Criteria Draft Round 2 [QF] - Cutch vs The Red Viper

With all players at their peaks, who would win this match?


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Team cutch

TACTICS

Formation - Not dissimilar to our new managers set up with Holland in the World Cup

In goal is an arrogant irritable german.

At the back no better man to have than the great Jurgen Kohler to be tasked with stopping the great Henry. Legendary korean and one of the stars of the 2002 World Cup Hong Mjung Bo is performing the libero role which he performed to such good effect in that tournament. He will snuff out danger as the last man while also bringing assured play bringing the ball out from the back. Completing the trio is the great Paulo Maldini. I have 2 of the great Serie A wingbacks of the last 20 years. Parma stalwart Antonio Benarrivo will obviously make a mockery of the hapless Sinama Pongolle, while the outstanding Javier Zanetti will do his usual tireless marauding up and down the right hand side.

In midfield is the combative pairing of Daniele De Rossi and Matthias Sammer. 2 solid all round midfielders comfortable in possession, and in both defence and offence. This pairing will give the 2 mavericks ahead of them the license to work their magic.

Dejan Savicevic and Youri Djorkaeff are the creative spark in the side. Yugoslav genius Savicevic with his wizardry on the ball with his dribbling leaving defenders in his wake. Djorkaeff the playmaker, with the eye for a pass, technical brilliance and rocket of a shot.

Upfront is Ruud doing what Ruud does best. Scoring goals.

PROFILES

JENS LEHMANN
Reliable, consistent and imposing german. Goalkeeper in the Arsenal 'Invincibles's side who has the Champions League record for consecutive clean sheets (10). Had a considerable presence and was one of the best around in his prime.

JAVIER ZANETTI
One of the greatest fullbacks of all time. Inter Milan club legend. A beast of a player and a model of consistency for 2 decades.

JURGEN KOHLER
Over 100 caps for Germany and 500 career appearances. Arguably the greatest man marker of all time. Strong, physical and could always snuff out danger.

HONG MYUNG BO
Arguably the greatest asian player of all time. 136 caps for South Korea playing every game in all four World Cups, captained his side to 4th place and won the award for third best player at that World Cups. Undisputed leader of the South Korea defence in ’02 which only conceded 3 goals in 6 games following their semi-final loss. Intelligent ball-player with supreme leadership qualities, organisational skills and reading of the game.

PAULO MALDINI
The best defender of his generation.

ANTONIO BENARRIVO
If not for Maldini, would have probably gained 100 caps for Italy. One of the best fullbacks in the world in the 90s. He was renowned for his attacking prowess with his speed and technical ability.

MATTHIAS SAMMER
1996 Ballon D'or Winner following a brilliant European Championships. World class as both a box to box midfielder where he played earlier in his career and as a Libero where he played later on in his career.

DANIELE DE ROSSI
Roman Gladiator. One of the best all round midfielders of the last decade, De Rossi could mix it with the best of them. Another 1 club man with 90+ caps for Italy. He combined robustness in defence, with classy elegant playmaking from midfield.

DEJAN SAVICEVIC
Ballon D'or runner up in 1991, Savicevic was the George Best of the Balkans, with unbelievable natural talent and magic in his boots. Would tie defenders up in knots with his drop of the shoulder and twists and turns. Check out this dribbling masterclass to see it with your own eyes

YOURI DJORKAEFF
World Cup winning French star who was preferred for years over Eric Cantona, and dovetailed beautifully with Zidane. A technician of the highest quality.

RUUD VAN NISTELROOY
Master predator. The best out and out goalscorer of his era.

SUB
MAURO CAMORANESI
Underrated member of the successful Juve side of the early 00’s and Italy world cup winner. Camoranesi was a highly industrious and dangerous winger.

DINO BAGGIO
Solid performer for club and country in the 90s. Beast of a centre midfielder who put himself about, passed well and came up with important goals, including 5 in 3 successful UEFA Cup campaigns. Kept star performers like Albertini and Donadoni out of the Italy side on some occasions, not the flashiest player but a very effective one.








Team The Red Viper

THE TACTICS


We will play a 4-2-3-1 formation. Rogério CENI is the goalkeeper. The back four comprises of Marcos CAFU, Noureddine NAYBET, Fernando HIERRO and Alessandro BIRINDELLI. Cafu and Birindelli will play as full-backs who will have the freedom to overlap and provide width down the wings. Hierro would be the sweeper while Naybet would be the stopper.

We will be playing a double pivot in midfield. Dietmar HAMANN would play as the holding midfielder while Stefan EFFENBERG would play as the box-box midfielder. Along with covering the back-four, Hamann would look to negate the threat of Savicevic. Effenberg with his high energy and intensity would play his natural box-box midfielder role. Both Effenberg and Hamann would look to keep Savicevic under check and cut the creative source of Cutch's attack. Cutch has a good team but Savicevic is the only real creative player in that front five. Djorkaeff wasn't really a creator. Neither were De Rossi and Dino Baggio.

Juan MATA, KAKÁ, RONALDINHO and Thierry HENRY form the attacking quartet. Mata would play as the right sided attacking midfielder, in a role similar to David Silva when he operates down the right flank at Manchester City or he does for Spanish NT. Kaká would be the trequartista. Ronaldinho would play as the left sided attacking midfielder like he used to do for Barcelona in his heyday. Thierry Henry would lead the line. In Mata, Kaká, Ronaldinho and Henry, there are four attacking players who can penetrate any defence with pace, trickery, creativity and goals. All four are extremely comfortable on the ball and can retain the possession very well. At the same time in Henry and Kaká, we have two of the best counterattacking players of the modern era. With Hierro initiating counter-attacks from the back and Mata and Ronaldinho to provide the key pass, Kaká and Henry can run any defence ragged with their pace on counters.

Cutch's greatest weapon is his defence. But he is playing a narrow formation. We would look to exploit that by having both Cafu and Birindelli overlapping regularly and making it a two versus one situation in attack. Ronaldinho versus Zanetti would be a great battle. Ronaldinho would look to isolate Zanetti and then release Birindelli who would have space ahead of him to exploit. Juan Mata would do the same on the other wing against Maldini(?). Maldini will be able to restrict Juan Mata but with a marauding Cafu overlapping to support Mata, even Maldini would have a hard time as he will be outnumbered. Effenberg would keep an eye on Sammer whenever he tries to make his trademark attacking runs from the back. At the same time, he would look to make his famous late runs into the box and add another option in attack.
 
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Cutch's greatest weapon is his defence. But he is playing a narrow formation. We would look to exploit that by having both Cafu and Birindelli overlapping regularly and making it a two versus one situation in attack. Ronaldinho versus Zanetti would be a great battle. Ronaldinho would look to isolate Zanetti and then release Birindelli who would have space ahead of him to exploit. Juan Mata would do the same on the other wing against Maldini(?). Maldini will be able to restrict Juan Mata but with a marauding Cafu overlapping to support Mata, even Maldini would have a hard time as he will be outnumbered. Effenberg would keep an eye on Sammer whenever he tries to make his trademark attacking runs from the back. At the same time, he would look to make his famous late runs into the box and add another option in attack.
1) Not any more narrow than your own. We've both got attacking fullbacks (Zanetti = Cafu, Benarrivo > Birindelli for attacking), while Djorkaeff will roam similar to Ronaldinho, while Savicevic will do far more of his work in wide areas than Mata will, who's not suited at all to the right hand side, which you've only to look back to last season to know.

2) Not sure how this 2v1 situation that you refer to will arise at the back, I would have thought with 5 defenders this would be very unlikely to occur. You seem to have left Mjung Bo and Benarrivo out of the equation completely for some reason.
 

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As good individually that Ronaldinho and Kaka are, it should be pointed out that they never quite hit it off together for club and country for whatever reason.

Both players along with Henry are particularly suited to counter attacking football, but whether they'll be able to benefit from this against my defence and robust midfield is doubtful. If the opposition sit back to try and soak up pressure from which to counter from they'll be playing a very dangerous game.
 

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Don't think Sammer there is a upgrade on Dino Baggio. Sammer should ideally replace Myung Bo as his best was in that position. Not saying he cannot do a job, but it's not his game winning position.

Whom do you have in bench Cutch?

Edit : Can you not fit in Camoranesi and Sammer together due to criteria?
 
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Both great teams but I'm struggling to see how Cutch scores here.
Zanetti/Benarrivo cross in for Ruud to finish. Savicevic trickery leading to an opportunity. Djorkaeff cutting in and unleashing a rocket. Sammer driving into the box. Savicevic free kick. Zanetti continuing a run into the box. Just a few examples.

No end of options.
 

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Don't think Sammer there is a upgrade on Dino Baggio. Sammer should ideally replace Myung Bo as his best was in that position. Not saying he cannot do a job, but it's not his game winning position.

Whom do you have in bench Cutch?

Edit : Can you not fit in Camoranesi and Sammer together due to criteria?
Sammer was class in both. The plan should I get through will be to move him back to Libero and get a centre mid upgrade on Camoranesi.
 

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Haha.

On topic, sorry cutch I went with TRV in the end. Just seems more balanced and more likely to do the extraordinary to score which is what wins this game. It's a shame you didn't have one more offensive minded player because his defence can be got at.
 

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I think you should tweak it a bit.

...............Djorkaeff....RvN.................
...................Savicevic........................
......De Rossi..........Camoranesi............
.................. Sammer ........................
Bennarivo ... Maldini ... Kohler ... Zanetti

Would be much better than current formation imo!
 

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I think you should tweak it a bit.

...............Djorkaeff....RvN.................
...................Savicevic........................
......De Rossi..........Camoranesi............
.................. Sammer ........................
Bennarivo ... Maldini ... Kohler ... Zanetti

Would be much better than current formation imo!
Yeah.. Djorkaeff a bit behind Ruud and Sammer in his preferred role
 

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Aye, I'm really surprised to see Mjung-Bo starting as a sweeper when Sammer has just been added to the side.

When Sammer was picked I thought it was guaranteed he would play as a Libero between Maldini and Kohler.
 

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I think Henry moving left would really open up space for Kaka, and on the left the Henry-Ronaldinho combination would be scary.

Less sure about Cutch's attack, although Djorkaeff would have a nice opportunity to shine, and he was a more prolific goalscorer than people remember. Ruud is certainly capable of a goal in any situation, as well. The problem is more about service, I think. A proper creator in midfield and someone always available at AM are necessary, I think, and the options here fall short.

I voted Red Viper, mainly because I think his front 6 is really well conceived, with Mata and Ronaldinho able to come in field and be dangerous, Kaka and Henry to stretch play vertically and diagonally and Cafu and Effenberg also good contributors to the attack.
 

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I think you should tweak it a bit.

...............Djorkaeff....RvN.................
...................Savicevic........................
......De Rossi..........Camoranesi............
.................. Sammer ........................
Bennarivo ... Maldini ... Kohler ... Zanetti

Would be much better than current formation imo!
Does it fit to the restrictions? If he could've done it then he should've
 

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Does it fit to the restrictions? If he could've done it then he should've
Well Camoranesi did not play in both games, so I assumed Sammer is a same ceriteria direct upgrade on Dino Baggio. Strangely not.

Think he is playing Sammer on born/played in different countries criteris (East Germany / Germany) maybe! As this is also the critieria for Camoranesi, think he went with the OP formation!
 

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Well Camoranesi did not play in both games, so I assumed Sammer is a same ceriteria direct upgrade on Dino Baggio. Strangely not.

Think he is playing Sammer on born/played in different countries criteris (East Germany / Germany) maybe! As this is also the critieria for Camoranesi, think he went with the OP formation!
Nah he's not doing that, Sammer doesn't qualify for that category.

Sammer is the Ballon dor category - Maldini has replaced Dino Baggio as a WC losing Finalist now, which is why Baggio is out of the game.

Camoranesi could have played.
 

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@The Red Viper How about shifting Kaka to the RAM role while making Mata the No 10. Kaka has much more in his arsenal than Mata to justify playing in the RAM and he is just as effective playing in any position in the attacking trio behind the striker. The same can't be said for Mata, he doesn't have the pace, dribbling and directness to have that much of an influence as a RAM. He would be better utilized as a No 10 behind Henry, happy with sitting back, pulling the strings and letting the likes of Henry, Ronaldinho and Kaka run havoc and letting them do what they do best. Mata is just about as creative as Kaka and it's not like your team is sacrificing anything by moving Kaka to the RAM position.
 

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Nah he's not doing that, Sammer doesn't qualify for that category.

Sammer is the Ballon dor category - Maldini has replaced Dino Baggio as a WC losing Finalist now, which is why Baggio is out of the game.

Camoranesi could have played.
Expensive mistake, if that was the case. Could have won on that formation, imo.

But then he said he was uber busy today. Sad.
 

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1) Not any more narrow than your own. We've both got attacking fullbacks (Zanetti = Cafu, Benarrivo > Birindelli for attacking), while Djorkaeff will roam similar to Ronaldinho, while Savicevic will do far more of his work in wide areas than Mata will, who's not suited at all to the right hand side, which you've only to look back to last season to know.
Djorkaeff's biggest strength was his movement and positioning in final third. On the ball, he wasn't close to Ronaldinho in terms of impact on the game. When Ronaldinho has the ball, you need the likes of Zanetti and all close to him otherwise he could hurt you. Its not quite the same with Djorkaeff. Now regarding Mata, you can't judge Mata based on last season under Moyes. Even RvP looked a shadow of former self. Mata can and has played quite well out wide. He used to play on the left wing for Valencia where he made a name for himself. Key for him is to play him in a fluid system which has plenty of link-up play and movement around him and not a rigid system with clueless tactics like Moyes last season.
 

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@The Red Viper How about shifting Kaka to the RAM role while making Mata the No 10. Kaka has much more in his arsenal than Mata to justify playing in the RAM and he is just as effective playing in any position in the attacking trio behind the striker. The same can't be said for Mata, he doesn't have the pace, dribbling and directness to have that much of an influence as a RAM. He would be better utilized as a No 10 behind Henry, happy with sitting back, pulling the strings and letting the likes of Henry, Ronaldinho and Kaka run havoc and letting them do what they do best. Mata is just about as creative as Kaka and it's not like your team is sacrificing anything by moving Kaka to the RAM position.
Good points, mate.

The thing is Mata has experience of playing out wide. He played out wide for almost three seasons at Valencia. Kaka on the other hand mostly played centrally. Now, while Kaka has more in his arsenal, that is something many might consider while voting.
 

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I thought this was close one with Cutch's spectacular defence.
This voting deference is bit harsh.
 

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I thought this was close one with Cutch's spectacular defence.
This voting deference is bit harsh.
Aye but then, if everyone thinks it's an extremely tight game but just favours TRV by even 1%, then that can still create vote results like this! Cutch has created a great team but the slight lack of balance and overuse of defensive guys may just have cost him this time.
 

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Aye but then, if everyone thinks it's an extremely tight game but just favours TRV by even 1%, then that can still create vote results like this! Cutch has created a great team but the slight lack of balance and overuse of defensive guys may just have cost him this time.
As EAP stated he could have used different formation with Sammer as Sweeper,but i'm sure about the criteria that would match the set up.
 

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I can't fathom this being such a landslide victory. RV would find it incredibly hard to score here, let alone if Sammer were deployed deeper. I also agree the more narrow formation could suit Cutch.

If Zanetti-Kohler-Maldini, whether with Myung-Bo or Sammer can't stop Goofy, Henry and Kaká then you may as well call it shutters because no one will. Benarrivo deals with Mata comfortably, and when Cafú is upfield Paolo provides the best possible cover.

I don't think it's the attacks vs. defence here but the midfield duo and clearer transition that make it for me, but it's very very tight and would likely go to whichever managed to score first. 0-0 or 1-0 to either side.
 

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Well done @The Red Viper
Yeah, strange scoring, definately thought there was little between the sides. I probably didn't give the likes of Djorkaeff and Savicevic a good enough sell, just hadn't the time. This weeks been mental.

I now dread facing teams with Ronaldinho in it. I've a feeling he's a major vote winner, arguably a bigger one even than Messi/Ronaldo. Along with the likes of Henry/Kaka its a very tasty looking attack. If my defence can't keep it quiet i can't see anyone's.