What a finisher those first 2 years. 20 goals in his debut season. Had 18 and was Fergie's final goalscorer.
Chicharito has become one of our most underrated players
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He wasn’t underrated.
He was great in the box, but everything outside it was awful including his first touch. He would have been more suited to 90s football when strikers had to do less in terms of all round play and he would have had a strike partner with him.
He was great in the box, but everything outside it was awful including his first touch. He would have been more suited to 90s football when strikers had to do less in terms of all round play and he would have had a strike partner with him.
No he hasn’t. If anything he was overhyped. He wasn’t as good as Danny Ings even. He was at a dominant team and had great finishing instincts, but I always felt there was some sort of marketing campaign, largely by us I suspect, to paint him as some global South American superstar, largely for commercial reasons.
Popped up with a lot of crucial goals in his 1st and 3rd seasons. Loved having him.
Nothing under rated about him. What a completely random thread!
I won't say he is underrated. He was very limited player who scored few important goals.
This. Berbatov was our top scorer in Chich's first season, but he was very streaky and scored his goals in bursts against teams we would have beaten anyway, including five against Blackburn. Meanwhile it seemed like every goal Chicharito scored won us points. Absolute lifesaver that season, and a very likeable character as well.
I think he is properly rated by fans who seem to love his finishing but recognize his limitations.
I will never forget the goal he scored in that comeback against Blackpool. One of the worst first halves followed by a three goal comeback.
The Hernandez goal involved 4 touches/passes and a finish from a move that began from a goal kick. VDS to Giggs, who perfectly controlled and weighted the through ball into Hernandez who made a great run and finished clinically. Hernandez wanted to celebrate with Giggs and Giggs told him to get back to the half way like because there was another goal to score.
I also kind of wonder how many goals he scored that would have been taken away by VAR. Hernandez was so good at timing his runs but now that offside is literally a game of millimeters, he might have had a few goals overturned on review
I will never forget the goal he scored in that comeback against Blackpool. One of the worst first halves followed by a three goal comeback.
The Hernandez goal involved 4 touches/passes and a finish from a move that began from a goal kick. VDS to Giggs, who perfectly controlled and weighted the through ball into Hernandez who made a great run and finished clinically. Hernandez wanted to celebrate with Giggs and Giggs told him to get back to the half way like because there was another goal to score.
I also kind of wonder how many goals he scored that would have been taken away by VAR. Hernandez was so good at timing his runs but now that offside is literally a game of millimeters, he might have had a few goals overturned on review
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Not really. He's rated where he deserves to be. Very good striker to have in your squad, but can't be the main guy for a whole season on his own.
He’s rated as worse than RvP and Rooney, but better than Welbeck. In other words, he’s rated properly. Fergie clearly knew it too, hence his position of main backup striker in that 2012-13 season.
This. Seems to me - worldwide - youth coaches put more effort into improving 1st-touch - aiming to train players with no weaknesses - I guess Mexico was a few years behind the times?
I'm not sure he was underrated. He wasn't an exceptional footballer. But he did score some crucial goals during the 2010-11 season.
The opener against Chelsea in the 2-1 win was huge because United's lead had been cut down to 3 points and Chelsea had the goals difference advantage. A Chelsea win there would have swung the title race in their factor with 2 matches remaining. When Chicharito scored after 20 seconds, it calmed everyone's nerves and ramped up the pressure on Chelsea.
The opener against Chelsea in the 2-1 win was huge because United's lead had been cut down to 3 points and Chelsea had the goals difference advantage. A Chelsea win there would have swung the title race in their factor with 2 matches remaining. When Chicharito scored after 20 seconds, it calmed everyone's nerves and ramped up the pressure on Chelsea.
Spot on this.
Great finisher and clutch as hell.
Feels like everytime he came off the bench in 12/13 he made an impact
On a 1 on 1 I'd back him more than any striker bar Ruud.
He was an excellent poacher and a good player. Unfairly dumped by LVG.
I'm not an LVG hater as I respected his methods in getting us well drilled in his tactics. But his transfers in and out were flat out disastrous.
I dont care about their careers after united but Chicharito, Nani, Evans and Rafael never should have left and were all much better than the garbage LVG brought in.
He was an excellent poacher and a good player. Unfairly dumped by LVG.
I'm not an LVG hater as I respected his methods in getting us well drilled in his tactics. But his transfers in and out were flat out disastrous.
I dont care about their careers after united but Chicharito, Nani, Evans and Rafael never should have left and were all much better than the garbage LVG brought in.
He did occasionally change the game in quite a shocking way given his limitations. I really loved him in those first three seasons, I wish he'd had a bit more to his game so that we might have held on to him for longer
He obviously wouldn't have the burst of pace anymore and nobody can provide him the ball for him to finish.
Saw that full interview he could be a brilliant manager. Also he never should have even left just shows the incompetent appointments.
Here we go with another ex United player nearing retirement who butters up the huge global United fan base just in time for his shit book release
Loved him, shouldn't have started in the CL final though.
If that's the case, I don't get the hostility. It's a book, not some financial commitment.
He's not underrated at all. He was a good finisher and okay forward who made some valuable contributions as a squad player, nothing more nothing less.
There are multiple things wrong here.
He was a one trick pony. His effectiveness went downhill the moment more and more defenders learnt his trick
Nah, very good in the box but fairly average otherwise. It's not like he was good for the other teams he played, not counting the MLS.
Putting the ball in the net is quite an effective trick in football.
Considering the absolute dross we’ve had playing for us over the last 10 years, I don’t see how anyone can shit on him. He still managed to get 10 Premier League goals in the RvP season (18 for the season).
Have you ever listened to anything he’s said about the club, ever? Quite clearly not the case. Honestly, some of our fan base deserve the likes of Lukaku and Di Maria.
I see.
His movement off the ball was elite and he was such a likeable player as well.. That's a rarity in the current squad
Well for one, he was definitely a better player than Danny Ings. And for two, it would be odd to paint a North American as a "global South American superstar".
I definitely had a soft spot for him in his time here and was sad when he was pushed out the door. Felt he deserved a bit better.
He was very good at what he did, but he couldn’t do all that much more. He was fairly limited in the buildup, but he could be in the right place at the right time and put up a fight. I thought he was going to be the key to beating Barca in one of those CL finals we lost. Sadly not
He was very good at what he did, but he couldn’t do all that much more. He was fairly limited in the buildup, but he could be in the right place at the right time and put up a fight. I thought he was going to be the key to beating Barca in one of those CL finals we lost. Sadly not
I see.
He was a good back up striker for a top team. He had a fighting mentality that you value because he was always trying to score and when you are pulling pressure you need someone like him.
I understand why LVG didn't want him here, but the problem that year was Rooney was already in championship levels. Nevertheless, I don't think we would have played at all if he had stayed, so selling him then was the only option. I remember when Moyes came, he said he didn't know a lot about players like Chicharito, and that point was a red alert for me; how can you not know an important player of the winners of the league you manage.
I understand why LVG didn't want him here, but the problem that year was Rooney was already in championship levels. Nevertheless, I don't think we would have played at all if he had stayed, so selling him then was the only option. I remember when Moyes came, he said he didn't know a lot about players like Chicharito, and that point was a red alert for me; how can you not know an important player of the winners of the league you manage.
It is, however there is more to football even for a goal poacher, which is why there are different levels of goal poachers from the likes of RVN, Batigol and Shearer at one end and the likes of Mitrovic or Nevland at the other. Chica is at the lower end of the spectrum. His movement, physicality and technique were meah, he lacked the football brain to switch things around or to notice & exploit weaknesses in the opponent's defence like good old Ole used to do from the bench as a player (not as a manager)
Nothing wrong with that. Not everyone is destined to become a star with United and TBH they don't really need to. Chica was a shrewd signing. He came next to nothing both in terms of fees and salary, he proved useful to be around and he improved the club brand in America both business wise and in terms of attracting players. The boy had also shown great attitude that allowed him to bridge the gap between the Mexican league and the EPL. However you can only call a spade for what it is. Players like that are a hit and miss and they are dead cheap. I remember Inter used to sign them via bulk buying. At one point they got like 4 with the most expensive and rated one of the lot being a certain Caio. The guy turned down to be quite shit tbh. Howeve two of them bought for 6.50m euros and 3.5m euros respectively turned out to be half decent. Maybe you have heard of these two aka Roberto Carlos and Javier Zanetti.
More of a legend that ronaldo.
We got more from this guy than we did from the likes of Falcao and Cavani that's for sure.
Another thing we can say with a great deal of certainty is we won't be signing anyone this summer, that firstly, is as good as he was, second, as much of a bargain as he was.
Another thing we can say with a great deal of certainty is we won't be signing anyone this summer, that firstly, is as good as he was, second, as much of a bargain as he was.
Ah, leave books the feck alone as they are a great source of info, just read Robbo's one, ya know captain marvel etc, wow to think only for his young wife and baby he would have gone to his preferred choice in 81, liverpool and not us and only came here because we offered better wages and as I have said, he used the fact he needed money more than trophies back then due to his "young family", although he never mentions banging Clare Tomlinson back in 2000 behind his wife's back.
His debut season was good. One of those seasons where everyone was writing United off early doors including our own fans and we turned it around.
For me though he epitomised that 09-13 late Ferguson era of getting the absolute maximum out of more average players.
For me though he epitomised that 09-13 late Ferguson era of getting the absolute maximum out of more average players.
Mexico is part of North America.