Bundesliga 19/20

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  1. Nov 4, 2019

    do.ob Full Member

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    I think putting Ancelotti into the same category as Klinsmann and Kovac is too much hindsight. At the time of the appointment he was probably the second most desirable coach in the world after Pep, he was/is known for good man management of star ensembles and CL success, something which has been Bayern's ambition for a while. You don't always have to look for an exact copy of the previous coach either, sometimes it's a good idea to change tracks a bit.
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    PedroMendez Acolyte

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    I dont put Ancelotti and Klinsmann in the same category in terms of quality and his appointment made some sense. Nonetheless he failed as bad as one could fail. I disagree with the argument, that puts all the blame on Hoeneß and paints Rummenigge in a very different light. I dont think that they are the same, but that cuts two ways. I really dislike Hoeneß on a personal level and he made some huge mistake on a professional level. Yet he was also the driving force behind some of the most influential transfers/decision, that created the basis for the success of the last ~10 years.
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    Acrobat7 Full Member

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    Ummmm..... he had Ajax in the CL Semis last season.
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    HTG Full Member

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    He's one of the best coaches ever. He was still a bad appointment, even at the time.
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    The bold are false.

    Ancelotti was a Rummenigge appointment
    Ulli was in jail when Pep left, He was released February 2016 and by then Pep already signed with City

    I notice many of our fans like to spin any negative as Ullis fault. Ulli must be blamed even when he obviously had nothing to do with the decisions
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    Skills Snitch

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    Allegri till the end of the season?
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    kaiser1 New Member

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    He wont take an interim job. Flick till the end of the season and get ten Haag or better still Kloppo
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    do.ob Full Member

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    We've all seen Oz, these kingpins can order a hit on the outside even if they are locked up.
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    PedroMendez Acolyte

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    I am aware that he is doing well. I don't think that should be the main criteria on its own. I just dont know what kind of football he wants to play or what kind of personality he has. I have no idea if he is a good fit or not.

    I think the bayern management at the time thought about "building up" a less known manager by employing him as manager for the amateur/b-team with the intention to promote him, if it works out well. Scholl, ten Hag and Heiko Vogel were imo the three candidates where this logic applied. My understanding is, that the management wasn't really convinced by any of those three. Managers develop and the circumstances are/were quite different, but I think its worth taking this into account.
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    An Alone Wolf New Member

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    I'd like to see Wenger there.
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    mav_9me Full Member

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    I don't see Klopp coming to you guys. He seems like a manager who wants much more control over the team and looks like he prefers coaching the not so favored / underdog type of club.
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    I don't think he was, not per se, and if our CL tie went your way i think things would have gone very differently, he'd likely still be your manager and have great feeling with the players

    The main problem there was he followed Guardiola...
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    I actually think following Pep is not a bad thing for Carlo, it should, at least in theory, actually make his work easier. Carlo needs leaders in his team and a creative midfield with good playmaking. That allows him to give his players some space and independence. But when he took over, Lahm and Alonso both retired and our only playmaker in midfield was now Thiago, who is somewhat prone to injuries. The lack of leadership after Lahm and Alonso, combined with the lack of necessary playmakers were his downfall.
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    giorno Full Member

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    You're talking about tactics and performances, i really don't think those were the issue(well, also yes, but not the main issue)

    The issue was the relationship with the players. Guardiola is a teacher, and your players took to him and his methods like an oasis in the desert

    Ancelotti is the exact opposite of that. Only huge success on the pitch would have made the players forget Guardiola
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    sort of.. true. i stand corrected on this one.
    When he *left*. When you read Perarnau's books, that wasn't a sudden decision. Hoeneß never gave Pep the control Pep demanded (and has now at City). As Honigstein wrote, Pep was in doubt whether they really wanted him for his idea of football, or just as the coach equivalent of a trophy wife.
    There were very few decisions at Bayern the last 30odd years Hoeneß has "nothing to do with". He loves to micromanage.
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    https://www.mbs.news/2019/11/no-away-games-of-the-dfb-elf-in-women-discriminating-countries.html

    The newly elected DFB president Fritz Keller worte a short comment in die Zeit [paper] where he outlined that he wants to take a more political stance than some of his predecessors.

    Boycotting nations who don't respect women's rights is a very nice headline, but his clarification on what constitutes a lack of respect kind of takes the edge away from this measure:
    "based on which we no longer allow national teams to play matches in countries where women are not granted equal access to football stadiums or other sports facilities without discrimination"

    Call me cynical but at the end this will affect a couple of African/Asian countries that our teams wouldn't have visited in a million years anyway. Meanwhile women will (probably) be allowed at stadiums in Qatar, so the policy won't apply there.
  17. Threadmark: Der Klassiker!!
    Nov 9, 2019 at 10:39

    Maciek Known for "good moanings" not only in the morning

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    Today's the game - der Klassiker.

    What do you think and what do you predict? Easy home win for Bayern as it's been for three or four seasons or you wouldn't bet any money on anyone? Dortmund have been playing much better lately, but it's Allianz Arena and they can't play there.

    You should definitely watch this game, 17:30 UK time.

    To be fair, lately I've been more into Bundesliga than ever before. Love the atmosphere, love the clubs, love how they're managed. Bayern has always been an example (although lately they can't hire a good coach). I haven't even watched a league game of United this season and I've seen some of such clubs as Union Berlin and Monchengladbach.
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    do.ob Full Member

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    I'm relatively optimistic for Dortmund.
    I think the tactical matchup is in their favour: Bayern's possession game lacks both creativity/penetration and sufficient cover, the latter might be exacerbated by having to play a Pavard, Martinez, Alaba, Davies back four. In theory Dortmund should be able to withstand Bayern's attacks and then find plenty of opportunities on the counter/in transitions.
    I also think momentum is on Dortmund's side: Favre still has some questions to answer, but these past couple of days, beating Gladbach, Wolfsburg and Inter, coming back from a 0-1 and 0-2 in the process, have brought back a lot of confidence. This is also visible in several ambitious statements players and officials have made in the run up to this match.
    Before the season Dortmund have expressed ambitions to be a regular challenger for the title, be a step above the likes of Leipzig, and I think today those words are being put to the test.

    On the other hand their home and away results are a bit Jekyll and Hyde, and of course Bayern are still Bayern, they have more experienced high quality players who will be fired up, trying to prove a point (Dortmund at times struggle with a physical game). So even with all the things I said before we could also see Akanji commit his (by now) customary mistake in minute five, Lewandowski pouncing on it and then it's feck momentum, feck the tactics and Bayern command the game.
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    .mica New Member

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    Thats exactly my fear. Why Akanji plays instead of Zagadou is a question where only Favre knows the answer, its a pity and it is getting on my nerves. Favre still raises a lot of questionmarks, but this is the biggest.

    Today the match can go either way. Will be interesting to watch.
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    Maciek Known for "good moanings" not only in the morning

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    Hoeneß phoned into Doppelpass this morning to complain about the discussion they were having about Bayern. :lol:

    Please don't leave Uli!
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    This was crazy. Frankfurt player knocked over Freiburg coach on the sideline towards the end of the game. Wow. He has to be suspended for a long time.

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    do.ob Full Member

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    I think yesterday was Favre's huge chance to prove his doubters wrong, but the game turned out to be a sad caricature of everything that people criticise him for. I think he will have a hard time convincing people that he can win the league. Didn't like him basically laying the blame at his players after the match either. I think the only question is whether he will be replaced during the winter break or at the end of the season.
  24. Nov 10, 2019 at 20:34

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    If he manages to get out of the UCL group, which is still possible they won't if Inter spring a surprise against Barca, then he might get time till the end of the season because don't think they're in risk of losing a top 4 spot.
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    How has Weston Mckennie and Tyler Adams been performing this season? Any Schalke, Leipzig, or avid Bundesliga followers in general who can give some insight?