Terrible challenge. Mctominay is tough. Took a few hard hits today and didn't stop him
Challenge on McTominay today
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That would have been a red card in Rugby never mind football
Ref will straight back in again next week no doubt. As already said that's a foul in rugby let alone football. VAR can't come soon enough.
The referring of this game was absolutely shambolic. Huddersfield gained full protection from the ref to kick our players as they want.
Mist the first part of the game. How is this not a pen
Who the fog knows
I think the refs believe their role in a match is to create conditions where two teams can perform to their stature.
So a smaller club can't compete evenly on a footballing level with a bigger club. Allow them to repeatedly foul and only give fouls where necessary.
Bigger club might respond in kind, begin to commit the same fouls and take away the smaller clubs advantage. Clamp down immediately with soft fouls, yellow cards to give a level of parity between both teams.
I think, they think, their role is to produce a spectacle.
I think their role is to referee the game. Simple. Get over yourselves. Your job is basic level. See a foul. Give a foul.
So a smaller club can't compete evenly on a footballing level with a bigger club. Allow them to repeatedly foul and only give fouls where necessary.
Bigger club might respond in kind, begin to commit the same fouls and take away the smaller clubs advantage. Clamp down immediately with soft fouls, yellow cards to give a level of parity between both teams.
I think, they think, their role is to produce a spectacle.
I think their role is to referee the game. Simple. Get over yourselves. Your job is basic level. See a foul. Give a foul.
That chicken ref would've blown the whistle if that happened anywhere else on the pitch I'm pretty sure.
I kinda feel that refs do think twice or thrice for fouls in penalty box, and that's just wrong.
I kinda feel that refs do think twice or thrice for fouls in penalty box, and that's just wrong.
To be fair from the refs angle it looks like two players going for a header and colliding. It's far more clear-cut from the replay from the right side where you see Mctominay being wiped out. When I saw it live I didn't think it was a penalty, but on the replay I did.
I agree. It’s very rare you’ll see a penalty given for what is essentially a mistimed jump. Poor attempt from the Huddersfield player but can see why the ref left it alone
It was a flashback to the terrible refereeing in the Schumacher collision with Battistion in the 80’s and Ndoye in the Champions League against Barca in 2010.
Those two situations were worse though IMO even though all 3 should have been clear red cards.
I really feel referees should have temporarily bans for missing so clear situations of violent conduct (given their view is good etc). It shows they have no common sense and can’t step up to their mark when it really matters.
Those two situations were worse though IMO even though all 3 should have been clear red cards.
I really feel referees should have temporarily bans for missing so clear situations of violent conduct (given their view is good etc). It shows they have no common sense and can’t step up to their mark when it really matters.
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The refs have a much better view on the field and understanding of dynamics than the supporter in front of the TV. Saying you didnt see it live is expected at times, the ref has no excuse though. Thats why he is on the pitch and a challenge like that with such an impact, there is no excuse. But this guy has a past of being shit.
Without wanting to start any debate on this thread, i'll just mention that you'll never hear that this was an incident where VAR could have been applied perfectly from its firm detractors. A review of the challenge while McTominay was still getting treatment on the pitch and then, as soon as he gets up, a penalty to us and a red card for the Huddersfield defender. Just saying...
Anyway, the most annoying thing with the referee yesterday was that, although he started the match with the intention of allowing the "smaller" team to defend by making challenges right on the border of committing a foul (no problem there for me), he completely lost the plot. It was unbelievable that at the end of the first half United had more bookings than Huddersfield.
And if Lukaku hadn't broken the deadlock only ten minutes in the second half, it could have turned into one of those situations where the players get angry and frustrated and dropping two/three points suddenly becomes a very likely outcome.
Anyway, the most annoying thing with the referee yesterday was that, although he started the match with the intention of allowing the "smaller" team to defend by making challenges right on the border of committing a foul (no problem there for me), he completely lost the plot. It was unbelievable that at the end of the first half United had more bookings than Huddersfield.
And if Lukaku hadn't broken the deadlock only ten minutes in the second half, it could have turned into one of those situations where the players get angry and frustrated and dropping two/three points suddenly becomes a very likely outcome.
Howard Webb deserves a mention for not sending De Jong off in the 2010 WC final too.
It was a flashback to Neuer on Higuian in the WC final 2014 but apparently goalkeepers have more ‘leeway’ to do serious damage to their opponent.
The linesman who ran the South Stand line in the first half was without doubt the worst I remember in recent times.
Had absolutely no idea. Guessed every decision, ignored clear fouls and gave us that corner when Lingard kicked the ball of his own leg - even though every player and fan in the stadium were preparing for the goal kick!
So yeah, I’m not complaining about specific decisions and obviously we won the game comfortably but the display from the officials was very poor
I can only assume the ref thought he had headed the ball before he polaxed mctominay. It was the wrong decision but I hardly think it was some anti united agenda. The ref had a poor game and Huddersfield we’re lucky to end up with 11 men. There was a lot of yellows that weren’t given.
I get your point if he had a second viewing by VAR but the ref had a perfect view of the incident without the use for it.
Refs should just do their jobs properly without the use for VAR deciding every decision. If the ref maybe didnt see the incident then you could argue a case for using it but he literally had the perfect view
For me this is one of those occasional situations where it should be a red card but not a penalty. Because the player is clearly endangering the safety of others on the field, but he also isn't actually stopping a goalscoring opportunity. I wonder whether the ref didn't give it because he didn't feel the challenge was denying anything in an attacking sense (as the ball had gone). Feel like the rules need to be changed for situations like this.
It doesn't need to be a goal scoring opportunity for it to be a pen.
What? A penalty is nothing more than a foul inside the box. Denying a goalscoring opportunity has absolutely nothing to do with it whatsoever.
Where did you get the idea penalties are awarded for denying goal-scoring opportunities? Someone can be running away from the goal and not in possession of the ball but if they get tripped up inside the box it’s still a penalty.
There are refs in this country that aren't fit for purpose.
I know penalties aren't given only for fouls denying clear goalscoring opportunities, but I do believe referees are reluctant to give them unless they do given how drastically a penalty can change a game. I think in this particular instance the ref decided not to give the penalty because the ball was already gone (given that as many have pointed out, its not like he didn't see it). I just feel like the ref might have been prepared to punish the offender directly (by sending him off) if it didn't also result in a penalty being awarded.
Mctominay was very lucky to be able walk away from that, looks like gbh, certain red card and pen.
Demote the ref, no place in the prem for eejits like that.
Demote the ref, no place in the prem for eejits like that.
I thought it was a clear penalty and a sending off.
In terms of ubiased, inept performances you are right. Still better than shit served by Atkinson at Stamford Bridge or Olivier against City.
How often to we see attacking players getting battered by defenders when challenging for aerial balls, refs rarely give anything. Just like when a player scores and the defender hammers into them with late last ditch challenges. McTominay was very fortunate not the be badly injured in this challenge, his head hit the ground with some force. A red and a penalty should have been the result.
Just need to google search Stuart Atwell and you will realise why it wasnt given.
Props to the lad for getting up and continuing with the game.
Want to see a retrospective red for Kongolo .....and as for that fecking ref, just wish it had been him and not McTominay who was flattened, bet he would have sent him off then.
One of the worst referee performances I've ever seen and not giving ANYTHING after that horrible tackle was the tip of the iceberg. Horrific challenge and the ref that absolute weapon stands in a good position to see it. Where is the media outrage though?
Is it a broader thing in football though. It reminded me of Neuer on Higuian at WC2014 and Cahill on Mason. To me it is reckless and very dangerous play regardless if they get the ball or if it was a clash of heads and can cause serious damage to a player. Cahill did do serious damage. Yet none of these challenges resulted in a red card. Think Neuer got a free kick for his There were plenty arguing that there was nothing wrong with these challenges too.
There were plenty arguing that there was nothing wrong with these challenges too.I’d feel sorry for some of you lot playing in the ASV Sunday league if you class that as violent conduct. Was probably a pen but he’s gone to win the header and isn’t looking at him. Just brought in more momentum and has collided with him whilst trying to get a head on the ball. He’s failed to get a head on it and obstructed McTominay so it’s a foul, but violent conduct no chance.
Yer i saw that too disgusting how they all laughed it off as Jose was calm but had they not won like that's football tough luck kind of thing they were doing. if it was one of our players they would go on and on about it or if it happened to the media favoured managers aka pep and klopp. Can he still get a suspension or something as I thought if ref saw it and did something they cant over turn it ?
Oh, nothing more than "obstruction" was it? ....and there was me thinking it was a career threatening piece of thuggery....
I am only happy that McTominay came out of this unscathed. Could have been worse with another one of the young 'uns career being ruined by an unfortunate injury and that too due to another player.
What ridiculous logic. Would the same apply if a player leads with his foot instead of head? ‘He went in to win the ball with more momentum and just caught him’, never mind if it was knee height or anything! Kongolo’s challenge is no different from reckless attempts to win the ball on the ground that are late and dangerous, and result in red cards every week.
Jesus fecking Christ.
I hope this causes some of you to sympathise with the noise City have been making in recent weeks. The way Sanchez was picked on and kicked by Yeovil, the way McTominay was shown no regard by the Huddersfield player who had no real intention of winning the ball.
It's happening far too often and the players committing these assaults aren't being punished beyond a yellow card.
It is GBH.
If I did that to someone on the street and a Police Officer saw me do it, I'd be arrested and it would be a straight forward GBH case against me.
Straight red.
That wasn't a tackle it was a fecking assault.