Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Ecstatic, Nov 1, 2018.
Shame on you for not picking Weah or Leonardo or Rai.
Long time ago, hope you're fine
The spirit of this thread was not to built an All-time, otherwise Rai and Safet Susic would have had a role for sure.
Weah and Ronaldinho are Ballon d'or; but very very inconsistent for my taste.
My team previously proposed initially is very balanced and robust but if I had to build a much more exciting team to watch, then I would have built this team:
Celta de Vigo
Otero Cáceres Djorovic Juanfran
Karpin Mostovoi G.López
Bench: Cavallero, Makelele,M.Salgado, Revivo, Berizzo.
It´s a crime not to include Pahiño, but I didn´t see him playing. I send Salgado and Makelele to the bench, since both had his best years in Madrid. Berizzo could be there too instead Djorovic but I prefered the serbian
M.Pablo Naybet Donato Bonissel
Victor Mauro Silva Aldana Fran
Bench: Molina, Makaay, Djalminha,Tristán, Pandiani . A bench full with top strikers. I could also include Djukic but leaving later to Valencia make me appreciate him a bit less.
Aldana and Bonissel are strange choices. Aldana came from Madrid in the beginning of Super Depor.
He had had a cruciate ligament injury and was theoretically finished, but revived in Depor.
Romero used to be the left back, or Capdevila, but many of us still remember Bonnissel, a great full back who had a great connection with the best Fran. Unfortunately he was a very controversial guy, who had problems in the dressing room and who even hit a journalist and broke the nose of a fan.
That team would have been great in other circumstances. Romario really didn´t give a feck in Valencia, a shame. I thought he was going to spend a few more years in Europe.
I did not know about Rami
Cafu Baresi Nesta Maldini
Riijkaard Pirlo Gullit
Shevchenko Van Basten Kaka
South American teams -
Leandro Juan Gamarra Junior
Zico Djalminha Ronaldinho
All time Africa XI
Oh dear lord I loved Depor back in the day . I'd always want to see Djalminha in the starting XI but it's hard to squeeze both him and Valeron in.
As an individual player there is no question for me Ballack was the better player. Even though he is a high rated player, i believe he is very underrated. This is probably the case because he failed to win the big ones (multiple times).
If you ask who was more influential for Bayern it is Effenberg without a doubt. Ballack in general was very unlucky, being the only true world class player (alongside Kahn) in his german generation. Also he was part of the worst Bayern team, and german football in general, in decades (that's why he left for Chelsea).
But individually, in his prime, i do believe that Ballack was one of the best offensive central midfielders of all time. He just had everything. The body language, the intelligence, the abilities and the mentality.
Lahm Beckenbauer Mertesacker Breitner
Schneider Gundogan Schweinsteiger Reus
He was a dirty player too, all elbows and cynical fouls. I particularly remember a friendly against Russia where he charged about putting in dangerous tackles all game. Marat Izmailov was never the same player after having to go off only about 10 minutes into it because of him.
Not one of them is my favourite player in each position, but I have a positive attitude towards every one of them. I like them.
Gerrard - Hyypia - Van Dijk - Robertson
----------Alonso - Mascherano-------
Subs: Reina, Owen, Mane, Riise, Babbel, Carra
As ridiculous as it seems, I think Gerrard would be incredible as a modern right back. We haven't really had any world class RBs, and if he plays there that makes room for Coutinho as well. The only thing I'm unsure of is who should partner Van Dijk. Hyypia gives us strength and goal potential, but Carra would possibly be better at covering for Van Dijk in duels, like Gomez is doing so well now. Suarez, Torres, and Salah would have to play very fluidly, mixing positions often. Not sure how Torres would cope with that.
REAL MADRID - 4/4/2 - DEVASTATING COUNTER-ATTACKING
- Players at their prime
- Eto'o played 3 games for Madrid, ie less than 5 games
- Pace, pace & pace
- no #10
- Long passing skills : Xabi Alonso & Hierro... Edit: Stielike instead of sanchis below would make more sense in this regard.
- I don't know if @carvajal is better than Salgado
REAL MADRID - 3-5-2 - SILENT KILLER
REAL MADRID - ART & PLAYMAKING
I have ignored players like:
- Luis Enrique
.....................Van Der sar..........
..........koeman..stam...f de Bohr
They would probably fallout and argue but meh on the occasions they didn't you would have a team that was fun to watch
Great selections Ecstatic.I would choose the art and playmaking.Redondo is my weakness.Although based in his performance probably I wouldn't have chosen Didi but Di Stefano playing in the middle.
Salgado was more leader and better tactically but I think slower.
He was good when going to the attack, although before the full backs did not play like they do now.
I would need to see them in the same era
Thanks. Le'ts update then with new players but it's crazy the high number of world-class players who played for Real Madrid And when you loot at my Real Madrid teams, you would notice I have not mentioned butragueno, Figo, Guti, Hagi, Michel, Netzer, Conceiiao, Cambiasso, mijatovic, suker, amancio, ricardo carvalho, vazquez...
The definition of a playmaking team below!
Neville Stam Vidic Evra
Scholes Keane Pogba
Solskjaer Cole Ronaldo
Thuram Chiellini Bonucci Sandro
Vidal Pirlo Pogba
Dybala Del Piero Ronaldo
Carvajal Ramos Pepe Carlos
Beckham Modric Zidane Figo
Barcelona Alternate XI with a mix of old and recent favorites.
The number of popular or favorite starting XI combinations you can make with this club is quite remarkable, especially in attack and midfield. R-R-R or Ro-Ro, Maradona, Stoichkov, Luisito, Laudrup — or even hipster picks like Litmanen, Krankl, Hagi.
And one for Inter...
Meazza Fenômeno Mazzola
Matthäus Tardelli Suárez
Facchetti Bergomi Zanetti
No room for Burgnich, Baggio, Pirlo, Sammer, Cambiasso, Brehme and co. unfortunately...
Atletico Madrid of the last 30 years
Juanfran Godin Miranda Filipe Luis
Cameniro Schuster Simeone Futre
Some tough one's here. Goalies have been great De Gea, Molina, Couirtois and Oblak. De Gea is the best but he left at the age of 20 and they've had Oblak in his peak. Midfield I was very tempted to put Baraja or Valeron in but they were in the relegated team and I associate both more of being Valencia and Depor players since they only had two seasons. Schuster I guess is more associated with Barca but had three seasons at Atletico and they did better (than what the team did with Baraja and Valeron) with Schuster being a huge player. Hard to leave Saul, Gabi or Koke out also. Three personal favorites but I tried to use mainly players that no longer play in those positions since Atletico have had a lot of attacking and midfield talent.
Up front there's a luxury to chose from; Aguero, Torres, Costa, Kiko, Forlan can all feel unlucky.
That would be a team. Midfield has just about the right level of bastardry but also some elegance in passing and trickery on the wings. We know how great that back 5 is and Griezmann and peak Falcao would have a field day in any era.
Walker - Alderweireld - King - Vertonghen
Modric - Dembele
Eriksen - VdV - Bale
Thuram Cannavaro Chiellini Zambrotta
Ronaldo Del Piero
That's a stunning collection of forwards for the post-modern era. From memory, Hasselbaink also had an excellent season there, and Bobo Vieri ended up as Pichichi in his lone season at the club!
Zanetti Burgnich Samuel Facchetti
Matthaus L.Suarez Corso
Meazza Ronaldo Mazzola
J.Cesar, Maicon, Lucio, Bergomi, Brehme, Oriali, Cambiasso, Jair, Sneijder, Eto'o, Milito
Angloma Ayala Djukic Carboni
Mendieta Baraja Albelda Vicente
Deportivo La Coruna
Manuel Pablo Naybet Djukic Capdevilla
Mauro Silva Costinha
Makaay Valeron Rivaldo
Modern Spain pre euro 2008
Salgado Abelardo Nadal Sergi
Luis Enrique Cameniro
Yeah, Hasselbaink and Vieri scored for fun too. Jesus Gil basically didn't allow for stability otherwise Atletico would have won far more when he was around.
RB Thuram CB Lucarelli CB Cannavaro LB Benarrivo
CM Nakata CM D. Baggio CM Veron
RF Zola LF Stoichkov CF Crespo
What a team
RB Pablo CB Naybet LB Capdevila
CM Mauro Silva CM Fran CM Valeron
CF Tristan CF Makaay CF Bebeto CF Rivaldo
Fran staying on the left, Valeron bombing forward and Silva playing midfield on his own 4 upfront because why not haha
Wales AT XI, 433. If you can tell me how to embed the formation pic, that would help.
Thanks for starting this thread as it was good to look through our players (for a very small country, we've had some pretty good players tbh). Also, while looking at some players, I also found out some stuff I didn't know - the Football League "Top 100" and exactly why Jimmy Murphy wasn't on the plane in 58 (see end). So while they may not (all) be modern household names, of their times they were and really interesting to read up on them.
Manager - Jimmy Murphy with Gary Speed as player Asst
Goalie - Neville 'Binman' Southall. Goalie for the great mid 80s Everton team and still the best British goalie I've seen (and not because he was Welsh). One of a small number of goalies in the Football Leagues "100 legends"
Left Back - Gareth Bale. I know he could play upfront but we've had a few decent left wingers and Bale was also a very good LB .... think Spurs vs Milan and Bale skinning Maicon all game on his way to a hattrick. Amazing engine especially in his young days so can get up/down left flank
Left CH - Kevin Ratcliffe. Captain and leader of the Everton 80s team, comfortable with ball at feet. Also played LB at times during career so can drift if/when Bale pushes up
Right CH - John Charles. One of the greatest players in British history ..... a combination of Roy of the Rovers, Jaap Stam on steroids and Hot-shot Hamish but never carded in his career ..... voted Juventus' greatest all-time overseas player..... included in the Football Leagues "100 Legends". Yes, he could play up front but monster of a defender and fits with Ratcliffe (could still score from freekicks/corners)
Right back - Alf Sherwood. Known as the King of the sliding tackle and an 'all-in' FB. Stanley Matthews said he was "the most difficult opponent he ever played against" including when Sherwood captained Wales to a famous 2-1 win over England (Matthews, Roger Byrne, Billy Wright, Tom Finney, Nat Lofthouse et al)
Left midfield - Ryan Giggs. Again, yes he could play left wing but we've got more than one contender there and Giggs running down the inside left channel will give another attacking threat/option (think his runs Vs Spurs as a kid or 'that goal' vs Arsenal )
Centre midfield - Gary Speed (RIP). Massively underrated when people talk about midfielders in the PL era. 20 years for Leeds (Champions medal), Everton, Newcastle and Bolton... almost 100 goals from midfield, never saw him have a bad game. Respected by fans and players alike
Right midfield/inside right - Ivor Allchurch, the Golden Boy of Welsh soccer. A pacy attacker with a famous swerving run. Well over 270 career goals including scoring in both legs of the WC 58 qualifiers where we got to the WC for the only time and two goals in the tournament proper. Another member of the Football League "Top 100" players, a Swansea legend, top scorer with his statue at the ground
Left wing - Cliff Jones. A key member of Spurs' famous double winners. One of the top scoring wingers of British football (an almost 1 in 2 record for Spurs) and at the time, considered the best LW in the world with Juve offering a then world record fee which Bill Nicholson rejected. Yet another member of the Football League "Top 100" players
Right wing/outside right - Billy Meredith aka The Welsh Wizard or (per Uniteds website), Uniteds first superstar. Another member of the Football Leagues "Top 100" players. Winner of every domestic trophy including F A Cups with both Man City and Man United for whom he played over 700 games for, over 30 years. Helped us win our first league title and our oldest ever player. A founder member of the Players Union, with the FA demanding all players quit the union and when United didn't, we were temporarily suspended leading to us being called The Outcasts F C. Also accused of match fixing by the FA who then suspended him for a season (!). Attacking, fluid, maverick, despised by the FA, suspended, sounds like Eric?
Centre forward - Ian Rush. Still the best British goalscorer I've ever seen (despite main club). Another member of the Football Leagues "Top 100" players and well deserved. Almost 400 career goals of which 346 were for Liverpool at a top level and an almost 1 in 2 record - tap ins, headers, volleys ... deadly. Loads of medals/awards including a Golden Boot and holds most UK goalscoring records still
I hadn't come across the Football League Top 100 before but it's an interesting read .... the last 15 or so entrants are some of the creme de la crème of the last 30 years. If you've got a place in it (and a lot of this team do) you're probably deserving.
How Jimmy Murphy missed United's European game and ''Munich'.
- Love seeing Ozil and Guti playmaking -- making those beautiful passes. Plenty of assists there for Ronaldo-Ronaldo to make a meal of because why not.
Salgado Ramos Varane R. Carlos
- not balanced.
Alves Marquez Pavon Umtiti
David Villa Eto Ronaldinho
- Two generation of Maldini together, love to see that. Then their best side plus the two top prospects generations after.
Cafu Nesta Maldini Maldini
Pato Kaka Seedorf
- "Like" in this case is overstretching it. More like curious how this team lineup would work and how strong it would be. Looks too imbalance though. I like to see Coutinho play more centrally and develop his game (not at Liv before) as a #10 at the hole, rather than the inside winger or whatever his usual role is.
Carragher Hyypia van Dijk Agger
Gerrard Xabi Alonso
Babel Coutinho Sterling
GNev Rio Campbell Shaw
- Current squad..wait..
Dalot Bailly Lindelof Shaw
Rashford Sanchez Martial
Subs: Lingard, Fred, Mctominay, Matic, Young, Smalling, Romero
López Rekarte Gorriz Iñigo Martínez Aranzabal
Karpin Bakero López Ufarte
Bench: Bravo,Kodro, De Pedro, Griezmann, Vela
Sane Aguero Sterling
Silva ----De Bruyne
Clichy Kompany Laporte Walker
Chelsea "Favourite players"
Matic Kante Essien
Marcos Alonso Desailly Zouma Azpilicueta
CechChelsea "Physical Mayhem"
Felipe Luis Cahill Terry Ivanovic
Chelsea "Technical Magic"
Hazard Zola J. Cole
Marcos Alonso Desailly Carvalho Azpilicueta
CechChelsea "Pace to Burn"
Robben Hazard Willian
A. Cole Gallas David Luiz Ferreira
Chelsea "Rip 'Em Apart"
Hazard Lampard Robben
Marcos Alonso Terry Desailly Azpilicueta
Chelsea "Full Throttle Engine"Hazard Costa Willian
A. Cole Gallas Terry Azpilicueta
*Love to build United versions like this ones.
Separate names with a comma.