RedOrange
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I think almost a big a concern is how few of these goals we score ourselves.
Other teams have midfielders who run back and track the attackers.
I think almost a big a concern is how few of these goals we score ourselves.
This. If FIFA players can figure out the easiest way to score is via low cutbacks I think these well paid analyst can figure it out too. I know its only a game but the logic is still the same which is dragging the defenders wide and deep then putting the ball into an empty spot in the middle of the box to be finished by runners. The problem which I dont understand is our team rarely ever attempted this move while all other top teams (esp city, pool, arsenal) keep spamming this move to a high success rate. Our wingers (esp rashford) keeps cutting in for whatever mysterious reason.Not surprising. With the rise of data and analytics, football in general seems to be converging around the cut-back goal as the most optimal way to score, in the same way that basketball has converged around the three-pointer.
We had a couple of pull back chances but 3-4 Brighton players converged on the shot.
Isn't the cut back a basic element of attacking play? I think the poor decision making of Rashford contributes to our lack of goals from this front.
It’s the physics of being able to hit more of the ball, making chances that much better to convert to shots on goal. City have been doing it for years
Isn't the cut back a basic element of attacking play? I think the poor decision making of Rashford contributes to our lack of goals from this front.
You talk madnessIf we want more cut back opportunities, then we need to play left footed attackers and right footed attackers on the right.
It feels like Ten Hag sold the forward press as the magic bullet that solves all problems and the whole squad looks like a fish out of water once its bypassed.
Very simplistic take and frankly wrong. City are net left wide open if the initial pass is bypassed. Its not about outscoring someone in a high scoring match. Look at Brighton's first goal, our forward are not pressign at all, Brighton centre backs had time to pick a pass through our lines and then cut through us. Just a messThats how the forward pressing works even in an ideal situation. You leave massive gaps that wouldnt be there if you are sitting back in a solid shape. You are gambling on success and leaving yourself vulnerable if the opposition are able to play through it, or easier than that can time a longer pass towards a forward player making a run.
So you need to have the result of recovering the ball several times in advanced positions and making the most of it with goals. When you dont have that it hasnt worked and you've left yourself easier to attack against.
Funnily enough, this is something I have to hammer the young lads on my team currently and why I still get decent minutes at my age.
Your job as a midfielder is tracking runs as well. If you're clever enough position yourself to cut off the angles, fair play. It's far easier to just follow the run of the man off the ball and get goalside or in-between the ball and player, though.
Our midfield just don't do it. My hope is Amrabaat should be doing this for us, but the rest need to pull their fingers out their arse and stop ball watching.
likewise! The principles remain the same though - it doesn't even take any quality though, it's a bit of concentration and effort. The minimum I would expect for the highest level in the land.Indeed. I play midfield also, and the way teams break and look for the pass into the middle, if you can read the run your opposite number is making and then cut the pass off or jockey him, you can start cutting it out. Obviously, the standard is a million times higher, but I don't see many of our players making tackles or interceptions like that. It's all either brainless or half-arsed movement.
likewise! The principles remain the same though - it doesn't even take any quality though, it's a bit of concentration and effort. The minimum I would expect for the highest level in the land.
Very simplistic take and frankly wrong. City are net left wide open if the initial pass is bypassed. Its not about outscoring someone in a high scoring match. Look at Brighton's first goal, our forward are not pressign at all, Brighton centre backs had time to pick a pass through our lines and then cut through us. Just a mess
I do think that's what managers are getting at that we're easy to play through. An attacker off the ball only needs to run directly forward and they end up wide open. I think that also leads to silly over commitments from players like Martinez, trying to make up for people's and their own mistakes. Creates a sense of panic across the defence and a calm, organised team make light work of it.Absolutely, it's about hard work and concentration. Too often our lot either hit panic stations and rush around with no thought, or players jog across or back while the opposition make clever runs (sometimes not even at pace!) and score. We concede like this all the time, it is infuriating.
I cant speak for the Arsenal game, but against us your midfield diamond left the wings wide open and allowed us to pull some of your central players out wide and creating space in the middle as well, once we tweaked the way we were playing to play out through your press after about 20 mins it was pretty simple to create the spaces.It's just so easy to score against us like this, we are so bad positionally and our players are so lazy in the defensive transition. The Odegaard one and the 3 from Brighton were especially bad.
It feels like every cutback will get through us and Onana has no chance saving it.
I do think that's what managers are getting at that we're easy to play through. An attacker off the ball only needs to run directly forward and they end up wide open. I think that also leads to silly over commitments from players like Martinez, trying to make up for people's and their own mistakes. Creates a sense of panic across the defence and a calm, organised team make light work of it.
Casemiro is finished. Eriksen literally cannot run.
Our midfield has been a problem for longer than I can remember.
It would be nice if we could score a few cut back goals instead of conceding them all the time.
Yeah it's really poor. Gnabry having this much space is not right. Was licha the one that should have been there? I forget. In any case it's terrible.Defenders just staring at the ball and not pushing back by sprinting and closing the ball down/marking someone. Just pathetic. Waiting for someone else to do it rather than taking it on themselves.
Very selfish group of individuals we have in the squad so no surprise we just fold like a cheap deck chair.
We’d need to have players willing to cut the ball back when in good positions. We just don’t have them.It would be nice if we could score a few cut back goals instead of conceding them all the time.