Classic Players Thread - Sir Stanley Matthews

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Over the years we have seen a lot of really good stuff posted on here about various players, including first-hand accounts from some who actually saw some top class oldies in the flesh. Unfortunately, much of it ends up buried in Redcafe archives, often inside threads on something else, and if you missed it it’s just gone.

The idea behind this thread is to provide an index whereby some of these posts, threads and great player profiles are organised and can be readily accessed. Retired players only, active ones typically have their own threads ongoing.

Some posters have also volunteered to put stuff together on specific players. When it is a United player or an All-Time great they will merit their own threads, when it isn’t we will post it here and update the thread title to flag who is currently being discussed. We are scheduling these so each gets its own airtime for discussion and others chipping in (valuable input will be edited into the original post).

What we need from you:

1. If you ever put the time and effort into shedding light on a particular player, please PM us a link.

2. If you remember a particular thread or post on a player which was particularly good, please PM us the link.

3. If you want to volunteer writing a profile on any of the example players below, in no rush of course, please let us know by PM.

4. Same if you want to nominate and write about someone not listed. This includes supporters of rival clubs wanting to write about their own legends, of course.

Suggested structure: Picture – Name, nickname – Position (keep it simple, GK/FB/CB/DM/CM/Winger/#10/ST) – Honours – Career stats – Style of play – Quotes and anecdotes – Footage (if any)

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United Players

Billy Meredith

Duncan Edwards

Bobby Charlton

Denis Law – Link 1

George Best

Bryan Robson - Link 1

Paul McGrath – Link 1

Denis Irwin

Ryan Giggs

Eric Cantona

Roy Keane

David Beckham

Paul Scholes

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer

Ruud van Nistelrooy
 
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Players born before 1930

Isabelino Gradin - antohan

Artur Friedenreich

Ricardo Zamora

Karel Pesek - Raees

José Leandro Andrade - antohan

José Nasazzi

Héctor Scarone

Luis Monti

Raimundo Orsi

Silvio Piola

Matthias Sindelar

Giuseppe Meazza

Domingos da Guia

Leonidas da Silva

Gyorgy Sarosi

Arsenio Erico

Adolfo Pedernera

Angel Labruna

José Manuel Moreno

Stanley Matthews – Link 1

Tom Finney

Gunnar Gren - Annahnomoss

Nils Liedholm - Annahnomoss

Gunnar Nordahl - Annahnomoss

Valentino Mazzola

Obdulio Varela – antohan

Alcides Ghiggia - antohan

Juan Alberto Schiaffino - antohan

Zizinho

Jozsef Bozsik - Ecstatic

Zoltan Czibor - Ecstatic

Ferenc Puskas - Ecstatic

Sandor Kocsis - Ecstatic

Fritz Walter

Helmut Rahn

Nilton Santos

Djalma Santos

Didí - Raees

Vladimir Beara

Branko Zebec

Alfredo di Stefano

Lev Yashin - harms
 
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Players born in the 30s

John Charles

Kurt Hamrin

Just Fontaine - Ecstatic

Raymond Kopa - Ecstatic

Garrincha

Vavá

Altafini

José Sanfilippo

Omar Sívori

Jan Popluhar

Svatopluk Pluskal

Josef Masopust - Raees

Dragoslav Sekularac

Igor Netto - harms

Valeriy Voronin - harms

Eduard Streltsov - harms

Karl-Heinz Schnellinger - Raees

Uwe Seeler

Luis Suárez Miramontes – Joga Bonito

Armando Picchi

Néstor Gonçálves - antohan

Julio Cesar Abbadie - antohan

Juan Joya - antohan

Alberto Spencer - antohan

Antonio Rattin
 

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Players born in the 40s

Pelé

Eusebio

Bobby Moore

Jimmy Greaves

Florian Albert

Silvio Marzolini

Roberto Perfumo

Murtaz Khurtsilava - harms

Albert Shesternyov – harms

Boby Murdoch – Pat Mustard

Tommy Gemmell – Pat Mustard

Jimmy Johnstone – Pat Mustard

Bertie Auld – Pat Mustard

Giacinto Facchetti

Gianni Rivera

Sandro Mazzola

Gigi Riva

Dragan Dzajic - harms

Carlos Alberto

Gerson

Rivelino

Jairzinho

Franz Beckenbauer

Netzer – Joga Bonito

Gerd Müller – Joga Bonito

Ruud Krol

Willem van Hanegem

Johann Cruyff

Elías Figueroa – antohan

Wilfried van Moer - harms
 

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Players born in the 50s

Paul Breitner

Johan Neeskens

Oleh Blokhin - harms

Daniel Passarella

Mario Kempes

Fernando Morena - antohan

Paulo Roberto Falcao

Socrates - Raees

Zico - Raees

Karlheinz Förster

Bernd Schuster

Karlheinz Rummenigge

Gaetano Scirea

Marco Tardelli

Paolo Rossi

Alain Giresse – Gio/Moby

Michel Platini

Soren Lerby

Preben Elkjaer Larsen
 

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Players born in the 60s

Enzo Francescoli

Oscar Ruggeri

Diego Maradona

Andreas Brehme

Lothar Matthäus

Frank Rijkaard

Ruud Gullit

Marco van Basten

Franco Baresi

Paolo Maldini

Antonio Benarrivo - mazhar

Roberto Baggio

Carlos Valderrama

Paul Gascoigne

Jurgen Kohler

Jurgen Klinsmann

Hristo Stoichkov

Michael Laudrup

Romario

Gabriel Batistuta

Matthias Sammer

Marcel Desailly

Laurent Blanc

Fernando Hierro

Fernando Redondo

Davor Suker
 

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Players born in the 70s

Manuel Rui Costa

Alan Shearer

Paolo Montero

Ciro Ferrara

Edgar Davids

Zinedine Zidane

Alessandro del Piero

Christian Vieri

Josep Guardiola

Luis Enrique

Philip Cocu

Patrick Kluivert

Jari Litmanen

Claude Makelele

Luis Figo

Raúl

Cafú

Roberto Carlos

Rivaldo

Ronaldinho

Ronaldo

Alessandro Nesta

Gaizka Mendieta

Pavel Nedved

Roberto Ayala

Javier Zanetti

Juan Sebastián Verón

Pablo Aimar

Hernán Crespo

Sol Campbell

Patrick Vieira

Robert Pires

Marc Overmars

Thierry Henry

Fabio Cannavaro

Gennaro Gattuso

Clarence Seedorf

Andrea Pirlo

Andriy Schevchenko

Frank Lampard
 

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Sir Stanley Matthews
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He told me that he used to play for just 20 pounds a week. Today he would be worth all the money in the Bank of England. - Gianfranco Zola
The man who taught us the way football should be played - Pele
He was my first hero and still would be my hero if he was here today. It was an absolute pleasure to stand and watch him play. - Sir Bobby Charlton
I grew up in an era when he was a god to those of us who aspired to play the game. He was a true gentleman and we shall never see his like again. - Brian Clough
In his moments he would tear a man apart, tear a team apart. - Sir Matt Busby
Stanley Matthews is a perfectionist, and when he gets the ball he refuses to pass it just for the sake of passing it. He wants his colleagues to move into position, to get away from opponents into the right position for the pass that will bring a goal. If no one moves, Stan will hold the ball until everyone is in position. And no one can hold a ball like Stan. He has uncanny control, and looks quite happy when three or four men are around him. - Tommy Lowtown
Finney was the more consistent all-rounder, but no one mesmerised defences like Matthews on his day - Maurice Edelstone and Terence Delaney

The first ballon d'or winner was one of the finest dribbler of all time, dubbed as the Wizard and the Magician, he is considered the greatest pure right winger along with Garrincha. Most fans have seen footage of him when he was on the very tail end of his career. At or near the physical peak of his career, Sir Stan was unleashed lightning on the pitch. Even in his Fourties he was turning top-flight calibre defenders inside-out on a weekly basis for both club & country.

Place in history
One of the criticism people about Sir Stan is his lack of goals, that is because he played as a right-winger in the Chapman style W-M. He was supposed to stay out wide, drop back, make himself available, roast his marker, and get in pin-point crosses, all of which he was VERY good at. There were plenty of players who could bang in 20+ goals a season back then, but VERY few could set people up like Sir Stan. He was very much a playmaker in the team playing as outside right in W-M, and the right winger feeding near post crosses to the number 9 is the key attacking move in this formation. Matthews was probably the best ever at both setting up and delivering the final ball in this key connection.

Another complaint is his lack of trophies and the biggest reason was the English league system of that time. He played for a local club in the era before Johnny Haynes & Jimmy Hill broke the max wage. Why go to a big club like Arsenal or Chelsea, live away from what you were used to and be under all that pressure for the purposes of glory-hunting when you got paid exactly the same amount for staying right where you wanted to ? The likes of Coke & Nike also weren't handing out seven figure endorsement deals to plug their cola or trainers if you happened to play for a big club. Let's face it: a big reason why top players make a beeline for big clubs is in order to "ring the register" in the modern era. No such avenues or temptations existed for top players in Sir Stan's day & playing for England, which was the highest level of play, Sir Stan was dynamite on the pitch.

More than anything else though, he was an entertainer of the highest quality. Fo 20 or so years he was the biggest draw in English football, and its said that he used to draw 10,000 extra fans when playing on away ground, while filling his own ground with 22K faithfuls. In an era without TV or commercials income, he was an insanely important asset for his team.

Ballon D'or
His Ballon D'or is considered honorary by some fans, in that its given to him for some sort of lifetime achievement award. But thats quite far from the truth. The Ballon D'or was awarded like always by a panel of voters with Sir Stanley receiving 47 points over Di Stefano receiving 44, Kopa 33 and Puskas 32 points. The voting might be considered contentious like it was in many other years, but it wasn't an honorary award.

As for why would he receive it, in that year - He led Blackpool to second place behind only to Sir Busby's first great United team. England also played some blinders in that time as well: Hammering Spain @ Wembley 4-1 in Nov. of '55 (technically before '56, but I'm sure that it was still fresh in the voters' minds). In May of '56 England also hammered a Brazil XI 4-2 that had many of the future Sweden '58 WC-winners in the line-up while Sir Stan gave Nilton Santos, then considered one of the TOP left-backs around, a torrid time all throughout the match. Later in the same month, England also defeated W. Germany, who were the defending WC-champions, 3-1 on Germany's home turf in Berlin. So, while Di Stefano almost certainly had the better club season, Sir Stan almost definitely had the better year at international level. And in this era, Internationals (even friendly) were the highest level of football.

Videos
Here's some footage of Sir Stan when he was closer to his physical peak. Remember that the most of the clips will be on around 30 fps speed film, so you'll have to correct for the "live look" in your head as they seem slower than the real action.

Here's Sir Stan in action against Brazil in '56. Watch him getting past Santos practically at will and the quality of his passes, especially his crossing into the box:

This is Sir Stan in action against Spurs in the 6th Rd. of the FA Cup back in March of '48:

Here's Him & Sir Tommy Finney driving a ten man England forward to defeat a Wales XI 1-0 in Nov. of the same year. Pay particular attention to the clips where Sir Stan completely dismantles Wales L-B Alf Sherwood, who was one of the best around:

The redemption for Matthews after on the losing side of 2 cup finals, he was finally the hero at the age of 38, in 1953 cup final against Bolton:

Against Rest of the world XI, squaring against Hanappi who was one of the best around at that time -

Here's another one -

Here is a great profile on Sir Stan with the bits from the likes of Sir Matt Busby, Lofthouse, Mortensen etc - http://spartacus-educational.com/BLACKPmatthews.htm

This is one of my favorite "legends" videos from BBC - http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/football_legends/11900.shtml
 

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Great stuff, his display against Nilton Santos was breath taking to say the least. Arguably the best pure winger/wideman in the history of the game.
 

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Ronaldinho

There was a period in Ronaldinho’s time at Barcelona where he was almost unplayable. Effortless, relaxed, always with a smile on his face, he’s a genius with the ball. I love Brazilian football and he is one of the best ever players from that country.- David Beckham
Ronaldinho was responsible for the change in Barça. It was a bad time and the change that came about with his arrival was amazing. In the first year, he didn’t win anything but people fell in love with him. Then the trophies started coming and he made all those people happy. Barça should always be grateful for everything he did.- Lionel Messi
It is always a difficult task to pick out the best player but for me, Ronaldinho has been the one who played for the longest duration at the top of his game.- Pele
He is the man that makes the difference between a team that plays well and another that is really memorable. Ronaldinho alone can decide one game.- Frank Rijkaard
When I was at Barcelona, he was at the height of his career. Absolutely fantastic, the things he could do with the ball, and also the passing game he had was fantastic.- Henrik Larsson
There are not many players who can offer goal-scoring passes like he can. He is just marvellous. He is a rare case of an assist man who can provide the ball from anywhere.- Rui Costa
I’ve worked with some great players in my time and all at a very interesting period in their careers, nineteen to twenty years old. But, with due respect to the others, Ronaldinho was a cut above the rest.- Celso Roth, Ronaldinho's first coach at Grêmio
Ronaldinho was the closest thing to real magic. Playing with a smile in the face even when opponents tried to hurt him, he was a truly unpredictable player, gifted with great speed and supernatural ability, you just never knew what he was going to come up with.

Alleged decline after 2006 World Cup

It is true that the years between 2003 and early 2006 before the World Cup are Ronaldinho's prime but there is a general notion that after that period he barely played well and that couldn't be further from the truth. While Ronaldinho couldn't mantain the incredible standards he set for himself, he still kept playing at a very high level until 2013. He was Barcelona's top scorer in the 2006-07 season with 24 goals, and while his 2007-08 season was cut short by injuries and his 2008-09 season, his first in Milan, he was in and out of the team, in the 2009-10 season Ronaldinho achieved the closest form possible to the peak of his powers, notably playing very well against Real Madrid in both matches from the champions league and causing all sorts of problems for United's defense and scoring in the first leg of round of 16, there was alot of people calling for national team coach Dunga to call him up for the 2010 World Cup but he was ommited. Ronaldinho returned to Brazil in 2011 and immediately had a big impact in Flamengo, he was the team's top scorer of the year and helped them reach the Copa Libertadores for the 2012 season. After Flamengo, he signed for Atletico Mineiro and was a crucial player in a team which almost won the 2012 brazilian championship and won the 2013 Libertadores. Only in 2014 he started playing really bad, he had a brief spell in Queretaro and in July 2015 moved to Fluminense but terminated his contract just two months later and hasn't played profesional football since then.

Ballon d or (2005) and Fifa World player of the year awards (2004 and 2005)

Ronaldinho won the biggest individual awards in a time where he competed with players like Thierry Henry and Andry Shevchenko, both at their primes with Arsenal and Milan, with Shevchenko winning the 2004 ballon d or. Henry had been a crucial member of the Arsenal side which won the Premier League undefeated. Ronaldinho also won the awards despite Porto and Liverpool winning the two champions league in those years, with Deco and Gerrard playing a big role. In that time, Real Madrid had a squad with Zidane, Beckham Ronaldo and Figo and Chelsea was at the peak of the Mourinho era. As you can see, he played in a very competitive time in football history and still managed to reign supreme with relative ease.

International glory

Ronaldinho played a big part in Brazil winning the 2002 World Cup as his performance against England scoring a stunning freekick and setting up Rivaldo's goal sent Brazil to the semifinals, but due to scoring in the final Ronaldo took all the glory. In 2005 though, Ronaldinho was the biggest star of the team which won the confederations cup, scoring in the final against Argentina and having great performances through the entire tournament. He also won the 1999 Copa America, though still very young, he scored a fantastic goal against Venezuela which made him known to the World. Ronaldinho also holds a 2008 olympic Bronze medal.