Cleverley to Wigan on loan

[Chirag]

I think it would be a great loan deal for him.. I just thought SAF would want to keep him at the club and training with the 1st team because as far as I can recall he hasn't done that except for the past 2 pre-seasons..

 

[GCHQ]

I think it would be a great loan deal for him.. I just thought SAF would want to keep him at the club and training with the 1st team because as far as I can recall he hasn't done that except for the past 2 pre-seasons..

He just wouldn't get enough playing time though would he?

Valencia, Nani, Park, Giggs and Obertan. One of either Obertan or Cleverley had to go out on loan

 

[Pogue Mahone]

No way is Obertan ready to go on loan to a PL club. We'll need to be patient with him, I reckon. He wouldn't get a look in at a club battling against relegation.

 

[Devil_forever]

No way is Obertan ready to go on loan to a PL club. We'll need to be patient with him, I reckon. He wouldn't get a look in at a club battling against relegation.

Are you talking about him not being able to handle the mental side of things or do you not think he's just good enough right now? If its the latter then I disagree, he's shown glimpses of real talent for us and while he might be rough around the edges, he has shown what he can do when he puts it together (the wolfsburg game comes to mind). His pace and skill are real assets, its just his decision making and shooting that needs to improve, which you can expect it to do so, during the course of a season long loan.

On the topic of this thread, I'm not so sure about Cleverly going to wigan, if N'Zogbia isn't leaving. Bolton, under Coyle seem to have a much better structure and they've shown with Wilshire that they'll give their loanees more thna enough playing time.

 

[BAMSOLA]

I think you've greatly underestimated Obertan Pogue. There's no reason why when he is fit he can't contribute to the first team this season. He would easily start for the likes of Bolton, Wigan or Blackburn as he is more talented than anything they have on either flank.

I don't see him going on loan at any point in the forseeable future, we look to be preping him for the first team.

 

[Kelvin]

I don't see how Gibson is deemed good enough for our midfeld yet Cleverley isn't.

 

[davisjw]

I think you've greatly underestimated Obertan Pogue. There's no reason why when he is fit he can't contribute to the first team this season. He would easily start for the likes of Bolton, Wigan or Blackburn as he is more talented than anything they have on either flank.

I don't see him going on loan at any point in the forseeable future, we look to be preping him for the first team.

Couldn't disagree more. While Obertan has the talent, we've seen nothing from him to say he can execute it on the PL level. He's run out of bounds without anyone near him, missed easy goals, and lost the ball while trying to take on too many defenders.

I'd take Bolton's Korean and the N'Zogbia of last year over the Obertan of right now.

 

[TheReligion]

No way is Obertan ready to go on loan to a PL club. We'll need to be patient with him, I reckon. He wouldn't get a look in at a club battling against relegation.

What a load of tripe

 

[devilish]

No way is Obertan ready to go on loan to a PL club. We'll need to be patient with him, I reckon. He wouldn't get a look in at a club battling against relegation.

I agree. He lacks the workrate and crossing ability needed for such role

 

[Carl]

What a load of tripe

I don't think it's his talent that Pogue is questioning.

 

[Amir]

I don't see how Gibson is deemed good enough for our midfeld yet Cleverley isn't.

It may not be about being good enough NOW. Maybe Fergie sees something special in Cleverley and would rather give him regular football at Wigan rather than the odd (the very odd) match for us. Long term thinking rather than looking at who is the better player.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Re: Obertan. He's a long-term project. Bags of talent but not even close to being able to handle Premier League football every week. Especially at a club in the middle to bottom half of the league, where wingers are expected to do as much defending as attacking.

 

[The Physio]

Re: Obertan. He's a long-term project. Bags of talent but not even close to being able to handle Premier League football every week. Especially at a club in the middle to bottom half of the league, where wingers are expected to do as much defending as attacking.

Am I having some strange sense of déja vu or did you have the exact same argument with one of the French posters on here before?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I've no idea. Was he tipped to go on loan last season?

 

[cca3steve]

this would make 3 loans at once, premier league allowed 4 in a year, 2 at one time, so i dont see how this loan can be possible

 

[Wan]

I don't see how Gibson is deemed good enough for our midfeld yet Cleverley isn't.

Cleverley plays out wide. Gibson in the middle. There's a lot more chances of Gibson starting in the middle than Cleverley out wide. We only play two at most out wide. While in the middle there will be games where we play with 3 players there. Carrick, Ando, Scholes won't start every game.

Wings: Giggs, Valencia, Nani, Park, Obertan
middle: Scholes, Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs occasionally

 

[Georgie Best]

I don't like it, would hope he got the chance for us this season after his performances this summer... If he were to go on loan I would rather seen him go to Bolton whom were also rumoured to be after him. I think Wishere flourished under Coyle last season.

Well, I guess a season with Premier League experience will do him good, and he will get more of that at Wigan than with us.

 

[Shimo]

this would make 3 loans at once, premier league allowed 4 in a year, 2 at one time, so i dont see how this loan can be possible

Think it's 2 to one club is ma - not across the league.

 

[Georgie Best]

He said something about loaning him out untill jan last friday, i think initially it was believed Anderson would be out for much longer but with his quick recovery SAF thinks its better to send Cleveryley out on loan

That would make sense. First half of season we don't need to rotate nearly as much as we need after January when the players start to get tired. I hoped he did not go on loan this season and hopefully break trough our own ranks.. If that happen he can both get premier league experience as well as get a chance for our selves later in the season.

I hope that is how Ferguson opt to do it.

 

[Baby Faced Assassin]

I would much rather he goes to Bolton.

 

[RedThaiDevils#7]

I can't see the bad hype on why Obertan doesn't cross, basically when I've watched him, he prefers to short pass the ball backwards then go for a cross and rightly so there is a fullback right up his arse so a back pass isn't a bad option to go for.

He did really well in the Pre-Season games but then to get injured, you can see that he looks stronger and is willing to defend more... It's still that final ball which you need more games to improve with.

I'd say Obertan and Cleverly would be a cert. start for the carling cup or FA cup...

Would love to keep them, Nani/Valencia/Park/Giggs are awesome wingers. But we never know when either can get injured and Giggs cannot play every week ( He can but I wouldn't risk it cause he is such a wonderful player )

 

[sammsky1]

I dont really get all the positive hype for Cleverly (TBH, have not really seen him play that much) and the negative hype towards Gibson.

Age aside, Gibson reminds me a little of a young David Beckham. I think things are falling into place for him piece by piece and that this season will be a great year of consolidation for Gibson. he's certainly well worth having around the 1st XI squad and will be a very useful sub when we are chasing a game.

Maybe he's just a slightly later developer but as we have seen with Anderson, just because you explode onto the scene with talent does not mean you can sustain it. Right now, I'd say Anderson and Gibson where at about the same stage in their development.

 

[Longsden_7]

I dont really get all the positive hype for Cleverly (TBH, have not really seen him play that much) and the negative hype towards Gibson.

Age aside, Gibson reminds me a little of a young David Beckham. I think things are falling into place for him piece by piece and that this season will be a great year of consolidation for Gibson. he's certainly well worth having around the 1st XI squad and will be a very useful sub when we are chasing a game.

Maybe he's just a slightly later developer but as we have seen with Anderson, just because you explode onto the scene with talent does not mean you can sustain it. Right now, I'd say Anderson and Gibson where at about the same stage in their development.

Well there you go.

 

[gaffs]

I thought Fergie said he was staying.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Has the loan been confirmed?

 

[Chirag]

Has the loan been confirmed?

Nope.. Not yet..

 

[misterredmist]

Well I can see the logic of going to Wigan - Martinez certainly believes in his sides playing the right way.......... and no , he'd probably not going to get a great deal of play at OT for the time being....

 

[Kelvin]

its official now

Sky Sports | Football News | Premier League | Wigan Athletic | Latics land Cleverley

 

[SATA]

Welbeck and Cleverly

Hope they return to OT next year as better players and maturity.

 

[Mitch Conor]

its official now

Sky Sports | Football News | Premier League | Wigan Athletic | Latics land Cleverley

and now my fantasy football will have 11 starters who either played for united or are on loan from them.... as soon as the site is updated with cleverly at Wigan.

 

[devilish]

Its on the official site.

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={F9E570E6-407E-44BC-800F-4A3110258114}&newsid=6651789

I confess that Im a bit dissapointed since I would have loved to see Cleverley compete with Anderson and Carrick for regular first team football.

 

[Ekeke]

Yeah but that was never going to happen. He might have had the relevant experience to challenge for a place on the wing instead.

 

[devilish]

Yeah but that was never going to happen. He might have had the relevant experience to challenge for a place on the wing instead.

Why not? The player has talent and he can cover the Central midfield role. If Anderson/Carrick performance do not improve then Cleverley would have had a big chance to shine.

Oh well maybe I rate the kid too much.

 

[Cling Bak]

and now my fantasy football will have 11 starters who either played for united or are on loan from them.... as soon as the site is updated with cleverly at Wigan.

Howard
P.Neville - Shawcross - Evra
Valencia - Greening - Richardson - Cleverly
Rooney - Welbeck - Saha​

How did I do?

Its on the official site.

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={F9E570E6-407E-44BC-800F-4A3110258114}&newsid=6651789

I confess that Im a bit dissapointed since I would have loved to see Cleverley compete with Anderson and Carrick for regular first team football.

Doesn't Cleverly play out wide?

I think the move will do him good. Regular football, that's what we want him to get.

 

[devilish]

Howard
P.Neville - Shawcross - Evra
Valencia - Greening - Richardson - Cleverly
Rooney - Welbeck - Saha​

How did I do?





Doesn't Cleverly play out wide?

I think the move will do him good. Regular football, that's what we want him to get.

He can play in CM too. I do acknowlege the advantages of regular football but I still believe that he has the talent to challenge for a first team place now.

 

[Cling Bak]

He can play in CM too. I do acknowlege the advantages of regular football but I still believe that he has the talent to challenge for a first team place now.

I think it's more within our and his interest at the moment that he goes on loan. He'll struggle to get into our team, for obvious reasons (he's unproven, we have quite a few players in there). That would be a shame because he could improve a lot over the next season and then work his way in after that.

 

[devilish]

I think it's more within our and his interest at the moment that he goes on loan. He'll struggle to get into our team, for obvious reasons (he's unproven, we have quite a few players in there). That would be a shame because he could improve a lot over the next season and then work his way in after that.

This year's Cleverley would have been useful to have last season.

 

[Cling Bak]

If our central midfield plays in the way they did last season then I think that its not as difficult as it being portrayed to be.

If Scholes is anything to go by, so far they haven't.

Even a 21 year old is probably not the answer though, last year's standards or not (which finished us 2nd, of course).

I think he could be found wanting, like Wilshere was in Arsenal's first couple of games when everyone was convinced he was ready. Which would do his confidence no good at all. On loan to Wigan he can shine and the pressure won't be as high. Plus, despite being a bit shit, Wigan do like to play a bit. I think it's a good move.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Doesn't Cleverly play out wide?

I think the move will do him good. Regular football, that's what we want him to get.

Yes.

For some strange reason Devilish has decided that he will displace central midfield stalwarts Carrick and Anderson in a position I don't think he's actually played once in his entire professional career.

Even if this flight of fancy did actually come true and Cleverley miraculously displaced one or other of the other players, I'm guessing he's flat out of ideas about what the feck we would do with Carrick and Anderson?

 

[Cling Bak]

Yes.

For some strange reason Devilish has decided that he will displace central midfield stalwarts Carrick and Anderson in a position I don't think he's actually played once in his entire professional career.

Even if this flight of fancy did actually come true and Cleverley miraculously displaced one or other of the other players, I'm guessing he's flat out of ideas about what the feck we would do with Carrick and Anderson?

I have only seen him play out wide and even that isn't dozens of times so I, perhaps naively, took him on this word about CM.