The literature says it’s anywhere between 5-25% survival to hospital discharge for OHCA in a <35 year old population [source]. As you say, it is higher in situations with early CPR and defibrillation but still has a high mortality.
Presumably the pitch-side medics are fully trained but are expecting to be called in case of head injuries, sprained ankles and the occasional broken bone. There will be one or more "crash teams" available in the stadium in the event that someone collapses - which is obviously much more likely to occur to some old geezer like me in the stands. Defibrillation doesn't have to be immediate as there should be time for assessment before that. (Early as possible is best of course!)
If a guy drops in front of you, you won't have time to go to school and learn it. If it should happen to you, I really do hope you will google it rather than stand by because you lack training.
He also collapsed again afterwards when it mistakenly shocked him during a game.
Joakim Mæhle too. Think he put him into the recovery position as he was the first player to get to him.
Sky are fecking toxic. They are the tabloid of TV.
Not really sure why this triggers so much anger. News is mostly about bad news. It's perfectly valid to speculate that he might not play football again.
I agree with this. My seven-year old daughter was watching the game with me. I took her out of the room when I realised what I was going. Then I came back and rewound because I wanted to know what was going on.
The man is still in Hospital.
I still consider it valid speculation. We've been doing the same in the mean time as well.
Fair enough. I dont agree with it. I dont believe its required.
I’m first aid trained, using a defibrillator is easy to do and you don’t have to be trained to use one, it talks you through it step by step on what to do. This is probably because it makes it easier for people who aren’t first aid trained to be able to use one and save someones life.
I wasnt suggesting they should have showed Eriksen once the situation was known to be serious, but that they shouldnt have cut to the studio
Newer models also don't even give shocks unless they detect cardiac arrrest or anomalies in the patient's heart rate. They're amazing devices if they're available in these types of situations. Even so, I highly recommend anyone to complete first aid training, because having an AED close by isn't always going to be the case, and then you need to start CPR right away and do a proper job of it.
Considering you're comparing this to camera personnel recording things at the scene of a car accident.....Feel free to document that the camera crew at football stadiums, or whatever sporting event, are instructed to go in for the best shots of someone in distress,
Where they told to get close ups of a potentially dead player and pan over to the wife in distress?
They could, just like NRK in Norway etc, have cut and gone back to studio. If the people in the studio are prepared to go live, it's instant, alternatively they can instantly go to a different screen and keep the audio.
I'm pretty sure it was the ambulance medics who ran on a bit afterwards with the defib. So my personal opinion is I don't see why each club physio doesn't have a defib in their first aid kit rather than relying on the ambulance medics who in theory will nearly always be on after the physios.
Yep. For all that people are saying the BBC had no control over the footage, other stations who presumably get the exact same footage took action not to show it.
That's the problem, they just speculate and guess. They don't bother waiting for actual facts.
While it might be perfectly valid on a factual level (nobody knows at this point, most likely not even the doctors that are treating him right now), it puts focus on something pretty irrelevant considering the circumstances, shows a lack of empathy and a questionable morale compass with a very questionable set of priorities.
It sounds like you have a very warped moral compass then
As someone mentioned earlier, he's only played 60 games over the last 2 seasons so being overworked doesn't appear to apply in this case.
I read up on Fabrice Muamba last night and his stopped for 78 minutes...
If he can't play again Inter will be able to make an insurance claim that will more than cover any remaining contractual obligations they have to Eriksen. I would imagine he also has some sort of illness cover himself.
Once he was reported to be in a stable condiion and article about whether he will play football again was only a matter of time. On my lists of beefs with how the media prioritizes it's news, this is pretty low on my list.
What a crazy number! I've read about such numbers, but it's so absurd that these cases even exist. That's 78 minutes with little to no oxygen. Can't believe people can survive this, no matter what neurological impairments might be the consequence. The human body is metal.As someone mentioned earlier, he's only played 60 games over the last 2 seasons so being overworked doesn't appear to apply in this case.
I read up on Fabrice Muamba last night and his stopped for 78 minutes...
He's now a youth coach at Rochdale.
Without knowing the underlying cause of this collapse, this stable condition is only relevant in the moment it's actually existent.
Yes, you can say I'm so used to the media's way of during things that I don't have great ire over speculation whether he might play again. I agree it would have been classy to wait untill he's out of hospital or more details have been confirmed. I've personally said I dont care if he plays again or not, just that he lives and takes care of himself. But for instance Eriksens close brush with death yesterday showed that football is fairly pointless compared to the value with human life. I would very much hope that both players and fans would take that message home and boycott the 2022 world cup in Qatar over the fact that thousands of workers have died so they can play and we can watch football being played in the scorching desert.
It really does boggle the mind.
Just to add, everyone can download the St John app. It shows you where your nearest defib machine is to you. As these machines are really easy to use, the app could prove to be a life saver. Great to see Christian is awake and responsive today.
People would if they saw it as drastic as they saw Eriksen's collapse yesterday. But why bother with something you are not confronted with? It's the same with everything in this regard.
I'm honestly not sure what you're on about anymore. Cameramen continue filming injuries of all kinds.. concussions and head injuries, players bleeding, horrible leg breaks etc. In fact the still photographers would have got even worse close-up shots from yesterday, but you don't see those, just because their editor didn't put them up for public viewing.
You're saying it yourself, the Norwegian broadcaster chose to cut off the feed, several other imbecile broadcasters didn't. They fecked up, showing us scenes which we didn't need to see, not the fault of cameramen doing their job.
The Qatar WC shouldn't happen because of the worker atrocities, you're right. But if it does happen, it would be a December/January WC and it certainly won't be scorching at that time.
Well they are confronted with it providing any of them are able to read a newsarticle. Instead they are just going to wear some shirts with the words human rights on it and that will be that. Anyway I don't want to go too off-topic about Qatar, it was just a broader perspective reflected on the incident from yesterday.
