergi Roberto the top 3 highest paid right back on the world when he isnt even a starter, etc.
I'm going to leave this thread now. You believe what you want.
Yes sure. It's always been the case
Kept him against his will, or his will was to get the president out so he got exactly what he wanted?
If he wanted out, why's he not out now? He's a free agent.
If Messi has such a capacity for making money and is also the the best player in the world then every top club should be in front of his house with a truck full of money. It's about as close to 'guaranteed returns' as you could possibly get in football. Yet this does not appear to be happening.
First point, Messi jerseys sell for €37m profit? So what, Messi leaves and they stop selling shirts? Surely you see how fecking stupid this is just after point 1 right?
I think someone commented that Memphis fecking Depay 7 in a United shirt outsold Neymar, make of that what you will. Did United shirt sales drop by 10's of millions when Ronaldo or Becks left? Or is this a Messi only phenomenon?
No. He wanted out last summer, there's a whole interview of Messi explaining in detail everything that happened. Gotta do some fact check.
And yes, his contract is over, but he doesnt have to immediately make a choice. Nobody knows the real situation at Barcelona, at least the specifics of it, so it isnt as simple as saying "im staying", because 1) thats not his job to publicly state every wish and desire he has and 2) it may not even be possible for Barcelona to sign him, even at 0 wages.
We just dont know everything about the situation, only fact we know is that for some reason Barcelona were willing to go to trial against Messi just to keep him on their club.
Gullible as feck, Messi got exactly what he wanted last Summer.
My basic understanding is that the members vote in the presidential election every 4 years - beyond that fans don't have direct input. But happy to be corrected if i'm wrong
Not in Finance myself, but one of my mates that has done a little Football Transfer financing thinks that some top level wages may end up getting extended past players careers due to Covid.
So Messi could get paid £200k a week for 10 years rather than £400k a week for 5 years. (Example numbers used).
Anecdotal and speculative, But from someone that’s seen deal structures somewhat regularly.
So Messi could get paid £200k a week for 10 years rather than £400k a week for 5 years. (Example numbers used).
Anecdotal and speculative, But from someone that’s seen deal structures somewhat regularly.
We don't have to call them dumb. We can just disagree with their analysis.
If you read the article there's not much specific in it. There's practically no numbers. They just assert that Messi is very important and you are supposed to take them at their word. For example, they say: "Between five and 10 percent of tourists who come to Barcelona are mainly interested in going to watch Barcelona play at the Camp Nou, and Messi is largely responsible for this." Messi is largely responsible for this according to... surveys? data? does this pass any muster?
The guy's been convicted for fiddling taxes, why would you believe anything that comes out of his mouth? If he was kept against his will, he'd be long gone by now. If he signs again for Barca it makes a mockery of your "facts"
Tbf, he likely does drive quite a bit of revenue for them, but most of that would then be fixed for a number of years as clubs don't renegotiate sponsorship deals every year
And for a club of their size and revenue, the impact from losing Messi should be negligible in the first year, and disappear from the second year onwards as new stars become the face of the club
Unless they were stupid enough to negotiate deals that hinged on Messi playing for them...
For a smaller club though, like an arsenal? Signing Messi would have a massive positive financial impact, yeah. Likely not enough that he would "pay himself", but at least a significant %, yeah. I'm basing this off what happened with Madrid and Juventus with Cristiano
Common sense and Manchester United's own tourist numbers and attendance through the past 20 years tells you all you need to know. Players come and go, some even Ballon d'Or winners, and probably the biggest global football superstar ever (Becks) yet the tourists keep comings and the stadium remains full to the brim, even when we're shite.
It has honestly got to the stage with the ultra pro Messi fans where you have to question if any are over the age of 25. They literally go on like Barca were some sort of tinpot club before Messi.First point, Messi jerseys sell for €37m profit? So what, Messi leaves and they stop selling shirts? Surely you see how fecking stupid this is just after point 1 right?
I think someone commented that Memphis fecking Depay 7 in a United shirt outsold Neymar, make of that what you will. Did United shirt sales drop by 10's of millions when Ronaldo or Becks left? Or is this a Messi only phenomenon?
Before Messi it was Ronaldinho, before him Rivaldo/Figo/Ronaldo... we're talking a mega club here. When Messi leaves, Pedri or some other superstar will become the face of the club and the commercial money will continue to roll in, just as it has for United despite Rooney Ronaldo and Fergie himself leaving the club.
If your common sense tells you that Beckham in United can be in anyway whatsoever compared to Lionel Messi in Barca, then i kind of get whats going on in here
Messi is 10x as popular than Beckham ever was. You didnt even have social media back then.
Woodward is a banker, he would dismantle this bloated squad and do anything to cut costs, he wouldn't care about on the pitch success, he would even sell or lease their stadium to make an extra buck.
25 did you say @Dave Smith? I think we have to revise that to 20.
Fortunately we can compare with Ronaldo, who played at both United and Real Madrid and is extremely popular.If your common sense tells you that Beckham in United can be in anyway whatsoever compared to Lionel Messi in Barca, then i kind of get whats going on in here
Messi is 10x as popular than Beckham ever was. You didnt even have social media back then.
CR7 is even more popular than Messi, and easier to make profits from too because of his looks, personality, etc, which are both social media baits. Id like to see a study or some numbers regarding Juventus increase in revenue after his signing.
That's 100% accurate.
Yet the article in the OP suggests substantial less - bordering on half of this. I'm not overly sure why Griezmann would be on 600-800k either.... he's not got anywhere near the marketable stripes the big boys have, although he's still a fairly big name and all.
I've never experienced a more hostile place to visit as a football fan (and tourist). Disgusting club, disgusting fans and piss poor food compared to Madrid. They deserve everything they get. cnuts.
In my experience, these lists of supposed wages are never reliable. You're right though that the general dimensions can't be far off in light of Barca's staggering wage bill. And what they're paying De Jong is ridiculous whether it's 20m € per year or, I don't know, 17m.