British + Irish Draft : MJJ vs Edgar (Group D)

Who will win assuming all players are at their peak?


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................................................Team MJJ..................................................................Team Edgar..........................................
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MJJ's/Nair's Tactics-

MJJ/Nair said:
FORMATION 4-4-2 Midfield Diamond

A Strong, Versatile and Flexible team that can change depending on the passage of the game. My team is currently playing 4-4-2 midfield diamond but can easily changing to a 4-3-3 or a 4-4-2 depending on the phases of the game with hoddle and charlton perfectly capable of going wide when needed.

DEFENCE

HARRY GREGG- A survivor of the Munich air crash in February 1958, Gregg was one of the disaster’s great heroes.Having escaped with just a bloody nose, he went back into the wreckage to pull out those who were trapped. He rescued a 20-month-old child, a pregnant woman and attempted to revive Matt Busby.
It wasn't out of character. A real tough nut, Gregg was as vocal, commanding and abrasive as Peter Schmeichel would become three decades later. His bold personality and powerful physique had persuaded Busby to fork out £23,000 – then a world record fee for a goalkeeper – just three months before the crash

My side has a strong defense with Charlton and Thompson as the central defenders and Raisebeck sitting in front of them. Liverpool Skipper Thompson was a brilliant defender at his peak, famously silencing malcolm macdonald and being part of a defense that only conceded 16 goals in 1979. His partner is a world cup winning defender Jack Charlton and one of the finest central defenders produced in the british isles.

Sitting in front of them is Alexandre "The Great" Raisbeck who is widely considered the first star player of Liverpool. Blessed with both physical and technical skills, Raisbeck was extremely quick and opposition forwards rarely had any joy from him. Playing in the centre half position, he is perfect for the modern DM role and will help my side maintain possession and allow the talent of my attackers to flourish.
"Let us recall his characteristics. Tall, lithe, sinuous, and yet gifted with muscular and physical development beyond the ordinary. Active to a degree, speed either on the turn or in flight, and with niche, at the addition of resourcefulness and judgement that would have been all sufficient in a other player, without those added gifts, methodical in training, painstaking in preparation, genial with his players and considerate with his committee. With a perfect blending of the qualities that to make a really great player!

"Raisbeck was wholeheartedly a destroyer of attacks when it came from the opposing wing. We have said that he was speed in turn and on the run. We might amplify this and say, that we have never seen in England, a speedier half-back, who could tackle a speedy forward, turn with him, and overtake and tackle him again. There may be and may have been others so gifted. We have not seen them. His judgement was sound, his valour outstanding and, naturally for a half-back, his control and placing of the ball was equally confident. During his playing career at Anfield, he had to meet forwards whose names and records were outstanding in the history of the game, and yet of one of them could it be said that they were the superior or master of Raisbeck's defensive play. His temperament rarely failed him, no matter how vigorous the play he had to meet.

On the flanks, I have the English Legend Ray Wilson, widely regarded as one of the finest left backs produced. Wilson was renowned for his vision, passing ability and surging runs down the left flank. Interestingly wilson was never booked for a foul till he was 32 and even that was for dissent. Giving one an idea of his pace and positioning.

On his opposite flank is Alf Sherwood or the king of sliding tackles. Sherwood was blessed with pace and positioning sense .Matthews described Sherwood as the most difficult opponent he ever played against.


MIDFIELD

As mentioned earlier Raisbeck is going to be sitting in front of the defense, in front of him will be robson and hoddle.Robson is in his prefferred box to box role and hoddle will be playing in a role that he considers his best position.

At the tip of the diamond is the legend bobby charlton who will have a free role to dominate the game.

B.ROBSON- The greatest box-to-box midfielder of his generation set out a blueprint for future iterations of the all-conquering marauding midfield general in an illustrious 13-season reign at Old Trafford. But what ultimately pushed him beyond the realms of the ordinary was his lung-busting work ethic, dogged determination and unrelenting desire to haul his team toward victory. 'Captain Marvel', as he was known, wouldn't stop until the job was done, and in most cases, he got his way. A hero to a generation of Reds at a time when, even if things didn't go our way, at least we had Robbo.

G.HODDLE -Most gifted English footballers of his generation exhibiting "sublime balance and close control, unrivalled passing and vision and extraordinary shooting ability, both from open play and set pieces"

B.CHARLTON- Regarded as one of the greatest midfieldersof all time, and an essential member of the England team who won theWorld Cupand also won theBallon d'Orin 1966. Well known for his attacking instincts and passing abilities from midfield and his ferocious long-range shot. He was also well known for his fitness and stamina.

Attack-

K.DAGLISH-(Of all the players I have played alongside, managed and coached in more than four decades, he is the most talented.Bob Paisley on Kenny Dalglish)

Supported by Norman Whiteside in striker role-"I felt the excitement that is felt by watching a player of the highest class. He had self-assurance that was extraordinary in a twenty-one year old. The excellence of his technique gave him easy mastery of the ball and he had the gift of making time for himself in the stamp of quality. He was an island of composure, looking up and unhurriedly making his decisions. He rarely surrendered possession and he increased the angle and weight of his passes so well that the receiver never had to fight the ball. His eyes were as cold as steel and he had the temperament to match. As a player he was close to the genius category."

My strikers are Daglish and Whiteside, both talented and hardworking players who are going to dominate most of the back lines. The fact that both are very comfortable on the ball should help my side retain possession as well and by playing a diamond I am allowing B.Charlton to flourish and that should win most games for m.e




SUB : LEE DIXON, PAUL BEARDSLEY & NAT LOFTHOUSE

Edgar's Tactics-
Formation & Strategy:

5-4-1.

A counter attacking setup, that emphasises on solid defence with counter attack through the flanks. Extra man solidifies the defence and wing backs linking up and overlapping with the midfielders who themselves are versatile to play inside and outside provides flexibility and lethality to the attack.

Defence:

Gemmell .. Hughes .. McGrath .. Brown .. Cohen

+ Paul McGrath was versatile and has been employed in midfield on numerous occasions. He has the skill set and freedom to beef up the defence and/or to move up and support the midfield. His intelligence, athleticism and natural skill would complement this role he will be playing perfectly.
+ Both Hughes and Brown are natural CB's, but have also operated successfully as fullbacks in respective flanks. Perfect fit for the role.
+ Gemmell is not stranger to supporting middle (and scoring goals) and Cohen has excelled in winger-less formations before. Their attacking tendencies and defensive awareness makes for perfect wing-backs.

It is quite common to underrate Wes Brown in a all time draft, understandably so. Noticed as "without question the best natural defender this club has had for years" by none other than Sir Alex Ferguson, he would have had a far more stellar career if not for his injuries. Sandwiched between McGrath and Cohen he will deliver a solid output without question.


Midfield:

.. Brady ....... McManaman
.............. Stiles .............


+ Stiles's screening role would make the defence impregnable.
+ The defensive solidity provided by the extra man gives far more attacking freedom to Brady and McManaman. The wing backs overlapping runs would support and enhance their own creativity. With more attacking role, I wouldn't be surprised if the end up on the score sheet too.
+ Gazza. With Brady (and McManaman) beasting the creative attack behind, Gazza is totally free to move up and support the attack much more often.

Attack:

............ Owen .............
.......... Gascoigne ..........


I have intentionally placed Gazza in attack, rather than the midfield for this game. He has total freedom to drop back and create and to move on his runs to score/assist. His workrate coupled with Owen's lethality inside the box would definitely result in goals.
 
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Don't think much of the cbs though. Especially not Eds.
 

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MJJ's team is stronger than I thought it would be. One major drawback I see is that he has too many players who would like to play through the middle, none who are natural out wide. Edgar's two in Brady and Mcmanaman are handy in that regard.

Essentially it will be up to Stiles and Mcgrath to take care of Dalglish and Charlton.
 

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Very interesting line-ups - lots to take in here.

The first thing which struck me was: Nobby on Bobby!

Which makes that trio in the middle of Ed's defence look a bit overkill-ish, possibly.

I'd personally switch Robbo and Hoddle - horizontally, that is, not vertically: Robbo slightly deeper than Hoddle, but on the left. Not a big deal - just looks more, er, right to me.

Interesting choice up front too - I'm not sure about that one at all. What it looks like to me - first impression wise - is two deep lying forwards/second strikers teamed up...and why? Why not Lofthouse? Whiteside might be a vote puller here, I get that - but still.

Just first impressions, mind - like I said, there's a lot going on here and I haven't gotten my head round this one at all.
 

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whiteside is there because of nationality restrictions tbf although he had the physical attributes to play as a number nine.

hoddle is supposed to be on the right along with Sherwood, is that not the case?
 

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with hoddle and charlton perfectly capable of going wide when needed.
Not sure I quite buy that: Charlton certainly is capable of it, but Hoddle doesn't strike me as too likely to be roaming out wide much. Out of the two CMs in that diamond I'd actually say that Robbo is the more likely candidate for drifting wide(ish) - or rather, that he certainly is capable of doing it if that's what he's instructed to do.
 

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As Chester said, alot to wrap one's head around here. Initial thoughts are that MJJ has assembled an outrageously talented set of attackers, but they all seem as if they'll want to occupy similar areas of the pitch. Bar Charlton, who is playing deeper, there's a distinct lack of defence-stretching pace too. I could see this attack playing much of their football in front of Edgar's packed defence. and Edgar has options in terms of counter-attacking. On his part, Brown is an underwhelming choice, but I don't see him as an outright weakness with Hughes and McGrath beside him.
 

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whiteside is there because of nationality restrictions tbf although he had the physical attributes to play as a number nine.

hoddle is supposed to be on the right along with Sherwood, is that not the case?
He's on the left in the formation pic - there's something off there, mate. You've got Wilson on the right - surely you want him at LB and Sherwood on the opposite side?
 

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As Chester said, alot to wrap one's head around here. Initial thoughts are that MJJ has assembled an outrageously talented set of attackers, but they all seem as if they'll want to occupy similar areas of the pitch. Bar Charlton, who is playing deeper, there's a distinct lack of defence-stretching pace too. I could see this attack playing much of their football in front of Edgar's packed defence. and Edgar has options in terms of counter-attacking. On his part, Brown is an underwhelming choice, but I don't see him as an outright weakness with Hughes and McGrath beside him.
Yes - that's a point to be made here, I reckon. Dalglish is no speedster, Hoddle certainly isn't and Big Norm isn't an outright pacey player either (which isn't to say he's sluggish, of course, but still).

That said, what I can see happening here is that Big Norm might do a bit of stretching nevertheless - drift out wide a bit, dragging whoever is on him along: That's plausible, in my opinion.
 

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He's on the left in the formation pic - there's something off there, mate. You've got Wilson on the right - surely you want him at LB and Sherwood on the opposite side?
ah feck sakes, mani you should know the difference :@

can someone change it and upload correct image please.
 

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As expected, all his attacks would have to go through the middle where it meets the brick wall of my defense.

The 3 man defense may look like a overkill, but considering his options and quality of attackers, I think it's justified. The most important part is that it frees up the flanks for my counter. He has no specialist wide players and the overlapping runs will lead straight to his defense.

With that kind of wide support, both Brady and McManaman will have the time and skill to create and Owen is excellent in slipping off the back 4 to score.
 

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Alex Raisbeck was a centre back, right? Did he ever play DM?
He was a DM labelled as a centre half back then. Wiki's wrong, he's not a defender. Check Liverpoolhistory (they have a separate site for their history :lol:) site on their profile on him. Pretty detailed.
 

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He was a DM labelled as a centre half back then. Wiki's wrong, he's not a defender. Check Liverpoolhistory (they have a separate site for their history :lol:) site on their profile on him. Pretty detailed.
Well, not entirely wrong - if we're talking 2-3-5 (and we are when it comes to Raisbeck), a centre half usually stayed on the other side's centre forward - and in that sense he was very much a defender. Still, it ain't wrong to call him a midfielder either, because that's where he played - in the middle of the park - and centre halves were commonly ball players to a much greater extent than the pure defenders (the fullbacks, that is).

So, yeah - fielding a famous centre half as a defensive midfielder, shielding the back four, is as plausible as it gets.
 

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you can't have it both ways if your midfielders are going wide then I will easily dominate the middle. as stiles Would be busy with the best player on the pitch I will easily
dominate the middle and create more chances. .
the fact that. you are playing. with wingbacks means my fullbacks won't ever get over like loaded either.
unless you leave three at the back which iwill be a disaster.
 

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by going too defensive eap has basically conceded the advantage to me, if I am ever leading I can simply knock the ball around in the middle since he only has stiles as a dedicated ball winner who is busy with Charlton.

if it stays even I still will have more control of the middle since my midfielders are significantly better in the center and again can dictate tempo while awaiting for an opening.

the only chance he has If his fullbacks constantly attack since both of my fullbacks are excellent one on one but that will leave him exposed at the back which brings me back to my point about leading.

also consider that daglish and rush made an excellent partnership whicv I feel can and will be replicated by daglish and whiteside.
 

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he has Owen against my two cbs and one of macca /brady against my fullbacks. I will always have two men spare at the back meaning it will be very hard for him to score.

gazza will have raisback to contend with who will help out in defense .
 

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you can't have it both ways if your midfielders are going wide then I will easily dominate the middle. as stiles Would be busy with the best player on the pitch I will easily
dominate the middle and create more chances. .
the fact that. you are playing. with wingbacks means my fullbacks won't ever get over like loaded either.
unless you leave three at the back which iwill be a disaster.
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Brady & McM are intelligent footballers. Give them some credit. I don't think they would be loitering out wide when you have the ball. With their workrate, there'll be no chance of you 'dominating' the middle.

Imo, for a diamond to be balanced and work perfectly, it requires 2 things from it's players
1) Midfielder capable of operating in wide areas giving flexibility. -
Your midfielders are not versatile enough to do that.
2) Fullbacks to provide the supporting width. - Here your full backs have a choice. If they move up to provide width, they become vulnerable on the counter, playing right into my strategy. They can stay back which further imbalances your midfield.

Either way your game play is one dimensional and predictable. My defenders know what to expect and will face no surprises.

- Your strength through the middle is offset by a extra central defender.
+ My strength (double teaming on the flanks) has no opposition from you.
 

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Not sure I quite buy that: Charlton certainly is capable of it, but Hoddle doesn't strike me as too likely to be roaming out wide much. Out of the two CMs in that diamond I'd actually say that Robbo is the more likely candidate for drifting wide(ish) - or rather, that he certainly is capable of doing it if that's what he's instructed to do.
Hoddle can easily play on those wide areas,he's two footed, great passing range.

"The 1979–80 campaign heralded the emergence of Hoddle as a top-class player; the 22-year-old midfielder scored 19 goals in 41 league appearances and was deservedly awarded the PFA Young Player of the Year award at the end of the season. Hoddle's attacking skills, utilised both in the center of midfield and on the wing, were simply breathtaking and often at odds with the ingrained British football philosophy of tireless running and a strong work ethic. His sublime balance and close control, unrivalled passing and vision and extraordinary shooting ability, both from open play and set pieces, made Hoddle the most gifted English player of his generation"
-wiki

When need arises formation can easily change to 4-2-3-1, with Charlton moving to left and Hoddle to right with Dalglish behind Whiteside.
 

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Two very similar teams here but Edgar has a slight tactical edge in my eyes. He has a RCM and LCM who can both drift wide on occasion as well as stay centrally and when they do drift wide he makes up for it by having an extra man there especially for those moments.

Charlton and Robson, the best players on the pitch but there will be a clear focus on them considering there is no wide threat from MJJ here. Quality wise it is advantage MJJ but overall I think Edgar has a wider spectrum of threats. He'll be dangerous out wide, and that means Owen and Gascoigne gets more space centrally than if he was going to attack centrally every attack of the game pretty much.

Also not sure about the Dalglish-Charlton-Robson side there, with two wingers stretching the pitch they'd be match winning penetrating centrally but with little space to contest on, less so.
 

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by going too defensive eap has basically conceded the advantage to me, if I am ever leading I can simply knock the ball around in the middle since he only has stiles as a dedicated ball winner who is busy with Charlton.

if it stays even I still will have more control of the middle since my midfielders are significantly better in the center and again can dictate tempo while awaiting for an opening.

the only chance he has If his fullbacks constantly attack since both of my fullbacks are excellent one on one but that will leave him exposed at the back which brings me back to my point about leading.

also consider that daglish and rush made an excellent partnership whicv I feel can and will be replicated by daglish and whiteside.
Much as I love Whiteside (he was easily my favourite United player alongside Robbo back in the day), he clearly isn't a striker of Rush's calibre. Rush was deadly in the box, a top class finisher - Whiteside was nothing like that. I'll give you that Whiteside CAN play as a No 9, but he is obviously nowhere near the best in that position in this draft: His best role would be something similar to the one Dalglish plays here - which is a problem for you.

But I agree that Edgar has a problem - not sure exactly what that problem is, but it's there - with this defensive wall plus side backs approach of his. I don't like it. More to follow.
 

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As to your other points.

# They are called wing backs because they are defenders providing width. Their defensive contribution is a given, so leaving back 3 alone is absurd.

# With Gemmell and Cohen relatively unchallenged by your midfield, Brady and McManaman can drift inside. Raisbeck will have hands full with Gazza and both Brady and McManaman are capable of orchestrating attack themselves.

# I can pass the ball faster on a counter than it takes for your midfielders to run back. Your midfield is just not suitable to prevent that regularly.

# Whiteside is no Ian Rush. Norman has 60 odd goals from near 300 appearances. Best was a 14 goal season. Kenny also was a SS. Both are better teamed with a poacher and not with each other.

With a one dimensional midfield and imbalanced strikers, the only thing you have going for you is Sir Bobby's reputation in a United forum. Big names in a bad setup, tbh.
 

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Hoddle can easily play on those wide areas,he's two footed, great passing range.

"The 1979–80 campaign heralded the emergence of Hoddle as a top-class player; the 22-year-old midfielder scored 19 goals in 41 league appearances and was deservedly awarded the PFA Young Player of the Year award at the end of the season. Hoddle's attacking skills, utilised both in the center of midfield and on the wing, were simply breathtaking and often at odds with the ingrained British football philosophy of tireless running and a strong work ethic. His sublime balance and close control, unrivalled passing and vision and extraordinary shooting ability, both from open play and set pieces, made Hoddle the most gifted English player of his generation"
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When need arises formation can easily change to 4-2-3-1, with Charlton moving to left and Hoddle to right with Dalglish behind Whiteside.
Not questioning his passing range - rather his pace. To me he's clearly best suited to a central role, but there you go. You can't have too much of this "yes, but he can easily do a job there" business. There isn't anything like natural width (for lack of a better term) in that diamond of yours - you end up having to sell "Hoddle can drift wide, Charlton can roam out on the wing" and it's not too convincing in my opinion.
 

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Daligish, Robson and Bobby Charlton is some set of players and looks too much for Edgar to handle in the middle IMO. Steve McManaman will offer more natural width but I think that's getting a bit overplayed.

Not a big fan of Owen either, particularly as a lone striker because his hold up is pretty non existent. Owen was never a technical player and I think he'll struggle to retain possession at times.
 

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Daligish, Robson and Bobby Charlton is some set of players and looks too much for Edgar to handle in the middle IMO. Steve McManaman will offer more natural width but I think that's getting a bit overplayed.

Not a big fan of Owen either, particularly as a lone striker because his hold up is pretty non existent. Owen was never a technical player and I think he'll struggle to retain possession at times.
Their reputations are so. But they are being utilized improperly. As Chester mentions, there's a lot of 'can also do a good job there' happening here.

Agree he will get to play in front of my defense but with my set up it will just be a overcrowded area and without a proper finisher, he will suffer.
 

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Two very similar teams here but Edgar has a slight tactical edge in my eyes. He has a RCM and LCM who can both drift wide on occasion as well as stay centrally and when they do drift wide he makes up for it by having an extra man there especially for those moments.

Charlton and Robson, the best players on the pitch but there will be a clear focus on them considering there is no wide threat from MJJ here. Quality wise it is advantage MJJ but overall I think Edgar has a wider spectrum of threats. He'll be dangerous out wide, and that means Owen and Gascoigne gets more space centrally than if he was going to attack centrally every attack of the game pretty much.

Also not sure about the Dalglish-Charlton-Robson side there, with two wingers stretching the pitch they'd be match winning penetrating centrally but with little space to contest on, less so.
Fair points, I'd say.

One major point of concern for me, however, would be that Gazza could end up being overly obstructed by our friend the old school centre half: In a sense MJJ/Mani operate with an extra defender too. And he's right on top of Gazza by the looks of it.

What Edgar loses from sporting Brown back there is, in a word, Hughes - who would cause considerable trouble up there with his physicality and his tenacity, causing that extra bit of distraction which would benefit both Gazza and Owen. What he actually gains from sporting Brown - is a bit unclear to me. He's got Stiles on Charlton. And then there's three bloody CBs there to deal with...what exactly? Kenny and Whiteside? Plus the odd run into the box from Robbo, granted, but still. I don't quite understand why this model would work any better than simply instructing the fullbacks to be less offensive - offensively he still has the edge on the flanks, if that's the issue.
 

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Fair points, I'd say.

One major point of concern for me, however, would be that Gazza could end up being overly obstructed by our friend the old school centre half: In a sense MJJ/Mani operate with an extra defender too. And he's right on top of Gazza by the looks of it.

What Edgar loses from sporting Brown back there is, in a word, Hughes - who would cause considerable trouble up there with his physicality and his tenacity, causing that extra bit of distraction which would benefit both Gazza and Owen. What he actually gains from sporting Brown - is a bit unclear to me. He's got Stiles on Charlton. And then there's three bloody CBs there to deal with...what exactly? Kenny and Whiteside? Plus the odd run into the box from Robbo, granted, but still. I don't quite understand why this model would work any better than simply instructing the fullbacks to be less offensive - offensively he still has the edge on the flanks, if that's the issue.
I will come in and check the discussion later on, I am also interested how the teams will line up in the defense here as usually the defensive tactic is rarely mentioned at all. I think it will be quite crucial though!

Don't want to answer for Edgar, so will see what he says but I can see how McGrath playing would be good for him.
 

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Whiteside is no Ian Rush. Norman has 60 odd goals from near 300 appearances. Best was a 14 goal season. Kenny also was a SS. Both are better teamed with a poacher and not with each other.
This is your best card. Combine that with the - in my opinion - legitimate claim that neither Hoddle nor Robbo are ideally suited to that diamond format, and you've done well for yourself.

Now, as I see it you can set up precisely as they do here - only with a more functional, organic diamond and a better matched pair of strikers. So, why Wesley? It almost looks as though he's some sort of extra insurance against the power of Sir Bob - but what you gain there isn't worth it, in my opinion. You don't need this doubling-up-on-the-wing lark, you can play as you did in the last match - I don't see why not.

Gazza is in danger of being too much hassled by the old fella in my opinion. And you absolutely need Gazza on song here - I fully agree with Theon that Owen is questionable as a lone striker. So - Hughes. There it is.

All that said, I still have you ahead here, even with the three amigos at the back. But I do question that move.
 

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Any particular reason why you went with Brown EAP? Esp when the likes of Foulkes and Martin Buchan from United alone went unpicked?

I actually like your formation tbh. Your wing backs are adventurous, excellent attacking wise and will be able to provide width in these roles.

I also think using Brown there allows more freedom for McGrath to push up slightly forward, into the zones of Dalglish and Whiteside. Mjj's attack is rather centrally oriented one and I for one can understand why you went with your current formation.
 

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This is your best card. Combine that with the - in my opinion - legitimate claim that neither Hoddle nor Robbo are ideally suited to that diamond format, and you've done well for yourself.

Now, as I see it you can set up precisely as they do here - only with a more functional, organic diamond and a better matched pair of strikers. So, why Wesley? It almost looks as though he's some sort of extra insurance against the power of Sir Bob - but what you gain there isn't worth it, in my opinion. You don't need this doubling-up-on-the-wing lark, you can play as you did in the last match - I don't see why not.

Gazza is in danger of being too much hassled by the old fella in my opinion. And you absolutely need Gazza on song here - I fully agree with Theon that Owen is questionable as a lone striker. So - Hughes. There it is.

All that said, I still have you ahead here, even with the three amigos at the back. But I do question that move.
Agree with what you say here. My thoughts when I was predicting his formation was...

1) His ONLY attack path is through the middle. Extra insurance as you put it helps counter whatever fan votes Bobby and Robbo may get in a United Forum.

2) His weakness is flanks. The wing back setup is far more effective at exploiting that than a traditional back 4.

3) The extra man in defense and Stiles enables Brady and McManaman to attack more. Even in Gazza has interference from Raisbeck, these 2 can smoothly step in and run the play. Both are capable of the sublime.

4) the same can be achieved in a different way with Hughes, but having a body in the middle puts pressure on Robbo and Hoddle and does not let them have a easy time.

It was a two part strategy on negating his advantage and playing to my strength.

And as is evident, his unbalanced strike combo and inflexible midfield tilts things further my way.
 

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It can't be ignored any longer. One of the teams here sport this twat on the bench:

 

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His attack vs my defense :

With Stiles there I don't think Bobby will have time and space to cause too much damage. This leads to Kenny dropping back to create and that's where McGrath does his job in shackling him. Again not much time or space.

His only attack routes are Hoddle passes and Robbo runs, which only has Whiteside who is not a prolific goalscorer of the type my opponent needs. Anyway he has Brown and Hughes to deal with.

No direct or easy routed for goals.

My attack vs his defense :

Gemmell and Cohen moving up to middle causes confusion to his fullbacks. Stay and cover in case Brady/McManaman drifts or move up to stop my fullbacks?

Assuming Raisbeck on Gazza. If Brady and McManaman cut in and both are capable of doing so, we just pass Gazza and move directly to Owen. He needs support from Robbo and Hoddle to backtrack and cover. Not suitable in quick counters.

Owen is lethal inside the box. Brady and McManaman have the sublime skills to thread passes regularly to Owen.

Goals.
 

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A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
Fair points, I'd say.

One major point of concern for me, however, would be that Gazza could end up being overly obstructed by our friend the old school centre half: In a sense MJJ/Mani operate with an extra defender too. And he's right on top of Gazza by the looks of it.

What Edgar loses from sporting Brown back there is, in a word, Hughes - who would cause considerable trouble up there with his physicality and his tenacity, causing that extra bit of distraction which would benefit both Gazza and Owen. What he actually gains from sporting Brown - is a bit unclear to me. He's got Stiles on Charlton. And then there's three bloody CBs there to deal with...what exactly? Kenny and Whiteside? Plus the odd run into the box from Robbo, granted, but still. I don't quite understand why this model would work any better than simply instructing the fullbacks to be less offensive - offensively he still has the edge on the flanks, if that's the issue.
Fair points, as always (except for claiming you'd outscore Skizzo and I :D), but I can't help but like Edgar's tactics here. I guess the way I see it is that he's set himself up really well to keep MJJ's attacking threat in front of his defence rather than behind. The 3 man defence means that any one of those quick, tenacious tacklers can afford to aggressively attack whoever is in possession for MJJ and they've still got a solid defensive shape behind them. The lack of Hughes up front definitely denies them the easy long ball and subsequent quality hold-up play, so he's very reliant on quick, accurate passing to spring his defence and set Owen free. I don't view that as an insurmountable problem. Owen easily has the pace and movement to outfox Charlton and Thompson at least a few times, and I reckon Brady, McManaman and Gazza have the ball carrying and final pass to find him.

I fully expected that I'd vote for MJJ in this game, but I'm edging towards Edgar for now.
 

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Has been a great discussion in this thread so far. Tactically interesting as well as factually!
 

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I fully expected that I'd vote for MJJ in this game, but I'm edging towards Edgar for now.
Second that.

EAP's team is a strange one for me. I don't particularly like it, apart from McGrath, Styles and Brady, but somehow I'm voting for them second time in a row. Great chemistry there.