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He's right about Lukaku in fairness. Still a clown though.
 

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Jeez!! I hope you are kidding but wouldn't surprise me if you weren't. Its becoming increasingly difficult to express opinions in here frankly without someone accusing you of having hidden agendas. This is a new one. You call it as you see it, well you must be racist.:houllier::houllier:
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“I wouldn’t call him a clever striker – he’s big and powerful and gets his ratio of goals. But it’s against the weaker teams.
I have a problem with him assuming anyone who is big and strong is not intelligent. He is jumping to that conclusion automatically when there is a lot of evidence to the contrary. By his own account the lukaku knows 6 different languages and the runs that he made during the world cup were excellent and very intelligent. More importantly it is lazy journalism to brand black strikers as brutes without brain relying on their brute strength without having any intelligence. Which is why it is borderline racist imo. I am all for expressing your opinion but do it in a responsible manner.
 

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The quote in question is as follows.

I have a problem with him assuming anyone who is big and strong is not intelligent. He is jumping to that conclusion automatically when there is a lot of evidence to the contrary. By his own account the lukaku knows 6 different languages and the runs that he made during the world cup were excellent and very intelligent. More importantly it is lazy journalism to brand black strikers as brutes without brain relying on their brute strength without having any intelligence. Which is why it is borderline racist imo. I am all for expressing your opinion but do it in a responsible manner.
Burley is a daft cnut make no mistake about it but you're really jumping at conclusions here.
 

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He is at it again saying lukaku will be outed(sic) by the next manager who comes in. He says that lukaku isn’t an intelligent striker and he is a big and strong striker. Why do people persist with this theory that lukaku isn’t intelligent. Is it borderline racist??
No it's not racist.
He is Big and strong but I wouldn't say he's not intelligent rather he's lacking technically. He needs coaching and needs to be used right.
 

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No it's not racist.
He is Big and strong but I wouldn't say he's not intelligent rather he's lacking technically. He needs coaching and needs to be used right.
But that’s exactly what burley said. Just refer to my previous post.
Burley is a daft cnut make no mistake about it but you're really jumping at conclusions here.
Anyway I didn’t say he was a foaming at the mouth racist. Just that it could be considered borderline racism.
 

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But that’s exactly what burley said. Just refer to my previous post.

Anyway I didn’t say he was a foaming at the mouth racist. Just that it could be considered borderline racism.
Only by people with absolutely no sense of perspective.

I wouldn't even say Lukaku was particularly strong to be honest. He is immobile, cumbersome and technically limited though.
 

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Only by people with absolutely no sense of perspective.

I wouldn't even say Lukaku was particularly strong to be honest. He is immobile, cumbersome and technically limited though.
What sense of perspective can a person have which makes it seem not racist? Does anyone have any quotes from burley for any other striker/player of any other race? I mean arnautovic is also built similarly. I hear no one call him big and strong. Same with ibra. So big and strong has nothing to do with build but something else??
 

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What sense of perspective can a person have which makes it seem not racist? Does anyone have any quotes from burley for any other striker/player of any other race? I mean arnautovic is also built similarly. I hear no one call him big and strong. Same with ibra. So big and strong has nothing to do with build but something else??
Feck me this is hard work. He's saying that - as footballer - Lukaku is big (true) and, in football terms, lacks intelligence (also true). The framework of the conversation is football and footballing abilities - not racial genetics or linguistics.

And in strictly footballing terms he's correct. You wouldn't say the same about Zlatan because it isn't true. Zlatan is an intelligent footballer. Lukaku isn't.

That's really all there is to it.
 

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I used to watch ESPNFc regularly but you don't learn much from most of them. pretty average stuff.
There are lot of people her on redcafe that can give better analysis than the so called paid specialists.
I found Gab Marcotti, Sid lowe and Raphael Honigstein more acceptable.
 

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The quote in question is as follows.

I have a problem with him assuming anyone who is big and strong is not intelligent. He is jumping to that conclusion automatically when there is a lot of evidence to the contrary. By his own account the lukaku knows 6 different languages and the runs that he made during the world cup were excellent and very intelligent. More importantly it is lazy journalism to brand black strikers as brutes without brain relying on their brute strength without having any intelligence. Which is why it is borderline racist imo. I am all for expressing your opinion but do it in a responsible manner.
Lukaku is not an intelligent footballer. He is big and strong. These are two mutually independent statements both of which happen to be true. His actual intelligence and ability to speak 6 languages has nothing to do with his footballing intelligence.
 

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Burley has never been the most intelligent, the fact he even has a position such as this is baffling. I haven't watched the video anyway and don't plan to, had my fill of him o'er the years.
 

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What sense of perspective can a person have which makes it seem not racist? Does anyone have any quotes from burley for any other striker/player of any other race? I mean arnautovic is also built similarly. I hear no one call him big and strong. Same with ibra. So big and strong has nothing to do with build but something else??
You're what's wrong with this world.
 

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Lukaku is not an intelligent footballer. He is big and strong. These are two mutually independent statements both of which happen to be true. His actual intelligence and ability to speak 6 languages has nothing to do with his footballing intelligence.
He is intelligent though. His best comes from drifting wide and taking on the space between the centre halves and fullback.
He also shown he was one of the best in our squad with his ability to play a through ball. You need to find space and spot the run to be successful.
Is he technically good enough? No.
Does that make him unintelligent?
 

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He is intelligent though. His best comes from drifting wide and taking on the space between the centre halves and fullback.
He also shown he was one of the best in our squad with his ability to play a through ball. You need to find space and spot the run to be successful.
Is he technically good enough? No.
Does that make him unintelligent?
He's as mobile as a bollard, numerous times I've seen Pogba gesturing to him to move. Its so tiresome watching him being so static in the middle.
 

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What sense of perspective can a person have which makes it seem not racist? Does anyone have any quotes from burley for any other striker/player of any other race? I mean arnautovic is also built similarly. I hear no one call him big and strong. Same with ibra. So big and strong has nothing to do with build but something else??
Ibra was regularly ascribed those attributes. He had a lot more to his game though.
 

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He's as mobile as a bollard, numerous times I've seen Pogba gesturing to him to move. Its so tiresome watching him being so static in the middle.
That doesn't make him unintelligent though.
Rashford makes more runs than anybody, does that make him Einstein?
 

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That doesn't make him unintelligent though.
Rashford makes more runs than anybody, does that make him Einstein?
I never said he wasn't but I do think he isn't a natural finisher. Quite poor anyway for a top sides main striker. Probably the reason he was 4th on Jose's list for a striker when he came in.
 

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Feck me this is hard work. He's saying that - as footballer - Lukaku is big (true) and, in football terms, lacks intelligence (also true). The framework of the conversation is football and footballing abilities - not racial genetics or linguistics.

And in strictly footballing terms he's correct. You wouldn't say the same about Zlatan because it isn't true. Zlatan is an intelligent footballer. Lukaku isn't.

That's really all there is to it.
But there is evidence to the contrary. Just look at the run he made for one of the goals against japan in the world cup for belgium in their come from behind win. That is pure football intelligence. And it’s just the one which I remember of the top of my head. There must be many more such instances if you look at his goals or gameplay. That he hasn’t been able to do it for united doesn’t make him unintelligent.

You're what's wrong with this world.
Feck me. Didn’t realize that all the problems of the world originated from me. The genocide in syria, the terrorism in Iraq and the rest of the world is my fault.
 

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He is intelligent though. His best comes from drifting wide and taking on the space between the centre halves and fullback.
He also shown he was one of the best in our squad with his ability to play a through ball. You need to find space and spot the run to be successful.
Is he technically good enough? No.
Does that make him unintelligent?
His off the ball movement is atrocious. Also his ability to engage the CBs without the ball is suspect at best.
 

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AS a player and now as a pundit I think he has always said exactly what is on his mind but I also think he just likes winding people up.
Doesn't necessarily mean he is wrong, but I think he likes to get under people's skin and be controversial sometimes just for the sake of it.
 

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Feck me this is hard work. He's saying that - as footballer - Lukaku is big (true) and, in football terms, lacks intelligence (also true). The framework of the conversation is football and footballing abilities - not racial genetics or linguistics ... That's really all there is to it.
This would only be true if white blokes hadn't spent the last 400 years developing a stereotype that defines big black men as stupid, and if you really believe that Craig Burley - a complete dinosaur and possibly one of the dumbest people on the planet - didn't absorb that stereotype as he grew up in the socially liberated paradise of the Glasgow suburbs. Do you believe that? Really?

Can we give Burley the benefit of the doubt? Sure - that's why bludsucker said it was only borderline racist, but to simply deny the possibility that it is rooted in our racist past is ... uhm ... lacking in awareness.