[NZT-One]

Those are extremely cherry picked metrics. I guarantee I can pick some metrics for the most elite players that are middle of the pack as well.

They aren't cherry picked at all. Somebody dragged in a stat where Bruno is 3rd best player in PL in recoveries. I go to fbref, look at his defensive stats (not some, I copy'd all of them in here) and see that he rather below average in most them (not even a dig he is a lightweight AM playing in CM so I don't expect those numbers to be anything to look forward to) so I ask if anybody has an idea how thats possible. How can somebody be 3rd best in something when fbref says he is average across the defensive stats. Either fbref numbers are bad or wrong (unlikely) or the player in the other top 5 leagues are way better than the PL ones (unlikely) or the recovery stat is somehow skewed. So you wanting to tell me I cherry picked stats is kind of odd.

If you can't answer the question, don't do so

Hope he can consolidate himself in that 8 position in the remaining games of the season. Him there with Mainoo to study and Casemiro as backup leaves the 8 position looking very good.

You should watch football games of other teams from time to time. Then you'd know what a crazy statement you just made.

*edit: just re-read and haven't seen that you said "in the remaining games of the season". I still struggle to accept calling it "looking very good" but for the rest of the season I would retract my statement. I'd do literally but since I have been quoted already...)

 

[lex talionis]

Can there be any reasonable doubt that Bruno Miguel Borges Fernandes is United's only world class footballer?

 

[Pickle85]

now put that in relative numbers

You've got Google too I assume? Crack on I'd say.

 

[Pickle85]

They aren't cherry picked at all. Somebody dragged in a stat where Bruno is 3rd best player in PL in recoveries. I go to fbref, look at his defensive stats and see that he rather below average in most them (not even a dig he is a lightweight AM playing in CM) so I ask if anybody has an idea how thats possible. How can somebody be 3rd best in something when fbref says he is average across the defensive stats. Either fbref numbers are bad or wrong (unlikely) or the player in the other top 5 leagues are way better than the PL ones (unlikely) or the recovery stat is somehow skewed. So you wanting to tell me I cherry picked stats is kind of odd.

You should watch football games of other teams from time to time. Then you'd know what a crazy statement you just made.

You really can be a patronizing ass, can't you?

 

[NZT-One]

You really can be a patronizing ass, can't you?

I learned from the best in here. And careful with the swearwords.

Wasn't a long break for you, didn't you say you wanted to stay away from this thread because it brought out certain sides of you?

 

[Grande]

Yeah…

Poster goes into 18 year olds match day thread and says he thought said 18 year old making full league debut was MOTM

Another poster sees that comes to Bruno’s thread demanding my assesment of Bruno’s performance, then for three days rants that everyone must agree that Bruno MOTM every metric is Bruno, even toe poked challenge for ball must be recognised as noteworthy assist.

Clearly the way I describe what happen is the unhinged part. Yeah.

Yea, tbh I think so.

 

[Pickle85]

I learned from the best in here. And careful with the swearwords.

Wasn't a long break for you, didn't you say you wanted to stay away from this thread because it brought out certain sides of you?

Swearwords?!

I did say that, but then I saw this and got annoyed:

'You should watch football games of other teams from time to time.'

How does that come across to you?

 

[NZT-One]

Can there be any reasonable doubt that Bruno Miguel Borges Fernandes is United's only world class footballer?

World class isn't a standardized term mate so everybody will have different opinions on that. That being said, I haven't seen anybody dispute for quite some time that Bruno is the best player United has right now. So not sure what exactly leads to your question

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

This is kind of a terrible time to be a United fan. The team is absolutely shit and has been for a while now with the bad period likely to last for a while now. In all this shit there's just this one guy who kind of still gives me the old joy and even his thread is full of so much debate about if he is actually good or not. Sad times

 

[NZT-One]

Swearwords?!

I did say that, but then I saw this and got annoyed:

'You should watch football games of other teams from time to time.'

How does that come across to you?

Isn't ass a swearword? I don't mind that, maybe it is a figure of speech I am not aware of yet.

And fyi: I just edited the post that led to your reaction

 

[Pickle85]

World class isn't a standardized term mate so everybody will have different opinions on that. That being said, I haven't seen anybody dispute for quite some time that Bruno is the best player United has right now. So not sure what exactly leads to your question

@LeonDion to confirm

 

[Pickle85]

Isn't ass a swearword? I don't mind that, maybe it is a figure of speech I am not aware of yet.

And fyi: I just edited the post that led to your reaction

I wouldn't say so, but happy to be corrected.

I know you edited but how did that post come across to you?

 

[lex talionis]

World class isn't a standardized term mate so everybody will have different opinions on that. That being said, I haven't seen anybody dispute for quite some time that Bruno is the best player United has right now. So not sure what exactly leads to your question

My question arises from the fact that somewhere on this forum there's a thread that characterizes Bruno as "the problem" or some nutty words to that effect.

 

[Eplel]

Guys, stop praising Bruno, you're hurting @NZT-One 's feelings.

 

[NZT-One]

@LeonDion to confirm

I thought you didn't like that side of you? The pedantic one? Even if Leon disagrees - what would it change? It is one user.

I wouldn't say so, but happy to be corrected.

Well I can't tell, as you know, foreigner with just basic language skills

I know you edited but how did that post come across to you?

How did my own post come across to me?

I expressed the feelings I had. Nothing more nothing less. I had overread that the poster made a restriction to "this season" so I thought it was a general statement. That initiated my reaction. Was it too much? I don't know anymore - the recent conflicts in here came from the fact that 3(!!!) people saw other players than Bruno as MotM for the last fecking game. Was that too much too?

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Sign him up?

 

[Olecurls99]

They aren't cherry picked at all. Somebody dragged in a stat where Bruno is 3rd best player in PL in recoveries. I go to fbref, look at his defensive stats (not some, I copy'd all of them in here) and see that he rather below average in most them (not even a dig he is a lightweight AM playing in CM so I don't expect those numbers to be anything to look forward to) so I ask if anybody has an idea how thats possible. How can somebody be 3rd best in something when fbref says he is average across the defensive stats. Either fbref numbers are bad or wrong (unlikely) or the player in the other top 5 leagues are way better than the PL ones (unlikely) or the recovery stat is somehow skewed. So you wanting to tell me I cherry picked stats is kind of odd.

If you can't answer the question, don't do so

You should watch football games of other teams from time to time. Then you'd know what a crazy statement you just made.

*edit: just re-read and haven't seen that you said "in the remaining games of the season". I still struggle to accept calling it "looking very good" but for the rest of the season I would retract my statement. I'd do literally but since I have been quoted already...)

I would never have said it 3 months ago but I have to admit Bruno's turned himself into a very good midfielder.

Not many teams have a player of Mainoo's ability as understudy and Casemiro is obviously aging but has still got a lot to offer. Name me a 3rd choice number 8 or 6 at any team that's better.

 

[NZT-One]

My question arises from the fact that somewhere on this forum there's a thread that characterizes Bruno as "the problem" or some nutty words to that effect.

It isn't "the thread". Thats most of the issue in here. The absolute majority is joining in praising him for everything he does. There are a few (and I mean few like two) who don't sing the same songs and look at you - your perception of the thread is that Bruno seems to be controversial because a whole mob is out there trying to burn everything. It is paranoia.

Your last post is the perfect example. You act as if the conflicts in here are about whether he is the best player in our time. But that isn't even in debate. The last big debate in here was not EVERY SINGLE POSTER in here was aligned that Bruno and only Bruno could be the MotM of the last match. Thats the situation in here. It isn't even about over the top criticism anymore - those posters are chased away. These days it is about not having the correct amount of praise.

Guys, stop praising Bruno, you're hurting @NZT-One 's feelings.

From all the special people in here, I have the most sympathy for you. Always coming out when the going is already there so you'll never be alone and your ad hominems can fly. Lets see how long it takes until you can come out of your rats nest again with the "he thought that pass wasn't intentional" line rentfree in your head

Lets just stick to attack the post, not the poster.

 

[NZT-One]

I would never have said it 3 months ago but I have to admit Bruno's turned himself into a very good midfielder.

Not many teams have a player of Mainoo's ability as understudy and Casemiro is obviously aging but has still got a lot to offer. Name me a 3rd choice number 8 or 6 at any team that's better.

Well turns out the best way to improve the squad is to always play Sociedad* and Leicester in their current forms. (*10 men version)

Apart from that - I backtracked and almost agreed to you already, so lets not push it.

 

[Olecurls99]

Well turns out the best way to improve the squad is to always play Sociedad* and Leicester in their current forms. (*10 men version)

Apart from that - I backtracked and almost agreed to you already, so lets not push it.

Liverpool away too. Bruno was fantastic against Liverpool.

We were also beating Sociedad before the sending off. The sending off was a result of the pressure we were putting them under. It wasn't some anomaly that changed the game.

I've never been a fan but anybody not seeing the upturn in midfield performances the past few months, doesn't know football or is blinded by an agenda.

How's that for pushing it

 

[LeonDion]

@LeonDion to confirm

Right now…I’d say so. This month he has been our best player and I’d say last month also. He’s been very good since around mid Jan.

 

[NZT-One]

Right now…I’d say so. This month he has been our best player and I’d say last month also. He’s been very good since around mid Jan.

But when looked at over the last 4 or 5 years, he'd still be the best, don't you think?

Doesn't mean that he was the best in every game but overall, he has been the best player in our team for me. Based both on him being always available, him even in periods of not-great form maintaining some output and a total lack of contenders in our team. I mean one player has to be the best, no matter how you play and given that the majority of players were very disappointing, I think there is just no competition.

I personally think, there is nothing wrong in saying he was/is the best. I'd just be cautious of what that actually means because being the best at Manchester United means something very different today than it meant in the past.

 

[Waynne]

Lisan Al Gaib

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Maybe you don't understand what you're watching? That might sound harsh to you but genuinely those two parts I've highlighted are the most insane takeaways from the last three games I've read in a thread littered with insane takes.

In the past I think I've said that Bruno has been guilty of trying to light a cigarette with a flame thrower, i.e. he gets a bit of the Stevie Me, hollywood ball, trying to do everything on his own in his desperation to make a difference.

The last three games in that deeper role he has been brilliant and whenever we struggle to play out it's because we can't find him - look at Maz giving the ball away early against Leicester vs when Rasmus scores the opener, it's because Bruno makes himself an option with smart movement in the latter example. Every time he gets on the ball between the first and middle third of the pitch the opposition has to drop off the press or there is a ton of space in behind for him to hit and the team can all move up . This has been made better because Bruno is now smarter with his passing choices then he has been in the past, sometimes he is playing short in those small triangles on the flanks just behind the halfway line to force the press to drop off or to open space for the spare man in midfield to switch to the other flank, sometimes he is hitting it longer to turn the opposition when he is able to get his head up.

If you go back and review the last 6 weeks or so of our games and watch the constant passing the ball behind someone or playing a bobbling ball in to them or putting people under pressure with a poorly weighted pass then maybe you’ll see what I mean by garbage passing. Statistically he completes a pass but anyone analysing it would say it was poor.

I’ve seen him play football better for us than he is currently but he is getting results so like I was saying in my original post maybe I need to stop analysing the game as much and just enjoy it through a much simpler lense.

I enjoy tactics and why people do things on the pitch and what they should be doing next, so when I’m watching a game I maybe judge people off of more than just goals and assists because I feel that if they did other things better we ourselves would still score goals and the likes but we would manage games much easier.

I never even meant for my original post to get so much heat, actually thought I was complementing Bruno with it but hey ho.

 

[Pickle85]

I thought you didn't like that side of you? The pedantic one? Even if Leon disagrees - what would it change? It is one user.

Well I can't tell, as you know, foreigner with just basic language skills

How did my own post come across to me?

I expressed the feelings I had. Nothing more nothing less. I had overread that the poster made a restriction to "this season" so I thought it was a general statement. That initiated my reaction. Was it too much? I don't know anymore - the recent conflicts in here came from the fact that 3(!!!) people saw other players than Bruno as MotM for the last fecking game. Was that too much too?

I don't like it, but sometimes it's good to go off leash! I imagine you feel the same, judging by your 'you should watch football games of other teams' comment.

Happy to help educate you re linguistic intricacies, particularly around cursing. Also around what's patronising and what's not!

 

[LeonDion]

But when looked at over the last 4 or 5 years, he'd still be the best, don't you think?

Doesn't mean that he was the best in every game but overall, he has been the best player in our team for me. Based both on him being always available, him even in periods of not-great form maintaining some output and a total lack of contenders in our team. I mean one player has to be the best, no matter how you play and given that the majority of players were very disappointing, I think there is just no competition.

I personally think, there is nothing wrong in saying he was/is the best. I'd just be cautious of what that actually means because being the best at Manchester United means something very different today than it meant in the past.

I wouldn’t say so. I don’t share this opinion on him. When he’s good…he’s very good. Typically for 1/2 months. When he’s poor for me he’s terrible.

Someone who is terrible is not best player. Sometimes you have player who is so good, like Cantona, Keane, Ronaldo that they are best player for years. Bruno is not that. Not in my opinion. I don’t see him as levels above as a player, at this point or at same point in time, such as two/three season ago etc, Deligt, Mazroui, Casemiro, Mainoo, Rashford, Martinez, Shaw, Varane. Over last 4/5 years all of these have had spell where they were best player. Rashford for example…Bruno never carried team like Rashford that season…ultimately meant very little because he went back to being meh afterward. Just as Bruno has been meh first half this season, up to March last season, all season Ronaldo was here etc.

So no I don’t share that view at all. I think that view comes from stats not performance but performances count. Stats boost individual. Performance boost team and enable others to have better stats…eg Keane, Scholes didn’t always have great stat but never had months of poor performance.

Hope this makes sense. Over 4/5 years I’d say Bruno was best in his first half season, first half his second season. Second half last season, second half this season. We’ve had times when Rashford was best, Shaw, Casemiro, Ronaldo, Amad, Martinez, Mazrroui

 

[NZT-One]

I wouldn’t say so. I don’t share this opinion on him. When he’s good…he’s very good. Typically for 1/2 months. When he’s poor for me he’s terrible.

Someone who is terrible is not best player. Sometimes you have player who is so good, like Cantona, Keane, Ronaldo that they are best player for years. Bruno is not that. Not in my opinion. I don’t see him as levels above as a player, at this point or at same point in time, such as two/three season ago etc, Deligt, Mazroui, Casemiro, Mainoo, Rashford, Martinez, Shaw, Varane. Over last 4/5 years all of these have had spell where they were best player. Rashford for example…Bruno never carried team like Rashford that season…ultimately meant very little because he went back to being meh afterward. Just as Bruno has been meh first half this season, up to March last season, all season Ronaldo was here etc.

So no I don’t share that view at all. I think that view comes from stats not performance but performances count. Stats boost individual. Performance boost team and enable others to have better stats…eg Keane, Scholes didn’t always have great stat but never had months of poor performance.

Hope this makes sense. Over 4/5 years I’d say Bruno was best in his first half season, first half his second season. Second half last season, second half this season. We’ve had times when Rashford was best, Shaw, Casemiro, Ronaldo, Amad, Martinez, Mazrroui

Thanks for the explanation. Goes to show that even the term "best player" can be seen in many different ways.

I think, I would agree to Rashford having a certain claim but fuelled a lot by his very good patch in ETHs first season. Shaw had good form but I have never seen him as our best player and his inavailability shatters every claim for me, same goes for Casemiro even though his first season was pretty good (but that applies to a few players) and with Amad and Mazraoui it is this season only. Ronaldo I can kind of see a claim for when he was here, but it wasn't for long. I'd still say most of those were on good form for certain periods while Bruno additionally to having such periods of good form even when performances weren't shiny still popped up with assists and chance creation. Which sets him apart from his team mates who didn't/don't have anything to show for, either performance, nor stats.

 

[LeonDion]

Thanks for the explanation. Goes to show that even the term "best player" can be seen in many different ways.

I think, I would agree to Rashford having a certain claim but fuelled a lot by his very good patch in ETHs first season. Shaw had good form but I have never seen him as our best player and his inavailability shatters every claim for me, same goes for Casemiro even though his first season was pretty good (but that applies to a few players) and with Amad and Mazraoui it is this season only. Ronaldo I can kind of see a claim for when he was here, but it wasn't for long. I'd still say most of those were on good form for certain periods while Bruno additionally to having such periods of good form even when performances weren't shiny still popped up with assists and chance creation. Which sets him apart from his team mates who didn't/don't have anything to show for, either performance, nor stats.

Last two season Bruno averaged 14 position for G/A for midfielder in Prem.

In any case I think when he’s been good he’s been our best player. Doesn’t mean I think he’s been best player for five years. He’s barely been good 50% of time.

 

[DJ_21]

It’s good to see him scoring a different variety of goals. People can’t say he only scores penalty’s now.

 

[NZT-One]

Last two season Bruno averaged 14 position for G/A for midfielder in Prem.

In any case I think when he’s been good he’s been our best player. Doesn’t mean I think he’s been best player for five years. He’s barely been good 50% of time.

I see your point, but if the task would be "name the best player of the last 6 years" and you could only pick one and you have to pick somebody, who else would be in contention?

 

[Maureen-yo]

I see your point, but if the task would be "name the best player of the last 6 years" and you could only pick one and you have to pick somebody, who else would be in contention?

United players only?

 

[Mystic_Scout]

He is playing with much better teammates today and he looks awful. Just isnt a very good player and only thrives in teams where he is able to do anything he wants, which unfortunately is not how the midfields of top teams play. Despite vitinha and neves making up 2 out of 3 players in the worlds current best midfield trio, Portugals midfield looks weak when Bruno is played with them. I honestly think our fanbase is so delusional with this guy.

His stats may appear impressive, but theres a reason why none of the all time best midfielders have a high amount of goals and assists. Hope the club cashes in this summer

 

[LeonDion]

I see your point, but if the task would be "name the best player of the last 6 years" and you could only pick one and you have to pick somebody, who else would be in contention?

Him and Shaw have undoubtedly been, to date, our best post SAF signings. Shaw for performance when fit. Bruno for performance when on form and availability. But I don’t think Bruno has played well for half his time. It’s a sht show that gets worse and lack of planning has been a major issue. We are club who sign Fellaini then six months later Mata…who does that?

I don’t blame Bruno for everything in own performance but I won’t pretend he’s been good most of time. Someone last week, one of his super fan, claimed this is his best season. That is really not a good thing. Personally he was dire till January and team have been awful. He had two months good form.

The whole club is joke but that doesn’t mean Bruno has done something to ignore others over same time period.

I’d go with no one over that time and instead look at individuals good runs of form or seasons. Rashford, Ronaldo, Amad, Martinez, Bruno.

 

[NZT-One]

United players only?

Of course

He is playing with much better teammates today and he looks awful. Just isnt a very good player and only thrives in teams where he is able to do anything he wants, which unfortunately is not how the midfields of top teams play. Despite vitinha and neves making up 2 out of 3 players in the worlds current best midfield trio, Portugals midfield looks weak when Bruno is played with them. I honestly think our fanbase is so delusional with this guy.

His stats may appear impressive, but theres a reason why none of the all time best midfielders have a high amount of goals and assists. Hope the club cashes in this summer

This is a very crass take. And I am sure, it won't take long and it will be used to label all critics as crazy.

Him and Shaw have undoubtedly been, to date, our best post SAF signings. Shaw for performance when fit. Bruno for performance when on form and availability. But I don’t think Bruno has played well for half his time. It’s a sht show that gets worse and lack of planning has been a major issue. We are club who sign Fellaini then six months later Mata…who does that?

The whole club is joke but that doesn’t mean Bruno has done something to ignore others over same time period.

I subscribe to most of it. I'd say "hasn't played well for half the time" is very harsh but I'd be able to buy into that premise. The thing is though, this applies to every other player in the squad as well. Thats why I added the 2nd sentence to the task ^^

I don’t blame Bruno for everything in own performance but I won’t pretend he’s been good most of time. Someone last week, one of his super fan, claimed this is his best season. That is really not a good thing. Personally he was dire till January and team have been awful. He had two months good form.

I mostly agree. Some of the takes are "special". Each to their own I guess.

I’d go with no one over that time and instead look at individuals good runs of form or seasons. Rashford, Ronaldo, Amad, Martinez, Bruno.

see I expected that because "no one" would probably be my take as well but given the constraints of the task where you have to pick one and one only, I can't see any competition. Thats why I said, he is the best but one factor is that none of his team mates have anything to show for.

But I'll let it go since I understand your viewpoint.

 

[Chicharito_]

He is playing with much better teammates today and he looks awful. Just isnt a very good player and only thrives in teams where he is able to do anything he wants, which unfortunately is not how the midfields of top teams play. Despite vitinha and neves making up 2 out of 3 players in the worlds current best midfield trio, Portugals midfield looks weak when Bruno is played with them. I honestly think our fanbase is so delusional with this guy.

His stats may appear impressive, but theres a reason why none of the all time best midfielders have a high amount of goals and assists. Hope the club cashes in this summer

Have a feeling you're just a WUM, 7 posts all negative give it a rest. Bruno has been outstanding for Portugal recently, he has 1 quiet game tonight and you post this.

 

[tomaldinho1]

It’s good to see him scoring a different variety of goals. People can’t say he only scores penalty’s now.

Who says this?

I was so confused for a moment, I saw Portugal lost 0-1 and thought he scored a spectacular own goal or something, then I saw it was Hojlund.

 

[Eplel]

This is a very crass take. And I am sure, it won't take long and it will be used to label all critics as crazy.

It's not going to affect your ratings, you can rest easy.

 

[DJ_21]

Who says this?

I was so confused for a moment, I saw Portugal lost 0-1 and thought he scored a spectacular own goal or something, then I saw it was Hojlund.

Rival fans always call him Penandes and stuff

 

[tomaldinho1]

Rival fans always call him Penandes and stuff

Yeah but people call Ronaldo, one of these best ever, penaldo.

 

[DJ_21]

Yeah but people call Ronaldo, one of these best ever, penaldo.

Because most of the goals scored are pens or was pens. Obviously when he improved as he got older he scored variety of goals.