Ceefax was king!Every transfer story just seems like the biggest ballache. I really miss the days where you just got up Ceefax and saw we’d signed someone rather than all these ridiculous babbling Tweets that try to make a story out of nothing and cover all bases.
Wasn't Amad about £18m plus add ons? If we end up paying £37m then he's been a success hereWhich is still fine. Pay up another 10-15 and get a proven striker like Toney. This 40m is a waste of money this year just like we spent 37 on Amad.
Yeah, the alternatives that I have in mind and could be around 50m€ are the likes of Icardi, Ben Yedder, Zapata, Gerard Moreno or Immobile. There is a fair chance that most of them don't want to join United bcause they are either settled in their current clubs or in their current countries.I agree the price we would have to pay for him would be excessive but there are a number of factors that have to be considered when it comes to a transfer. One of the biggest factors is supply in the market. Right now there is a major shortage of top class strikers. The demand massively outweighs the supply. We’ve seen that with the Nunez fee for Liverpool.
We’ve got clubs like Chelsea who are at the top level and don’t have any out n out striker who can walk into the team.
The likes of Bayern, Utd, Chelsea are looking round Europe in search of someone that can meet that demand. It’s not easy to find players who will be a “bargain” for a striker.
No, that's where I disagree. Sesko isn't a compromise. He is a kid who has huge potential. He won't help us for atleast couple of years.You’ve literally answered the question. The elite market isn’t available. So us trying to sign Sesko is a compromise right?
Well if you disagree then we go back to your original point. You said for the same price, we should sign a proven goal scorer. Who can we get for £40m?No, that's where I disagree. Sesko isn't a compromise. He is a kid who has huge potential. He won't help us for atleast couple of years.
He will become an option for us, Ronaldo isn´t getting any younger and this kid will get minutes in the EL, Cups and sub in the league. Hope we get him over the line.No, that's where I disagree. Sesko isn't a compromise. He is a kid who has huge potential. He won't help us for atleast couple of years.
If we do get Sesko, I don’t see us holding on to Ronaldo. I’m certain we would not be pushing so much for this signing if Ronaldo was staying. If Sesko comes, I think Ronaldo will be gone by whichever means necessary. Sold or mutual contract termination.He will become an option for us, Ronaldo isn´t getting any younger and this kid will get minutes in the EL, Cups and sub in the league. Hope we get him over the line.
It's you who isn't getting that point. Sesko isn't the answer to our Striker problem. Don't know why are you asking me to name a striker . If Sesko is the only striker available for 40-50m then we need better scouts. As simple as that !Well if you disagree then we go back to your original point. You said for the same price, we should sign a proven goal scorer. Who can we get for £40m?
I completely get your point. I just believe it’s invalid. I’ve asked you multiple times to validate it but you haven’t.It's you who isn't getting that point. Sesko isn't the answer to our Striker problem. Don't know why are you asking me to name a striker . If Sesko is the only striker available for 40-50m then we need better scouts. As simple as that !
Ronaldo will leave and Martial is Martial. Will be injured in matter of weeks or start sulking . This striker (whoever we sign) is going to be a starter very soon . Not very sure if this kid is ready !He will become an option for us, Ronaldo isn´t getting any younger and this kid will get minutes in the EL, Cups and sub in the league. Hope we get him over the line.
Having better scouts won't help in that case, in that price range you won't find a lot of proven strikers. At this point it's mainly gambles of all sorts.It's you who isn't getting that point. Sesko isn't the answer to our Striker problem. Don't know why are you asking me to name a striker . If Sesko is the only striker available for 40-50m then we need better scouts. As simple as that !
The need for a striker has been evident from day 1. We are 3 days away from season opener and we are now struggling to get someone in. So I would stick to my point that , our scouts or (recruiting team) need to do better.Having better scouts won't help in that case, in that price range you won't find a lot of proven strikers. At this point it's mainly gambles of all sorts.
But you are sticking to a point that only makes sense if you can name alternatives in that price range that aren't gambles. Otherwise your point is a bit futile since proven strikers are necessarily well known.The need for a striker has been evident from day 1. We are 3 days away from season opener and we are now struggling to get someone in. So I would stick to my point that , our scouts or (recruiting team) need to do better.
Throwing big money on a kid from Austrian league isn't the answer !
Again ,it's not my job to find a striker . I will give you an example. I watch only PL and Toney is a nice alternative. Are you saying if we had tried Toney in June/July, we won't be able to get him for 50-60 m ?But you are sticking to a point that only makes sense if you can name alternatives in that price range that aren't gambles. Otherwise your point is a bit futile since proven strikers are necessarily well known.
Still awaiting some expert commentary on him. Some are jizzing their pants over a few YouTube videos and making out he’s the next big thing. For the prices being mooted about I’d be wanting some excellent analysis of his game before getting all giddy about him. We seem to have great posters with a lot of knowledge about Portuguese clubs and various other league, Austrian not so much…You can say Rooney, someone else could say Drogba. Fact is none of us have any idea how good he'll turn out to be so why not trust the managers judgement
So you think spending upto £60m on a striker who’s only ever scored 12 premier league goals in his career at the age of 26 is a better value signing than one of the most promising 19 year old strikers around for 40m. Very bizarre.Again ,it's not my job to find a striker . I will give you an example. I watch only PL and Toney is a nice alternative. Are you saying if we had tried Toney in June/July, we won't be able to get him for 50-60 m ?
Are you saying there aren't strikers available in other leagues like Toney ? That's a BS argument !
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And now this… Should be a no brainer.
I’m guessing it’s about Martial’s injury.Is nothing there?
A Laurie whitwell tweet saying Martial is out with a hamstring injury.Looks like it's deleted. What did it say?
Toney is not proven though, he has played the grand total of one season in a country first division. Your alternative is an unproven player.Again ,it's not my job to find a striker . I will give you an example. I watch only PL and Toney is a nice alternative. Are you saying if we had tried Toney in June/July, we won't be able to get him for 50-60 m ?
Are you saying there aren't strikers available in other leagues like Toney ? That's a BS argument !
He has only played one season in the PL, how many senior goals has he scored in the last 3/4 years? And Ivan Toney has also been a promising striker in the last 3 years also. Bizzare way to skew a point (not that I think we should sign Toney)So you think spending upto £60m on a striker who’s only ever scored 12 premier league goals in his career at the age of 26 is a better value signing than one of the most promising 19 year old strikers around for 40m. Very bizarre.
Ahh yea. Just seen it on twitter. Typical for us. Nothing new.A Laurie whitwell tweet saying Martial was out with a hamstring injury.
If you actually followed the conversation he’s suggesting Toney as the proven goal scorer rather than Sesko. His initial point being we should be signing a proven goal scorer for £40m. It just isn’t happening.He has only played one season in the PL, how many senior goals has he scored in the last 3/4 years? And Ivan Toney has also been a promising striker in the last 3 years also. Bizzare way to skew a point (not that I think we should sign Toney)
And you think spending 40m on an unproven kid to answer our striking options this year, is a nice idea ? Especially, given how we handled Martial and Amad in recent times ?So you think spending upto £60m on a striker who’s only ever scored 12 premier league goals in his career at the age of 26 is a better value signing than one of the most promising 19 year old strikers around for 40m. Very bizarre.
the daythe greenwood tape was aired we knew we needed a new striker. It’s absolutely pathetic we haven’t got one in the week the PL season starts. I’d say we are past the must be proven stage.Toney is not proven though, he has played the grand total of one season in a country first division. Your alternative is an unproven player.
I did follow and Toney is a proven goal scorer (not PL proven agree) but a lot more proven than Sesko which is why I said why are you only looking at last season.If you actually followed the conversation he’s suggesting Toney as the proven goal scorer rather than Sesko. His initial point being we should be signing a proven goal scorer for £40m. It just isn’t happening.
He isn't. Not sure how many matches have you watched of Toney but he isn't unproven.Toney is not proven though, he has played the grand total of one season in a country first division. Your alternative is an unproven player.
Only 12 goals in the premier league to become a proven goal scorer? Interesting. In that case we should be all over Danny Ings and Pukki.I did follow and Toney is a proven goal scorer (not PL proven agree) but a lot more proven than Sesko which is why I said why are you only looking at last season.
I don't think we should sign Toney mind you
So he’s not proven and he’s not unproven at the same time. This is brilliant.He isn't. Not sure how many matches have you watched of Toney but he isn't unproven.
Read the postOnly 12 goals in the premier league to become a proven goal scorer? Interesting. In that case we should be all over Danny Ings and Pukki.
So you admit he’s not premier league proven. In that case Sesko isn’t premier league proven either and is cheaper and younger.Read the post
I don't disagree, bringing a forward was in my view a priority but the posters I was conversing with is against bringing an unproven player while not suggesting any proven player. Truth be told almost all clubs have been in the same situation when it comes to strikers.the daythe greenwood tape was aired we knew we needed a new striker. It’s absolutely pathetic we haven’t got one in the week the PL season starts. I’d say we are past the must be proven stage.
And ALOT less proven. But my point was about how you chose to compare which is why I said read the post. I even said I wouldn't sign ToneySo you admit he’s not premier league proven. In that case Sesko isn’t premier league proven either and is cheaper and younger.
I'm sorry but there is no world where a player is proven after one season. And we are not even talking about a young or particularly productive player. I don't mind the idea of going for that type of player but these are gambles.He isn't. Not sure how many matches have you watched of Toney but he isn't unproven.
His underlying stats profile would also raise some question marks about how much of a consistent goalscorer he's likely to be.Toney is not proven though, he has played the grand total of one season in a country first division. Your alternative is an unproven player.
