You just can’t say that about Matic and Bailly. Heck, even though I love Bailly I realize his heading ability is much weaker than other options. As for Matic, he would not make Spurs better for example, there is not a single Spurs-fan who would have swapped Dembele for him. So yeah, many questions.
Combined United, Spurs and City first XI
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I don't think many ManUtd fans will swap Matic for Dembele either.
Dembele is arguably the most under rated CM in the prem. He would definitely make that lineup over matic.
I know you're joking but De Bruyne doesn't count as a double-barrelled surname does it? Although De does slightly change the meaning/origin of the name.
And you could make that same case for just about any other player selected too. Truth be told only really DDG is indisputable.
Our defence really don’t get the credit they should, we currently have the best defence in the league, we had the best defence in the league two seasons ago, and last season we were on equal footing with Spurs until we decided to do away with our league campaign and focus on Europa entirely.
De Gea and Pogba would definitely be in the team.
Jones or Bailly would have a shout, one of them.
You could make a case for Valencia over Walker. I certainly would anyway.
Jones or Bailly would have a shout, one of them.
You could make a case for Valencia over Walker. I certainly would anyway.
Which is exactly my point, debating the «no question» about it the post I quoted. You can say no question with regards to De Gea, de Breuyne and Kane - not Bailly and Matic.
4x2x3x1
GK: David de Gea
RB: Kyle Walker
LB: Mendy
CB1: Bailly
CB2: Otamendi
MCDf: Matic
MCB2B: Delle Ali
MA C: David Silva
SS R: De Bruyne
SS L: Rashford
STC: Harry Kane
Only three players of our squad would get into the team. I'm being as much honest as possible, even though Bailly would probably be replaced by someone else.
GK: David de Gea
RB: Kyle Walker
LB: Mendy
CB1: Bailly
CB2: Otamendi
MCDf: Matic
MCB2B: Delle Ali
MA C: David Silva
SS R: De Bruyne
SS L: Rashford
STC: Harry Kane
Only three players of our squad would get into the team. I'm being as much honest as possible, even though Bailly would probably be replaced by someone else.
I thought this was about making the best 11 from the 2 squads, now which player can be swapped. For a record there was one spurs fan who said he won't swap Lloris for De Gea.
Some people are crazy though, that’s for sure. That being said, Man Utd would probably not do worse with Lloris and Spurs would not do better with de Gea. Both very good shotstoppers, Lloris slightly more prone to unforced errors to steal from tennis. Both make more exceptional saves relative to all others in the league, especially with their legs.
Rashford ahead of Leroy Sane and Dele Alli instead of Paul Pogba? Jog on mate...
Why not Rashford ahead of Sane? You think everyone loves City players like few ManUtd fans do? This season both have scored 7 goals and 4 assists in all competitions.
Not necessarily the best 11, but for better balance:
De Gea
Walker, Bailey, Vertonghen, Mendy
De Bruyne, Matic, Pogba
Sterling, Kane, Sane
- Matic+Pogba has to start together (hence no Fernandinho)
- Kane over Augero, Jesus, Lukaku, and every other striker in the world
- De Bruyne is the key of everything (hence no Eriksen)
- Pace on wing is a must, so Sterling the only valid option on the right
- I preferred Sane over Rashford as he always seems to pick up De Bruyne brilliant through balls with his run and followed up by scoring (although I personally rate Rashford a little higher)
- Back 4 I think more or less are the obvious choice, De Gea is De Gea
De Gea
Walker, Bailey, Vertonghen, Mendy
De Bruyne, Matic, Pogba
Sterling, Kane, Sane
- Kane over Augero, Jesus, Lukaku, and every other striker in the world
- De Bruyne is the key of everything (hence no Eriksen)
- Pace on wing is a must, so Sterling the only valid option on the right
- I preferred Sane over Rashford as he always seems to pick up De Bruyne brilliant through balls with his run and followed up by scoring (although I personally rate Rashford a little higher)
- Back 4 I think more or less are the obvious choice, De Gea is De Gea
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because Sane is a better left winger, it's no slight on Rashford that people think Sane is a better left winger.
Rashford is as good this season, so not sure why anyone would question picking Rashford over Sane considering how good Rashford has been in creating or scoring first goal.
Despite picking De Gea myself I think Lloris is quite underrated on this thread, for me there is not much between the two keepers. And if I am to list just one of Lloris' qualitites over De Gea is his leadership, he truly is a vocal leader and it's not by accident he is our captain.
Do you really think Pogba has shown to be better than Dele Alli at this point? I'm still hugely disappointed with his overall performance to be honest. He's not the complete midfielder we all thought he would become at Utd.
Tbf Dele Alli was certainly better than Pogba last season. If he's basing it off that then that's fair enough. Whether he should base that off one season is another question....
I think Rashford can become a fantastic left support striker instead of insisting to play him as a striker. His best games so far are in that position. Sané is an excelent player, but I prefer Rashford qualities. It's just a matter of preference.
De Gea
Walker - Bailly - Alderweireld - Mendy
Matic
De Bruyne -Pogba - Eriksen
Kane - Lukaku
Edit: thanks @PacificgiWalker - Bailly - Alderweireld - Mendy
Matic
De Bruyne -Pogba - Eriksen
Kane - Lukaku
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I don't see how bailey doesn't get in that team...
I would agree with this team.
Whoops. Swap hazard and Alonso for sane and rose
deGea
Jones Aldewireld Vertonghen
Valencia Matic Pogba Mendy
KdB Eriksen
Kane
Jones Aldewireld Vertonghen
Valencia Matic Pogba Mendy
KdB Eriksen
Kane
De Gea
Walker-Bailly-Alderweireld-Davies
Pogba-de Bruyne
Sterling-Alli-Eriksen
Kane
Bench: Ederson, Jones, Valencia, Fernandinho, D. Silva, Sane, Lukaku
Walker-Bailly-Alderweireld-Davies
Pogba-de Bruyne
Sterling-Alli-Eriksen
Kane
Bench: Ederson, Jones, Valencia, Fernandinho, D. Silva, Sane, Lukaku
Because Alderweireld and Vertonghen are just better?
I'd certainly find it hard to argue that Bailly deserves to usurp one of them in that partnership.
Its a tough call and really depends on what style you intend to use. For me:
Lloris
Alderweireld Bailly Vertonghen
Walker Mendy
Dembele De Bruyne
Eriksen
Aguero Kane
Defence high line, so prefer a sweeper keeper - but no drop off if De Gea is chosen in goal. Pace in the full backs (Aurier/rose/Valencia) could switch in with marginal drop off. Stones could replace Verts. No need for matic due to 3 at the back and Dembele has enough defensive nous as well as more dribbling ability, but could replace with Matic/Fernandinho if wanting to be less open likewise Pogba for De Bruyne with De Bruyne replacing Eriksen could also achieve. All in all, I think all 3 squads have quality players with minimal drop off no matter whom you chose. If this was including Chelsea it would be a similar picture, what I do find interesting however is when you drop down a few places to the normal "top 4" very few Liverpool/Arsenal players would make it into the squad (I couldn't think of any really to replace from the 3 squads which is a first).
Lloris
Alderweireld Bailly Vertonghen
Walker Mendy
Dembele De Bruyne
Eriksen
Aguero Kane
Defence high line, so prefer a sweeper keeper - but no drop off if De Gea is chosen in goal. Pace in the full backs (Aurier/rose/Valencia) could switch in with marginal drop off. Stones could replace Verts. No need for matic due to 3 at the back and Dembele has enough defensive nous as well as more dribbling ability, but could replace with Matic/Fernandinho if wanting to be less open likewise Pogba for De Bruyne with De Bruyne replacing Eriksen could also achieve. All in all, I think all 3 squads have quality players with minimal drop off no matter whom you chose. If this was including Chelsea it would be a similar picture, what I do find interesting however is when you drop down a few places to the normal "top 4" very few Liverpool/Arsenal players would make it into the squad (I couldn't think of any really to replace from the 3 squads which is a first).
I love Lloris an unhealthy amount, and he's a fantastic keeper ... but De Gea is just better. Spurs fans picking Lloris is like United fans Bailly, it just doesn't really come from any rational place other than homerism.
Aside from De Gea and Pogba United don't really belong in the discussion. Our attack is behind both, our full backs are miles behind both, and our defenders are worse than Spurs'
De Gea would get in to any team in the world, because he's the best keeper.
De Gea would get in to any team in the world, because he's the best keeper.
Lloris has far more sketchy moments than De Gea and I only watch a fraction of Spur's games
Ederson has been the better sweeper keeper this season.
De Gea
Walker Alderweireld Bailly Rose
Dembele Pogba
De Bruyne Eriksen Sane
Kane
Could easily have Aguero/Vertonghen/Valencia/Mendy in their respective positions.
Walker Alderweireld Bailly Rose
Dembele Pogba
De Bruyne Eriksen Sane
Kane
Could easily have Aguero/Vertonghen/Valencia/Mendy in their respective positions.
Ah another self hate thread in disguise...
And you've still got room to add in Eriksen
Absolutely.
"United, Spurs and City"? Well feck you!