Berbasloth4 VS Green_Smiley - All-time 3 year peak - AUCTION draft

Who would win based on players in their 3-yr peak?


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CRITERIA -
The players are all judged solely on the years in their three year consecutive peak that will be listed. A players overall career greatness has no affect when judging and comparing them.


Koeman 90-93
Hierro 97-00
Edwards 55-58
Donadoni 90-93
Zidane 98-01
Stoichkov 91-94
Aguero 12-15

BERBASLOTHS TACTICS

I have went with a 4-2-3-1 of sorts.

My back four consists of Irwin, Stam, Koeman and Cole. My full backs have the license to get forward and help in attack but when one gets forward the other has to sit.

Stam and Koeman will be helped out by a defensive shield in Fernando Hierro. When Koeman does his usual burst forward to playmake from the back, Hierro will drop in beside Stam making sure I have 3 back at all times.

Edwards will play as my box to box midfielder, I know he was a left half back in the days but in this day his qualities and ability mean he would slot in perfectly as your all action centre midfielder.

In front of him I have Donadoni as my right winger, Stoichkov in left winger/forward role and Zidane given a free role. Donadoni and Stoichkov will be told to back up there full backs at all times to make sure they are never facing a 2 v 1. Zidanes free role means he can pop up anywhere right,left, centre whereever, try and force the much needed man marker to follow him and free up space for Edwards and Koeman getting forward..

Up front to capitalize on the exquisite passing of zidane and fantastic crossing of donadoni and stoichkov I have Sergio Aguero.. it pains me to say it but he is the most clinical striker in world football today. He will play on the shoulders of defenders forcing them to play a deeper line. He needs to be marked skin tight because he can score quarter chances with the blink of an eye.

Peruzzi 95-98 :-He is regarded by pundits as one of the greatest Italian goalkeepers of all time, and as one of the best keepers of his generation. A powerful, athletic, and consistent goalkeeper, Peruzzi was renowned for his strength, positioning, and reactions, as well as his agility, despite his short and stocky physique; he particularly excelled at rushing off his line to parry the ball on the ground.

Irwin 96-99:- described by Sir Alex as his best pound for pound signing. It is impossible to find a game were Irwin was poor - they dont exsist.

Cole 09-12 :-
He is a defender who simply loves to attack. Defends, because he has to defend and because it is part of his job. Everybody loves to play with [him] because as soon as you won the ball back, he was up there to attack.

–Arsène Wenger

Stam 99-02 - strong quick powerful,one of the most complete defenders ever. Uefa defender of the year two years running.

Koeman -A composed player, Koeman was capable of being deployed both as a defenderand as a midfielder and he frequently played as a sweeper, due to his vision and his ability on the ball.One of the best attacking central defenders of all time, Koeman was renowned for his passing as well as his shooting accuracy and power from distance, especially on free kicks, and is the top scoring defender in world football;he was also an accurate penalty kick taker.

Hierro - Equally at ease as a central defender or defensive midfielder, he had the ability, at his peak, to combine solid defensive play with a near-unlimited passing range and surprising goalscoring talent,which made him one of the world's most sought-after players. With the Merengues, he won five La Liga and three UEFA Champions league trophies over the course of nearly 15 years.

Edwards :-
Physically, he was enormous. He was strong and had a fantastic football brain. His ability was complete – right foot, left foot, long passing, short passing. He did everything instinctively.

- Stoichkov was a creative, tenacious, and prolific left footed forward who was primarily deployed as a striker, but was also capable of playing in a creative role, as an attacking midfielder, due to his ability to provide assists for team-mates.He was deployed as a supporting striker throughout his career, forming a lethal strike partnership with Romário at Barcelona, and occasionally he played as a right winger during his time at the club, although he was also capable of playing on the left or through the A powerful, physically strong, technically gifted player, Stoichkov was known for his explosive acceleration, and his dribbling ability at speed, as well as for his tendency to take unpredictable, powerful shots on The top goalscorer at the 1994 world cup, he was also notable at taking free kicks and penalties as well as being a very good crosser and passer of the ball.


–Bobby Charlton 65-68

Donadoni :-Donadoni was a quick, complete, and talented wide midfielder, who was capable of playing on either wing or through the centre, although he was most frequently deployed on the right. Throughout his career he stood out for his pace, agility, and his outstanding technical ability; his acceleration, control,dribbling skills, and creativity allowed him to beat players with feints when undertaking individual runs. A hard-working, versatile, and energetic player, he was also known for his stamina, which allowed him to contirbute defensively as well as offensively. Donadoni possessed a unique capability to deliver accurate curling crosses to team-mates in the area, and was a powerful striker of the ball from distance with both feet, despite being naturally right footed.

Zidane :-




Aguero :-
 

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Formation and Overview:
  • Solid 4-5-1
  • World-class defense. "You shall not pass"
  • World-class midfield. Variety in attacking pattern. Equally great at defending
  • Demonic wingers tearing down both flanks. Can cross, can cut in, can score
  • Lethal striker upfront. Mobile, quick and strong. Can score in-and-out of box; left foot, right foot or header
  • Telepathy understanding between Brehme, Littbarski and Klinsmann
Defensive Line:
  • Peter Shilton, a commanding and reliable goalkeeper that wins me game
  • Defensive duo of John Charles and Bobby Moore - perfect match and compliment each other seamlessly. Charles is fast, strong and unpassable, while Moore has great positioning sense, reading of game and anticipation, capable of sniffing out any danger before it happens
  • Paul Janes, best defender before Beckenbauer, with excellent speed, positioning sense, ball control and power
  • Andreas Brehme, fantastic at defending and overlapping for goals and assists
Midfield:

Defense support
  • Frank Rijkaard. Best defensive midfielder of all time
  • Gerson. Often stays deep in midfield. Great in defensive duty
  • Alfredo Di Stefano. Capable of dropping back and organize the defense
Workrate
VERY HIGH. Especially Rikjaard and Di Stefano, covering most of the pitch from start till end, influencing the game. Gerson is no slouch either, moving around and making himself available all the time for passes. He used to play as attacking midfielder and can attack the space in front of him

Creativity/Play-making
  • Frank Rijkaard. Vision and ability to advance forward and score goals
  • Gerson. The brain of Brazil's 1970 WC winning team. Pulling the strings and orchestrate midfield from deep position
  • Alfredo Di Stefano. Skillful, world-class vision, first touch and ball control. Orchestrate attacking play, setting up his teammates to score or finishing the attacking sequence himself by scoring goals. 42 goals in 58 games for 2 seasons with Real Madrid (1957-58, 1958-59)
Attack:
  • Pierre Littbarski. Insane dribbling skill. Pacy, energetic, high work rate, great crosser. 31 goals in 67 games for 2 season with FC Koln (1981-1982, 1982-83)
  • Dragan Dzajic. One of greatest left winger of all time. Demonic dribbling skill, pacy, world-class technique and fantastic free-kick taker
  • Jurgen Klinsmann. World-class striker. Mobile, fast, lethal, always performs in big game. 32 goals in 59 games for 2 seasons with Stuttgart (1987-88, 1988-89), and 3 goals in FIFA World Cup 1990
Tactics

Assuming opponent plays 4-2-3-1

Defensive play
  • Rikjaard will stay close with Zidane, limiting his time and space on the ball
  • Gerson and Di Stefano to watch out for Tigana and Edwards in case they go forward
  • Littbarski and Dzajic to watch out for Cole and Irwin in case they go forward
  • Klinsmann to distract opponent's center backs
  • Janes and Brehme against opponent's wide forwards
  • Charles against opponent's lone striker
  • Moore to sniff out any danger from anywhere close to back line
Attacking play
  • Janes, Moore and Charles primarily stay behind, unless if there is a corner kick for Charles to exploit (see "Set Pieces" below)
  • Attacking options (could be either one, or combination of several):
    • Brehme overlapping on the left while Dzajic cuts in
    • Gerson supplying passes to any attacking player from deep midfield. He will have enough time and space especially with Rijkaard alongside for extra cover
    • Rijkaard to move the ball forward when there is space in front, starting an attack
    • Di Stefano orchestrating attacking play, constantly creating space for himself and teammates to score
    • Brehme, Dzajic or Littbarski supplying crosses for Klinsmann, who excels in air and always appears at right place in right moment
    • Klinsmann roams wide right, while Littbarski cuts in
Set Pieces
  • Free-kick away from goal: Gerson
  • Free-kick close to goal: Dzajic
  • Corner kick: Littbarski or Dzajic, with target man of Klinsmann or Charles for header; or Gerson with a thunderous shot from outside the box
 

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Goalkeeper and Defense
Peter Shilton (1978-1980) - England/Nottingham Forest

Major Honours
  • First Division: 1977–78
  • European Cup: 1978–79, 1979-1980
  • European Super Cup: 1979
  • First Division PFA Team of the Year: 1977–78, 1978–79, 1979-1980
  • PFA Players' Player of the Year: 1977–78
Strength
  • Excellent shot-stopping ability
  • Commanding
  • Reliable
Highlights
1) Peter Taylor (former Asst. Manager of Nottingham Forest): "Shilton wins you matches".
Forest conceded just 24 goals in 42 games to win league title in 1977/78

2) Bob Wilson (former Arsenal and Scotland keeper: "In that 1977-78 championship-winning season, Shilton was worth 15 points to Forest"

3) Shilton's string of magnificent saves, single-handedly won the game for Nottingham Forest in the 1980 European Cup final against Kevin Keegan's Hamburg





Paul Janes (1933-35) - Germany/Fortuna Düsseldorf

Major Honours
  • German championship: 1933
  • FIFA World Cup (Third Place): 1934
Strength
  • Powerful and accurate shooting ability
  • Calm and rarely caught off-guard on the pitch
  • Great anticipation
  • Great defensive play to build up the next attack
Highlights
Helmut Schön (author of "Fussball"): "Janes is a man who could fight but also able to play technically brilliant. He was gifted with a simply phenomenal spin kick; he scored countless goals with free kicks from 30 or 40 meters with his glass-hard shot"

Paul Janes was a defender for Fortuna Dusseldorf in 1930-1941 and 1947-1951. Between 1932 and 1942, he represented German national team a total of 71 times and remained the most capped player until the record was overtaken by Uwe Seeler in 1970's. He was a member of the legendary "Breslau Eleven" that defeated Denmark 8-0 in May 1937



As a little boy, Janes started playing first team football for his home club Jahn Küppersteg. At the age of 16 years, Janes was already regarded as a highly talented played

Janes' performance in a friendly match caught the eyes of Willi Pesch (1907-1940) and Stanislaus Kobierski (1910-1972) from Fortuna Dusseldorf, and gave him a trial at their club. Beginning of 1930, Jane was inducted into the ranks of Fortuna. Already a hit in his first friendly match, he finally moved up to the first team

In his first season in 1931, Paul Janes has established himself as right-back for Fortuna Dusseldorf and won the Western German football championship

In 1933, Paul Janes helped Fortuna Dusseldorf to win the German football championship. The championship final took place in the Müngersdorfer Stadium Cologne, in which Fortuna beat FC Schalke 04 3:0. Paul Janes was celebrated by the fans and the press as a "hero of Müngersdorf". Prior to final, Fortuna beat Rasensport Gleiwitz 9:0, Arminia Hannover 3:0 and Eintracht Frankfurt 4:0. Till this day, the victory in the Cup final in 1933 is the greatest success in the club's history of Fortuna

Janes was called up by Germany national team, and played his second international match in 10.22.1933. His impressive performance at 8:1 victory over Belgium cemented his status as an indispensable key players

The surprising third place finish at the FIFA World Cup in Italy 1934 was Janes' biggest international success. Although the German team, which has the youngest squad with an average age of 23 years, was considered as non-favourite in the World Cup, they won in an exciting game for third place against favorites Austria 3:2. Jane was one of the most outstanding player in the tournament

Janes was known by his coaches, as well as players and referees as affable and "easy-care". He was appreciated for his speed, positional sense, ball control and power, which most strikers feared

In 1937, Janes competed on the international stage again under the new coach Sepp Herberger. The German team was outstanding, winning ten of its eleven international matches. In 05/16/1937 at the stadium of the Silesian metropolis Wroclaw, German won 8:0 against Denmark. The German team celebrated football at its best. Denmark, who was actually a strong opponent, was literally swept off. The victory went down in history not only by the margin of victory, but also the exciting style of play especially from five-goal scorer Otto Siffling and Paul Janes as "Breslau Eleven". The superiority of the German team in 1937 made the "Breslau Eleven" one of the top favorites for the World Cup. However, the "annexation" of Austria in 12.3.1938 to the German Reich destroyed Paul Janes and his teammates' title dream. For political reasons, coach Sepp Herberger was forced to change the team's formation, and played six Germans and five Austrians in the starting eleven. Janes was forced to play in midfield. His team eventually lost to Switzerland 2:4 in second round

In his 71 internationals from 1932 to 1942, Janes scored seven goals and was able to record 41 wins and 14 draws. He wore the captain's armband in 31 games

The outbreak of World War II and the resulting adjustment of the international game operation interrupted his national career. It was only after the war ended in 1945, Janes returned to Dusseldorf and played from 1947 until end of his career in 1951, curtailed by injury. Overall, he completed another 73 games for Fortuna and scored 14 goals

Paul Janes died in 12.6.1987 due to heart failure. The old stadium of Fortuna Dusseldorf was renamed as Paul-Janes-Stadion in his honor

Andreas Brehme (1988-1990) - Germany/Inter Milan

Major Honours
  • Serie A: 1988–89
  • Supercoppa Italiana: 1989
  • FIFA World Cup: 1990
  • Guerin d'Oro (Serie A Footballer of the Year): 1989
  • FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 1990
  • Ballon d'Or – Third place: 1990
Strength
  • One of the best set-piece takers and delivery specialists of all-time
  • Excellent technique with both feet
  • Big-game player
  • Great pace and crossing ability
  • Determined, quick in tackle and very responsible towards the rest of his defenders
Highlight
Andreas Brehme in WC

Brehme's cross to Klinsmann


Brehme's goal

Bobby Moore (1966-1968) - England/West Ham United

Major Honours
  • FIFA World Cup: 1966
  • UEFA Euro (Bronze Medalist): 1968
  • FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 1966
  • 1966 FIFA World Cup Best Defender, European Defender of The Year
  • UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 1968
Strength
  • Composed
  • Fantastic reading of the game and ability to anticipate opposition movements
  • Great positional play, with uncanny intuitive sense for where the ball was headed
  • Unmatched timing in tackle, rarely off of his feet while winning the ball back for his team
Highlights
1) Pele: "He was my friend as well as the greatest defender I ever played against"

2) Jock Stein: "There should be a law against him. He knows what’s happening 20 minutes before everyone else”"

Moore performance (shirt no# 6)

Header clearance


Interception and passing to teammate


Tackle

John Charles (1957-1959) - Wales/Leeds United & Juventus

Major Honours
  • Serie A: 1958
  • Coppa Italia: 1959
  • FIFA World Cup Quarter-Finalist: 1958
  • Ballon d'Or (Third Place): 1959
Strength
  • All-rounder. A complete footballer
  • Blessed with immense height, physique, agility and strength
  • Unbeatable in air and unpassable on the ground
  • Quick and strong runner
  • Great passing ability, delicate first touch and ball control
Highlights
1. Michael Parkinson (broadcaster): "John Charles was the complete footballer. In Italy they would play him up front until he scored, then switch him to centre half to stop the other side scoring. That seems to me to be the perfect all rounder"

2. Sir Bobby Robson: "Where was he in the world's pecking order? He was right up there with the very, very best - Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Di Stefano, Best. But how many of them were world-class in two positions? The answer to that is easy - none"



 

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Midfield
Frank Rijkaard (1988-1990) - Netherlands/AC Milan

Major Honours
  • Supercoppa Italiana: 1988
  • European Cup: 1988–89, 1989–90
  • European Super Cup: 1989, 1990
  • UEFA European Championship: 1988
  • Ballon d'Or – Third place: 1988, 1989
  • 1988 European Championship Team Of Tournament
Strength
  • Tremendous determination and discipline
  • Excellent tactical intelligence, work rate, presence, strength and technique
  • Ability to start attacks and screen the defense line
  • Vision and ability to advance forward and score goals
Highlight



Gerson (1968-1970) - Brazil/Botafogo & Sao Paulo

Major Honours
  • FIFA World Cup: 1970
  • Taça Brasil: 1968
  • 1970 FIFA World Cup Best Midfielder
Strength
  • Wide range and precision passings
  • Fantastic vision, creativity and reading of the game
  • Great in defensive duty
  • Elegant style of play
  • Dictate tempo and control the game
  • High level of ball controlling skill
Highlights
Known as the "brain" behind Brazil’s 1970 WC win and nicknamed Canhotinha de Oura or the "golden left foot". A man-of-the-match performance against Italy in the final saw him score one and make another as Brazil ran out 4-1 winners.

Gerson WC 1970

Goal


Long-range passing led to goal

Alfredo Di Stefano (1957-1959) - Spain/Real Madrid

Major Honours
  • Primera División: 1957, 1958
  • European Cup: 1956–57, 1957–58, 1958–59
  • Pichichi Trophy: 1957, 1958, 1959
  • Ballon d'Or: 1957, 1959
  • European Cup Top Scorer: 1958 (10 goals)
  • Spanish Player of The Year: 1957, 1959
Strength
  • Team player. Backbone of his team
  • All-rounder. Tactical-versatile
  • Great influence on the entire teams performance level. Organize in midfield or even the defense before advancing to assist or score himself
  • Excellent work rate and high intensity. Constantly available to receive the ball and involve in play
  • Fantastic top scorer
  • World-class vision, ball control and first-touch
Quote
Pele: "People argue between Pele or Maradona. Di Stéfano is the best, much more complete"

Highlights
Di Stefano's Skills and Goals



 

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Forwards
Pierre Littbarski (1981-1983) - Germany/FC Koln

Major Honours
  • DFB-Pokal: 1982–83
  • German Cup: 1983
  • FIFA World Cup Runner-up: 1982
  • 1982 FIFA World Cup Top Assister (5 assists)
Strength
  • Brilliant dribbling abilities
  • Amazing close control
  • Explosive pace, allowing him to drive forward from deep and outpace defenders
  • Excellent technique with both feet
  • Great crosser
  • Fantastic work rate. Always on the run and looking to get involved
Highlights
"Against France in the semi-final of 1982 World Cup, the tricksy Littbarski embarking on a dangerous slalom into the French area in the first couple of minutes. Then on the quarter-hour, he battered a free-kick off the crossbar with such force the ball whistled straight back outside the box. Three minutes later he scored, firing low and hard through a thicket of legs after good work from Breitner and Fischer. It was Littbarski’s eighth goal in 13 appearances since debuting the previous autumn"

Who is Pierre Littbarski?

Littbarski's strong free kick that rattled the bar


Littbarski's goal



Littbarski's cross for equalizer

Dragan Dzajic (1968-70) - Yugoslavia/Red Star Belgrade

Major Honours
  • Yugoslav First League: 1967–68, 1968–69, 1969–70
  • Yugoslav Cup: 1967–68, 1969–70
  • UEFA European Championship (Runners-Up): 1968
  • UEFA Euro Player of the Tournament: 1968
  • UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 1968
  • Ballon d'Or (3rd place): 1968
Strength
  • Demonic dribbling skills with great pace
  • Brilliant ball control and technique
  • Superb free kick taker
  • Sharp eye for goal
  • Great crosser and fantastic precision in defense-splitting passes
Quote
Pele: "Dzajic is the Balkan miracle – a real wizard. I'm just sorry he's not Brazilian because I've never seen such a natural footballer"

Highlights
Dragan Dzajic Skills




Jurgen Klinsmann (1988-90) - Germany/VfB Stuttgart & Inter Milan

Major Honours
  • Supercoppa Italiana: 1989
  • FIFA World Cup: 1990
  • Bundesliga Top Goalscorer: 1987–88 (19 goals)
  • West German Footballer of the Year: 1988
  • FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 1990
Strength
  • Opportunist. Always in right location at the right time
  • Mobile. Able to roam into wide positions for assist
  • Excellent technique and deadly goal-scoring with both feet and head
  • Great speed
  • Strong in air
  • Big-game player
Highlights
Jurgen Klinsmann at Inter

Klinsmann roaming wide to create chance (1990 WC)


Klinsmann's goal from header (1990 WC)
 

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@green_smiley has equal or better players in every position. There is simply no contest for me. What's Donadoni doing in all-time draft without restrictions, I don't know, same with Aguero (maybe an even stranger choice, considering the strikers pool). I understand "the familiar names" approach, but it doesn't work, sorry @berbasloth4
 

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Was Gerson great in defensive duty though? It's mentioned 2 times and I don't recall it myself tbf.
 

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It can't be edited in, so I've deleted the entire poll. You can make a new poll under Thread tools, add poll at the top I think (or at least thats what modmins can see)
 

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It can't be edited in, so I've deleted the entire poll. You can make a new poll under Thread tools, add poll at the top I think (or at least thats what modmins can see)
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@green_smiley has equal or better players in every position. There is simply no contest for me. What's Donadoni doing in all-time draft without restrictions, I don't know, same with Aguero (maybe an even stranger choice, considering the strikers pool). I understand "the familiar names" approach, but it doesn't work, sorry @berbasloth4
Sadly have to agree which is a shame as Berbasloth has put together tactically a very spot on side, it is solid and I don't think despite the lesser names it would fail to put up a good fight here.

Hierro and Edwards is a brilliant shield in front of that defence and his full backs are solid, so the route to goal isn't that obvious.. Di Stefano will definitely have his work cut out here playing against two very solid CDMs.
 

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I do indeed.. good luck..

@harms dismissing donadoni considering how much quality he has in his deliveries is bit harsh.. also his work rate is fantastic and will help irwin out a lot..

I also have a very strong defensive united and goals throughout my whole side.. whether it is on the counter or through the wizardy of zidane I think I have alot going for me.
 

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I believe Stam and Koeman would be ideal partners, it is very similar to Stam/Frank de Boer where de Boer especially performed nearly perfectly. Koeman is a better player than de Boer overall and Berbasloth looks very comfortable at playing the ball from the back through Hierro/Koeman directly to the forwards.

Stoichkov and Donadoni are hard working wingers and with a great defense and central midfield around them it'd be very very difficult for Green_Smiley to break him down. GS just has too much of an advantage in terms of player quality to not win here though.
 

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I do indeed.. good luck..

@harms dismissing donadoni considering how much quality he has in his deliveries is bit harsh.. also his work rate is fantastic and will help irwin out a lot..

I also have a very strong defensive united and goals throughout my whole side.. whether it is on the counter or through the wizardy of zidane I think I have alot going for me.
Who is dismissing him? No one. But in this particular draft you can't just have a good-fitted team, with the insane quality of the pool, where literally every player is available, you have to match your opponent in individual quality as well as being spot on tactically. Donadoni just isn't good enough - he will do his job, but it won't be enough.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems berbasloth is heavily relying on individual brilliance to win the game. As for me, I have more detailed plan on how my players work together on top of their world-class quality, be it in attacking or defensive phase
 

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Don't know much about AdS. Was di Stefano ever play as a midfield playmaker as he is positioned here? From what I read, he was an all action forward that dropped deeper.

I think Berba's team is not getting enough credit here. With Hierro able to drop back he has sufficient protection and that leave Edwards to hound Gerson.
Gerson had clodoaldo to do the heavy lifting. Rijkaard is not the type that compliments Gerson imo.

Sadly, both teams strikers are quite underwhelming. Donadoni/Aguero though good are not good enough for all-time draft. Klinsmann is like Germany's Keegan. Not one you'd automatically vote for.
 

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Sadly, both teams strikers are quite underwhelming. Donadoni/Aguero though good are not good enough for all-time draft. Klinsmann is like Germany's Keegan. Not one you'd automatically vote for.
The thing that decided the game for me is that Aguero is asked to be the main goalscoring threat here, while Klinsmann is more of a distraction figure for Di Stefano. And Di Stefano provides a serious goalthreat, while Zidane isn't - he scored some goals, but he never was the main goalscorer in the team.

Di Stefano wasn't a midfield playmaker, but he isn't positioned as such, I believe. He should have a free role as he played all over the pitch, picking the ball from the defenders and finishing the moves in the opposition's box. I would like to see a more hardworking player here instead of Gerson, but they will do okay here. I don't think that there are modern analogies for Di Stefano or his role - a hardworking and defensively/physically superior Platini (with less playmaking, probably)?

Also, Edwards and Gerson are on the different sides of the pitch - if you want for Edwards to regularly press Gerson (which sounds like a good idea), you should swap him and Hierro (which doesn't sound like a good idea :()
 

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@green_smiley has equal or better players in every position. There is simply no contest for me. What's Donadoni doing in all-time draft without restrictions, I don't know, same with Aguero (maybe an even stranger choice, considering the strikers pool). I understand "the familiar names" approach, but it doesn't work, sorry @berbasloth4
Pretty much this. It's not a bad side obviously, but off the mark in an all-time draft.

Funny, when berbasloth told me not to run down Larsson I almost replied "it's not just Larsson, someone picked Agüero". Good thing I didn't :lol:
 

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Is stoichkov not a goal threat, koeman not either??

Aguero is the best striker in the world at the moment..
 

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Is stoichkov not a goal threat, koeman not either??

Aguero is the best striker in the world at the moment..
Stoichkov is, just like Dzajic is, and he is against Janes. Koeman is, and you will score here, I'm sure of it, but not enough - it's strange to simplify things as much as we do here in our discussions, but it's like I see it.

And Aguero isn't the best striker in the world. Ronaldo is, and then you have a whole pool of Lewa, Suarez, Aguero, Ibra who are around the same level.
 

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Don't know much about AdS. Was di Stefano ever play as a midfield playmaker as he is positioned here? From what I read, he was an all action forward that dropped deeper.

I think Berba's team is not getting enough credit here. With Hierro able to drop back he has sufficient protection and that leave Edwards to hound Gerson.
Gerson had clodoaldo to do the heavy lifting. Rijkaard is not the type that compliments Gerson imo.

Sadly, both teams strikers are quite underwhelming. Donadoni/Aguero though good are not good enough for all-time draft. Klinsmann is like Germany's Keegan. Not one you'd automatically vote for.
Di Stefano will not be limited as pure playmaker. I expect him to cover a lot of pitch, constantly involved in play and getting the ball, linking up the attack and finish it when chances arise
 

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The thing that decided the game for me is that Aguero is asked to be the main goalscoring threat here, while Klinsmann is more of a distraction figure for Di Stefano. And Di Stefano provides a serious goalthreat, while Zidane isn't - he scored some goals, but he never was the main goalscorer in the team.

Di Stefano wasn't a midfield playmaker, but he isn't positioned as such, I believe. He should have a free role as he played all over the pitch, picking the ball from the defenders and finishing the moves in the opposition's box. I would like to see a more hardworking player here instead of Gerson, but they will do okay here. I don't think that there are modern analogies for Di Stefano or his role - a hardworking and defensively/physically superior Platini (with less playmaking, probably)?

Also, Edwards and Gerson are on the different sides of the pitch - if you want for Edwards to regularly press Gerson (which sounds like a good idea), you should swap him and Hierro (which doesn't sound like a good idea :()
Ah, yeah. I was wrong about Edwards/Gerson.

But I'm still doubtful of his use of Di Stefano. OP states "Alfredo Di Stefano. Capable of dropping back and organize the defense". Forward dropping back to midfield is my opinion of him. Using him as a one man spine to the team is a bit of a stretch.

Edwards vs Rijkaard will be one for the books. As I mentioned, Gerson is better off with a DM who will hold shape and let him do the playmaking.
 

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Rijkaard vs edwards cant really happen?? Going to leave Zidane on his own??

I think I have the control in middle of the park with koeman stepping up as well.. there will always be someone there for di stefano.. his influence will be very limited. Gerson definitely isnt recognised for his working ability if he isnt going to help rijkaard with edwards and zidane.. it will be a long day..

Dzajic is without doubt one of the best wingers ever but Denis Irwin is up there with the greatest full backs ever, he doesnt have a weakness.

I am thinking with di stefanos influence going to be limited dzajic not getting the joy he likes. Where are the chances coming for klinsmann.. stam will be too much for him I believe..

I have goals from set pieces and open play.. fair enough aguero isnt the phenom or batistuta, but he is a great finisher and if he gets one chance he usually scores.
 

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I'm too young, but Klinsmann's peak doesn't seem too impressive. Played well in some big International Tournaments, but never came that close to a single 2 in 3 season. How was he as a creator for others?
 

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I'm too young, but Klinsmann's peak doesn't seem too impressive. Played well in some big International Tournaments, but never came that close to a single 2 in 3 season. How was he as a creator for others?
He was usually more the goalscorer.. liked to play on defenders shoulders decent in the air but vs stam and koeman he will struggle.. especially will there being little room for him to manoeuvre.
 

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I'm too young, but Klinsmann's peak doesn't seem too impressive. Played well in some big International Tournaments, but never came that close to a single 2 in 3 season. How was he as a creator for others?
I also always thought he was better in a 2..
 

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Ah, yeah. I was wrong about Edwards/Gerson.

But I'm still doubtful of his use of Di Stefano. OP states "Alfredo Di Stefano. Capable of dropping back and organize the defense". Forward dropping back to midfield is my opinion of him. Using him as a one man spine to the team is a bit of a stretch.

Edwards vs Rijkaard will be one for the books. As I mentioned, Gerson is better off with a DM who will hold shape and let him do the playmaking.
Except that that is exactly what set him apart from anyone else.
 

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the one player who is certainly out of place is Duncan Edwards, sorry but it is......i dont want to debate about it so i will stop it here but my opinion is that he should have been blocked at the start of the draft(any draft).

Will vote for green, think he has the better team even though i really, really dont like Klinsmann! Aguero gets the criticism but he is better player then Klinsmann. The only thing that helps Klinsmann is that he isnt used/picked only because of his goalscoring ability so thats goes in favour of green.
 

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the one player who is certainly out of place is Duncan Edwards, sorry but it is......i dont want to debate about it so i will stop it here but my opinion is that he should have been blocked at the start of the draft(any draft).
Yeah, it's not like he was already in Ballon D'Or shortlist at 20, was 3rd at 21 and we have actual match footage to base our judgement on (even if we disregard romanticized quotes of the greats about him).

 

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the one player who is certainly out of place is Duncan Edwards, sorry but it is......i dont want to debate about it so i will stop it here but my opinion is that he should have been blocked at the start of the draft(any draft).

Will vote for green, think he has the better team even though i really, really dont like Klinsmann! Aguero gets the criticism but he is better player then Klinsmann. The only thing that helps Klinsmann is that he isnt used/picked only because of his goalscoring ability so thats goes in favour of green.
Can you explain why???
 

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Yeah, it's not like he was already in Ballon D'Or shortlist at 20, was 3rd at 21 and we have actual match footage to base our judgement on (even if we disregard romanticized quotes of the greats about him).

What do you think his best position would have been going forwards.. looks a brilliant sweeper in that game.
 

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I think Hierro was largely confined to defence by 1997-2000. Although I'm not that arsed about that criterion, and the midfield trio is formidable. Aguero, Koeman and Irwin* are a little lightweight in this company. Well constructed back four though, very complementary partnerships.

*sorry Irish caftards don't shoot me.