I remember Schweinsteiger not playing (because of yellow cards I think?) and he was a big loss back then. In my opinion he was in his prime in 2013 and 2014, winnig the CL and the WC as the leader of both teams. Yes, I know Lahm was the captain, but I think everyone knows who the true leader was back then.
Bayern should have won that Arsenal game by 7-1 under normal circumstances. It was a complete miracle how Arsenal were suddenly 2-0 ahead.
Just like we could have won Chelsea in 2012 4-0 and we lost Dohoam at home.
Of all the reasons to use to support an argument, whether I would agree with the argument or not, why would you use “well Wenger said this” especially considering you beat the “best team” 4-0 and 3-0 and won the competition he said you wouldn’t win?
Was about to post this as well. The love for CB Alaba in international media and among foreign fanbases is really odd.I cannot for my life understand the love for 2020 CB Alaba
He had loads of forgettable performances there, sometimes was a real liability. 2013 Dante was firmly better.
Strange how different opinions can be. I think Bayern fans tend to seriously underrate Alaba. I rate him very highly and think Alaba next to peak Boateng is about as good as a CB pairing could be. But I also loved Lahm as a CM and still think it was his best position.
We went behind 8 times in a row and Alaba/Boateng was the CB pairing for most(? too lazy to look it up right now) of those games. So even if Alaba were a great CB in his own right, which i have not been convinced of, the partnership with Boateng absolutely isn't.
Not just Wenger, many analysts did not consider Bayern favourites at all, and were underdogs who strugggled in the CL before the quarters but overperformed, the 2020 team were favoured to smash all their opponents and they lived up to expectation
Look at those opponents though. Spurs, rubbish. Barcelona, shambles. Chelsea loanees managed by Frank Lampard. At least in 13 you faced a proper Barcelona team.
I don’t judge the team right now. They lack breaks and are too tired for pressing.
Their coach had cancer and Messi was playing injured.
It's not a huge call. Barca we're the team of that generation in terms of league and CL. And then Madrid took over in Europe. Any team would be looked as second best compared to barca of those days. 2020 bayern as well.
Ok but that doesn’t really answer my question as to why you used a different “model” to report each
They faced a barcelona team running on fumes, with a coach battling cancer and an injured Messi
Pretty crazy, but it's true. I wouldn't know which Neuer to put in my team.
They won the league that season. Messi wasn't fully fit, that's right.
Sure it was. But it was also not quite as impressive as it sounds on paper. Juventus weren't a great team, barcelona they met at the perfect time and dortmund were missing their best player in the final.
). They got hammered by real madrid in the copa del rey and then lost the clasico as well in the league. Their results against real madrid that season read 1W 2D 3L. They lost 2-0 to a pedestrian Milan side, were clearly inferior to PSG in every way but mentally. They were great in the league, but in the cups they struggled a lot, especially against good to great sidesYou can only beat what's put in front of you.
That team had a higher win percentage, scored 8 fewer goals but conceded 20 less goals. Had a higher win % and set records in the bundesliga that still stand today. On top of that they simply had better players and were better coached. Only Lewa in this current team would improve that team. That team would give this team a beating. They also played far better opposition in the CL. Best team I've ever seen.
