Why would anybody be loyal towards Newcastle? you can still be the new PSG, looks promising at first and ended up with stars leaving the club (and without winning anything).
Dan Ashworth - Newcastle DoF currently tending to his garden
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Aren't you missing the point here? Your implication is you're being dicks because we were dicks over Lingard, but we were dicks because you were dicks over Longstaff?
See how silly that all sounds? Childish.
Ultimately you're making a rod for your own back because when it comes to replacing him, unless the guy is unemployed, their fee just went up.
Why would you care about how we treated a player that had nothing to do with you? You're just clutching at straws now trying to find a reason to excuse shit business practices.
We kept him because we had nothing to gain from loaning him out just so he could run his contract down. He played 89 minutes up to the end of the January window, and 267 after it closed, so it's even bollocks that we didn't use him, even if his minutes were limited.
As for him still being in the England squad, he was literally left out of the squad for the Euros that summer, and was called up for the four games in September, two of which were against Andorra.
The fact is that you being overly stubborn about releasing Ashworth to us (and I'm not suggesting you just let him walk without getting any compensation) just makes it more likely that other clubs will make it equally as difficult for you to get a replacement.
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Maybe they should have a conversation to see if there's any interims he could recommend
So Ashworth would be responsible for firing and hiring managers? I mean how many managers would not get along with Ashworth? He probably doesn’t know halve of them.
Does Ashworth have a style of play? He seems to be a good operator, not instilling a philosophy per se.
SJR wants a legacy with a style of play, and we all know how much he admires City’s style of play.
SJR wants a legacy with a style of play, and we all know how much he admires City’s style of play.
Come on, now.
Anyway, I'm very excited about this appointment. Moving in the right direction.
Pretty sure Ashworth will have a knowledge of these non British managers such as Nagelsmann and Inzaghi. I think either of these should be right near the top of our shortlist for the summer.
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His garden is greener than the other, it's been called the garden of football Eden.
100%. I like inzaghi. He plays attractive football and he also keeps it tight at the back. Deserves a shot.
Mourinho, probably
True, but the chances of us re hiring him are 0%Mourinho, probably
I think it’s just a case of Radcliffe wanting Ashworth to have a say who the next manager is since he’ll be working closely with him. But surely this can be done during a phone call no?Also, he looks like a winner. We seriously need to start winning shit, not just compete and play attractive. Fergie knew when to play ugly to get it done, here's hoping whoever comes next knows when and how to do that.
Yeah he certainly does,also like that whole swagger of Nagelsmann too. Can't decide whether De Zerbi or Amorim can make the step up
I like that Amorim, he’s in my top 3. It is a big step up though from the Portuguese league.
Would be funny if he comes and first thing he says is : "lets modernize the facilities, especially the swimming pool".
Man Utd couldn't even agree the compensation with Maguire for his remaining contract, let alone Ashworth. Ashworth will has his garden leave till 2026, and Newcastle will find a replacement.
Quite confident this won’t be the case.
I feel this needs more airtime. Adds more clarity to what his role will exactly be.
He wouldn't have made the cut to the Euros because he was shit. United were obviously still very sour after Newcastle's ridiculous valuation of Longstaff a few seasons earlier, completely understandable at the £60m fee quoted was almost as ridiculous as the £20m quoted for an executive. It was a completely fair fee too, you were getting a player way, way above your level who would help keep you in the league, which would have been far more valuable than any loan fee you potentially had to pay. Lingard had every opportunity to move prior to that transfer window, it's his own fault he turned everyone down that summer so he could play with Ronaldo.
Different people in charge...
But the fans believing they can run a football club blindfolded are exactly the same
How confident are you in your prediction?
One thing i don't get is the hate towards Newcastle. Do remember they are owned by the Saudis and IMHO they could have taken the whole thing as an insult. and now they're stubborn.
Yeah obviously we're not going to wait around for 2 years before a key member of staff can start their job. A compromise will be found
That's the public narrative yes.
You also have to realize the Saudis do business with INEOS. They will be just working out a deal and due to FFP room on both sides we both want the best possible deal I assume.
As you made such a bold prediction, it’s only fair that you’re banned if you’re wrong
What does one have to do with the other? The previous owners took no interest in the football operations of the club so it was of little consequence to them whether Maguire was pushed out the door or not. The new owners are far more hands on and their appetite to recruit Ashworth is obvious.
It hasn't even been established whether that period of garden leave is enforceable by law.
I think a lot of other fanbases are still in the coping phase, pretending that the Glazers are still bumbling around, ruining everything when in reality we have someone completely different at the helm.
Wumming usually isn't based on much fact or common sense.
I mean, this logic can't hold when there are completely different people in charge right?
Thing is I'm sure you saw a similar change in how the club is run when Usmanov left.
Is there any update regarding the progress of talks with Newcastle?
Probably dragging feet for the sake of it, leaving it like 2 days to reply to basic questions or offers then replying with obscure answers with not much detail.
Can imagine they will make it very annoying.
Ashworth has known Brailsford for years, and United were in touch with him over a role a few years ago but he declined because we wanted to place him below Murtough. So he ended up going to Newcastle instead. Genuinely think he'd come to United then if he'd be given the role we're offering now.
In any case this is someone who puts in place good structures at clubs, brings in the right people, and oversees upgrades to training facilities and the like. As long as he sticks around long enough to go through an overhaul of our backroom and structures, it should have long-term benefits for us. Like at Brighton he was at the heart of making the pathways to the first team a part of their signing strategy, and helping them reach their target of ensuring 30% of PL minutes were played by academy players. In the England setup standardised the scouting reports and forms, so there was continuity in tracking and measuring players, helped introduce online training and education resources for coaches, and helped future-proof the FA footballing setup, which played a part in England's teams doing well in a lot of age levels now.
Both Brighton and the FA is still reaping the benefits of his time and work there, as I'm sure Newcastle will, and I'm sure we will even if he doesn't stick around forever.
Wonder if he can give advise on when to prune Hydrangeas.
Newcastle: 'It'll cost ye pet'
Newcastle playing hard ball apparently.
We’re aiming to start him in the summer or September 1st. Some more talks planned in the international break allegedly.
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