How much weaker were his teams then Messi?
Do you honestly think Portugal had the talent to no win a World Cup during his career?
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Do you honestly think Portugal had the talent to no win a World Cup during his career?
Its rather meaningless to discuss "if" scenario, and there's no point to go further from anything hypothetical, which hasn't been true case at all.
Also, you are just doing a guessing game here, Juventus has been buying other big players such as De Ligt anyway. Can't blame it all on Ronaldo for taking up their revenues. Ronaldo has by far the biggest commercial values and followings out of every player in sports world, remember? I am sure they will make it up somewhere, such as shirt sells or sponsorship deals etc by merely having Ronaldo in their team.
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Portugal was very talented and losing to Uruguay was bad.
I blame Messi for not playing sweeper in the return leg. In fact I'll blame Messi before I'll blame any of the 10 other players on the pitch as well as the manager.
Best shut down all chat forums if we can’t speculate and have hypothetical conversations. Or maybe you need to toddle off and start a factual only borefest forum to post on. Will be pretty lonely in there, but I’m sure you’ll cope!
You don't have to act so discouraged here. There are plenty things worthy to discuss about, even though your "what if" scenario doesn't make it to the list here.
You are trying to convince yourself by repeating this.
Ronaldo since changing clubs has achieved more success than Madrid, there are no prizes handed out for losing in CL. Also, it's ludicrous you are pinning Juventus CL failures on him. He literally scored every single one of their CL goals in knockout rounds for 2 years straight. Juventus managed 7 goals combined in 6 matches across his first two season. He didn't score this year but managed to assist 2. So, his overall contribution is 7 goals and 2 assists in 8 KO matches for Juventus where they have scored 12 goals combined, that's 75% contribution. Also, it's disingenuous to bring up Juventus reached 2 CL Finals in 3 years before signing Ronaldo. They were an ageing side, in need of replacement pretty much across the park. Their signings have been poor, and not to mention, Pirlo was a terrible appointment this season.
Given your posting history, I should've expected more biased takes out of you. But, this is something else. Now, I'm sure you'll move goalposts again and spring another mental gymnastics. That's what you've been doing for 7 years now, which is quite pathetic.
Why has your boy not even won a copa America? No answer.
because he was getting knocked out by the same teams that also beat Portugal (Chile)
ronaldo had more success joining a team that won the previous 9 serie A’s. It is MUCH harder to win la liga than serie a. No one in their right mind would say Juve have been better than Real Madrid since Ronaldo left. Not one.
You are trying to convince yourself by repeating this.
Ronaldo since changing clubs has achieved more success than Madrid, there are no prizes handed out for losing in CL. Also, it's ludicrous you are pinning Juventus CL failures on him. He literally scored every single one of their CL goals in knockout rounds for 2 years straight. Juventus managed 7 goals combined in 6 matches across his first two season. He didn't score this year but managed to assist 2. So, his overall contribution is 7 goals and 2 assists in 8 KO matches for Juventus where they have scored 12 goals combined, that's 75% contribution. Also, it's disingenuous to bring up Juventus reached 2 CL Finals in 3 years before signing Ronaldo. They were an ageing side, in need of replacement pretty much across the park. Their signings have been poor, and not to mention, Pirlo was a terrible appointment this season.
Given your posting history, I should've expected more biased takes out of you. But, this is something else. Now, I'm sure you'll move goalposts again and spring another mental gymnastics. That's what you've been doing for 7 years now, which is quite pathetic.
Every time Argentina play a copa America they get knocked out by Chile. Okay.
most of the time yes, the other team? Brazil
Really? So through out his career Portugal was “very talented” ? That’s delusional.
2018 until now we have started to have a much better and the best team he has had in his career but this is at the end of his career.
Even then we would have not won in 2018.
If Ronaldo had the talent Messi did for his country through out his career he probably and most likely has a world cup trophy to go with his euro.
Portugal have been very talented in the last five years, went ten straight matches without Ronaldo without a loss. They are stacked
No ronaldo wouldn’t, because when he doesn’t have the best midfield in the world behind him or Eder he gets bounced early. He’s an amazing player but without proper service which he wouldn’t get with Argentina he’d get knocked out just as often
The arguments used here are...Dubious at best if not completely fallacious...
Ronaldo in the 2014 Argentina team wins the World Cup final.
Gets bounced early but won the euro with Portugal…
Unless Adrien, William, and Joao Mario are the best midfield in the world?
Ronaldo is the best player of his generations for a reason.
He was carrying Portugal with Veloso and Raul Meireles behind him and Postiga alongside him.
In the last 5 years there has been ONE international tournament….
Thanks for making my point. He has had one decent team around him in Portugal for a major tournament (World Cup 18).
My point stands valid, Portugal have had a far worse Team then Argentina throughout his whole career yet Ronaldo has produced far better.
Ronaldo is out of this world as a competitor, Messi is otherworldly due to his natural talent. Ronaldo has won something with his country and also has been close couple of times before. His longevity is remarkable and he will be remembered as the best with Messi. No ifs and buts about it. Portugal have a strong team now we might see them go far again. How far do we think Messi will take Argentina this time?
Winning something with their country was so important until Ronaldo did it and Messi didn't
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
The bias is so obvious in these debates.
Had Messi won the copa and Ronaldo lost in the euro after missing the penalty that made his team lose and QUITTING on his country and these debated would of have been over.
Ronaldo had by far the most dominant period of football in the last 30 years if not more.
3 CL trophies in a row and European championship being the main catalyst in every single one of those conquests.
Winning all of that in 3 years and I’m leaving out other accolades is second to none.
I honestly don't think Eder scoring in the 120th min when Ron was off early in the game should have much of a say in this legacy talk.
If Portugal had lost after Ronaldo came off, how would that change how great of a player Ronaldo is?
How so? Do you Honestly believe Portugal would have even made it out of the group stage let alone the final without Ronaldo?
- Group stage scored the vital goals for the point needed in a tough game vs Hungary
- His shot led to the game winning goal in the R16 vs Croatia
- QF Scored his penalty and galvanized his team namely Moutinho to a very huge shootout win vs Poland (that same summer Messi shit the Bed vs chile and subsequently retired from Argentina)
- Semi Final scored and assisted in the 2-0 win vs wales
Portugal would not sniff the final without him. He led by example all the way to the final.
The only bell being dinged is the one in your head..
Cron is great, but this debate isn't going to be solved by a bellhead in a post
Cron is great, but this debate isn't going to be solved by a bellhead in a post
“far better” haha no, Eder scored in a final Ronaldo didn’t play in while Argentina had 4 finals where Ronaldo flames out in the World Cup
Preach! Without Messi Argentina wouldn’t even qualify for the WC. Portugal are a better team than Argentina and have been from 2016 onward. Ronaldo is an amazing player but Eder changed his international legacy. Ronaldo’s biggest moment was being a cheerleader on the sidelines
Love itRonaldo is an amazing player though, I hope he plays for many more years as I’ll miss him when he’s gone
Pepe was the best player for Portugal in euro 2016, even Ronaldo admits to that
You know, neither side is going to back down from proclaiming that one is greater than the other. I will certainly miss watching them both play when they hand up their boots, but one thing is for certain, I won’t miss tedious debates between their fans online.
What about the level of football ? Do you think that European countries have stronger football teams as compared to the South American teams or are they at an equal level ?
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In your eyes has C Ronaldo had an influence on the national teams rise in player quality.
I always loved Portuguese players like Rui Costa and Figo etc but back then they seemed to play on a different level to the rest of the squad.
Ruben Dias on
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-keep-winning-thats-the-way-to-live-pwzb76vc6
Cancelo on how Ronaldo makes an improvement and difference wherever he goes.
https://www.fotmob.com/news/fwoi6l3h9nypzqwyhh5xjtii/joao-cancelo-ronaldo-'different-to-all-the-others'
Jaoa Felix talking about him being his idol.
Bruno on why Ronaldo was his idol and about Ronaldo’s mentality
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ju...-explains-why-ronaldo-was-his-role-model/amp/
So many players talking about his mentality- this is why he is my GOAT.
He was what a human can be with the brain mixed with his ability of the foot.
Others to me is a more focused technical ability of what a player is capable of with just his feet.
In your eyes has C Ronaldo had an influence on the national teams rise in player quality.
I always loved Portuguese players like Rui Costa and Figo etc but back then they seemed to play on a different level to the rest of the squad.
Ruben Dias on
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-keep-winning-thats-the-way-to-live-pwzb76vc6
Cancelo on how Ronaldo makes an improvement and difference wherever he goes.
https://www.fotmob.com/news/fwoi6l3h9nypzqwyhh5xjtii/joao-cancelo-ronaldo-'different-to-all-the-others'
Jaoa Felix talking about him being his idol.
Bruno on why Ronaldo was his idol and about Ronaldo’s mentality
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ju...-explains-why-ronaldo-was-his-role-model/amp/
So many players talking about his mentality- this is why he is my GOAT.
He was what a human can be with the brain mixed with his ability of the foot.
Others to me is a more focused technical ability of what a player is capable of with just his feet.
Another thread turned into a Ronaldo vs Messi debate 
Can we not just appreciate both of the players whilst thinking one is better than the other? Or at least attempt not to shove them down ‘rivals’ throats?
Can we not just appreciate both of the players whilst thinking one is better than the other? Or at least attempt not to shove them down ‘rivals’ throats?Messi wouldn't appreciate both players whereas Ronaldo does.Another thread turned into a Ronaldo vs Messi debate
Also Ronaldo is better at Minecraft.
Ronaldo made a shit team looks great
Messi made a great team looks great
Messi made a great team looks great
United were quite good actually.
Which shit teams have Ronaldo made look great? Man Utd? Real Madrid? Juventus?
Essentially the biggest teams in their countries and the biggest in the world.
Quite clearly he was referring to Portugal.
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