Who would you prefer? Rice for me.
Caicedo or Rice for over £100m?
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Rice is more proven over a longer period. He’s a much safer bet at such a high price. Caicedo is more of a gamble at £100m plus as he’s only done it over a single season in a team where everyone generally over performed last year. He probably has a higher ceiling if he stays on the right track though.
None.
Neither is worth it. Happy to see Arsenal and Liverpool paying over the odds.
At those prices, I'm glad we weren't involved.
Caicedo is the better player already and more scope to improve
Rice is the better player. It’s mad money for both, mind.
It might be a bit old school, but that sort of money should be spent on players who put the ball in the net every week. Madness.
It might be a bit old school, but that sort of money should be spent on players who put the ball in the net every week. Madness.
Think Rice is safer, Caicedo easily better/higher peak.
This!
Rice is your typical over hyped English player. If he wasn't English, he'd be half that price.
Don’t care about transfer fees. Never cared about transfer fees. Both of them would improve us dramatically and both would have been terrific signings for us. Oh well.
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If he'd stayed Irish he would have been a bargain for someone.
Caicedo the better player of the two for me. Neither will be worth that money though, but buying from English clubs is no easy task.
I think looking at how fees have gone over the past year, this is the correct answer. All the top teams are overpaying now to the extent where its hard to class what is overpaying now?
If the player is the coaches choice, if he has a plan for him and he fits the system and improves the team /squad, that's all that matters really.
In answer to the OP, I actually think Caceido has the higher ceiling.
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This is the best way any team could have spent £100m this summer. He is the only one out of the 3 that is special.
Him as our number 8 would have been a dream come true.
This.
Its fecking ridiculous. These kinds of players shouldn't be anywhere near 100million pound
It's basically City's fault for paying £100M for Grealish, who wasn't worth that much either. They've again distorted the market, because the level of transfer fee is irrelevant to them.
That was actually a release clause, wasn't it? Atm it was a bidding war that escalated.
Amrabat is a better player than both of them and will cost 100m less
Caicedo.
I like Caicedo more. Rice also class. But Caicedo more press resistant and better technically in terms of close control and quick link up play I'd say. Caicedo suits Liverpool and Klopp more than Rice suits Arsenal IMO.
In terms of are they worth it... Meh. The only players who you could say are worth it are top class players who address a gaping hole in your team who are young and you'll get a full 5 years of peak performances out of them. Both of them tick that box. Hojlund might tick that box but he doesn't have the current level yet, but with CF tax. I think it's far smarter to spend 100m on rice and caicedo to be your DM than spending what they did on Szoboszlai, mac Allister, Arsenal what they did on havertz, or United spending what we did on Mount. There are loads of players like that out there. Top DM's who can play for big clubs are relatively rare, and it's the 2nd most important position on the pitch these days.
In terms of are they worth it... Meh. The only players who you could say are worth it are top class players who address a gaping hole in your team who are young and you'll get a full 5 years of peak performances out of them. Both of them tick that box. Hojlund might tick that box but he doesn't have the current level yet, but with CF tax. I think it's far smarter to spend 100m on rice and caicedo to be your DM than spending what they did on Szoboszlai, mac Allister, Arsenal what they did on havertz, or United spending what we did on Mount. There are loads of players like that out there. Top DM's who can play for big clubs are relatively rare, and it's the 2nd most important position on the pitch these days.
Generally prefer Caicedo.
Also wouldn't be overly precious about how much they paid for a DM. With Casemiro 31 years old, we might need to be shopping in that same market again before too long.
Also wouldn't be overly precious about how much they paid for a DM. With Casemiro 31 years old, we might need to be shopping in that same market again before too long.
Yeah over the course of 5 years, we'll probably end up spending more than them to resolve that position.Generally prefer Caicedo.
Also wouldn't be overly precious about how much they paid for a DM. With Casemiro 31 years old, we might need to be shopping in that same market again before too long.
Same thing happened with Matic and Liverpool got Fabinho. They got a first team stalwart for 4 years, and Matic was a redundant bench option after 18 months.
I wonder what someone like Haaland goes for, if he goes, in 4 years? And who can even afford him.
Caicedo.
He has already proven that he can play in a progressive team whereas Rice hasn't.
Agree with the general sentiment that both are about £50 million overpriced.
He has already proven that he can play in a progressive team whereas Rice hasn't.
Agree with the general sentiment that both are about £50 million overpriced.
None of them. I rate Caicedo more than Rice but £110m is fecking madness. Caicedo even in this crazy market is about £80m tops and Rice should be around £60m. The media better be on them every fecking day like they are with Utd but you know that’s not going to happen, not to the media’s darlings. It will probably be lauded as great business and they’ll be given a free pass as per usual.
happy with Casemiro
either of those next to Casemiro would be too defensive for me
not saying I wouldn't love one of them in the squad, but for 100m, nah.. would rather get a baller in
I don't think there's much between them
either of those next to Casemiro would be too defensive for me
not saying I wouldn't love one of them in the squad, but for 100m, nah.. would rather get a baller in
I don't think there's much between them
I think Rice is vastly overrated so Caiceido but neither is worth that much.
Rice feels like the type of player and personality SAF would’ve thrown the kitchen sink at to bring in
Caicedo for me is the better player and as everyone has said, has the higher ceiling to develop
I think Liverpool are paying the biblical character premium over the chip shop side order
Neither at over 100m. kin hell.
Even at 89m for Pogba, it was hard to get value for money.
Even at 89m for Pogba, it was hard to get value for money.
Market has gone mad when Caicedo is being valued at 110m.
For our team, I think Rice would have been the better fit long-term.
For our team, I think Rice would have been the better fit long-term.
I think both will be considered as good value for money in one/two seasons.
For the past 10 years everyone has been talking about the insane amount of money spent by Premier League clubs. Caicedo is literally the record signing in the history of the Premier League.
I don't know that it's even possible that he's considered good value for money. If he goes on to be one of the best midfielders in the history of the league then that would basically mean they got what they paid for.
In fairness though Real are just building him up for us with them being our feeder club now
He will (or could to be exact) if prices keep ramping up next decade. I think it's an unsustainable bubble but have been proven wrong for more than a decade now.
He will what? Be one of the best midfielders in the history of the league?
You have to compare him with the prices players are going for this summer. Not in 6 years.
None. We agreed an 80m euro deal for FDJ just a summer ago. 40/50m euro premium on players who imo are not as talented just tells you the madness of both deals.
But most importantly, I don't think both players suit what our coach is trying to do. They are both double-pivot players. They aren't specialists. Both aren't great when it comes to ball-carrying or screening a back four. If ETH wanted to continue playing a 4231, it would be a different argument.
But most importantly, I don't think both players suit what our coach is trying to do. They are both double-pivot players. They aren't specialists. Both aren't great when it comes to ball-carrying or screening a back four. If ETH wanted to continue playing a 4231, it would be a different argument.