Sir Erik ten Hag
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The FA Cup final with City comes to mind.What finals DDG cost us?
The FA Cup final with City comes to mind.What finals DDG cost us?
Onana hasn’t staying lying down from a little 50/50 while the opposing team kicked the ball into an empty goal yet and isn’t afraid of contact to be fair to himOnana is worse than ddg at any point in his career with us.
We will never know because he didn't renew but you don't typically hear of players renewing for less moneyNowhere nobody ever mentioned increase in wages, contrary every report was towards a wage reduction and a short extension.
Loved DDG and he’s a legend of the club but yeah, should have done better with City’s winner.The FA Cup final with City comes to mind.
just the last two seasons. De Gea was quite poor for his last five seasons, bar a few patches here and there where he showed something like he once had (mostly in the first half of 21/22). Hell, I'd actually say that his last two seasons were better than the two and a half seasons before that. He also had a bad tendency to make a lot of his mistakes in the bigger more important games.
De Gea absolutely needed to go. It's getting to the point that it's almost certain we chose the wrong replacement, but replacing him was the right move. Now we just need to get the replacement of the replacement right.
What finals DDG cost us?
Onana hasn’t staying lying down from a little 50/50 while the opposing team kicked the ball into an empty goal yet and isn’t afraid of contact to be fair to him
It’s the little things
The 11 penalties he got nowhere near had a little bit to do with goalkeeping.Due to his goalkeeping, the Fa Cup final. He did miss the vital penalty in the shootout in the Europa final but that isn't about goalkeeping.
Doesn't make him a better keeper. Sorry, but every year de gea has been here he's been better than Onana in his time here to date.Onana hasn’t staying lying down from a little 50/50 while the opposing team kicked the ball into an empty goal yet and isn’t afraid of contact to be fair to him
It’s the little things
David De Gea cost us that final? I remember City outplaying us on every inch of grass and we struggling to score or create a goal. Gundogan scoring a volley from the edge of the box, the ball blazing over Varane leg and De Gea touching the ball is somehow De Gea costing us the final?The FA Cup final with City comes to mind.
This is still worse
Go check for yourself mate. I'm not getting into an debate about it. Like I said he cost us too.What finals DDG cost us?
Have you even watched the FA cup final of 2023?Due to his goalkeeping, the Fa Cup final. He did miss the vital penalty in the shootout in the Europa final but that isn't about goalkeeping.
The 11 penalties he got nowhere near had a little bit to do with goalkeeping.
You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Two finals he lost playing for us, in both of them we scored a single goal. One of them a jammy ricochet and a tap in, the other other a gifted penalty by a stupid handball by Grealish. Verdict DDG cost us finals.Go check for yourself mate. I'm not getting into an debate about it. Like I said he cost us too.
Nothing official. A while back I went and watched all the goals that we conceded for the last couple of months that he was here, so it was just my opinion about which ones were outright mistakes and which ones were 'he could have done better' but not enough to be classed as a mistake. It might have been 8 in 13 games, but it was definitely something like that. I encourage you to go back and do the same if you don't want to take my opinion, because I'm confident that I was fair about it. I think it was just PL games, but I'm not 100% certain about that.Can you please back that 8 goals in 12 games claim with something?
Yeah , he also cost us many league games. Listen fella, I've seen Dave do amazing saves, christ I've even sung his songs in the stands. So relax with the I know nothing. Probably been to more games than you've watched on tv.You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Two finals he lost playing for us, in both of them we scored a single goal. One of them a jammy ricochet and a tap in, the other other a gifted penalty by a stupid handball by Grealish. Verdict DDG cost us finals.
Listen fella, you can keep your top red/been to more games nonsense for yourself. I know a regular match goer, and he is one of the biggest idiots i have known to support the club. And by that finals logic of yours, you obviously talk a lot of nonsense.Yeah , he also cost us many league games. Listen fella, I've seen Dave do amazing saves, christ I've even sung his songs in the stands. So relax with the I know nothing. Probably been to more games than you've watched on tv.
Will do, however that number 8 in 13 games looks way too much in the first place, which made me thinking.Nothing official. A while back I went and watched all the goals that we conceded for the last couple of months that he was here, so it was just my opinion about which ones were outright mistakes and which ones were 'he could have done better' but not enough to be classed as a mistake. It might have been 8 in 13 games, but it was definitely something like that. I encourage you to go back and do the same if you don't want to take my opinion, because I'm confident that I was fair about it. I think it was just PL games, but I'm not 100% certain about that.
I did the same thing with Onana after his poor start at Utd (judging him exactly the same) and while he was bad he actually wasn't as bad as De Gea's end of 18/19. He ended up being directly at fault for something like 7 goals in 15 games if I remember correctly. Once again though there were others that he could have done better with. Of course I'm comparing his start with the worst form of De Gea's career, and neither stayed at that level of bad for long (although Onana's recent form seems to be sliding that way again).
In terms of what is a mistake and what is 'could have done better', the two goals we conceded against Lyon are good examples. The first was a mistake from Onana, the second was one that he could have done better but I wouldn't consider an outright mistake. If you go in with a higher level of expectation then the numbers for both of them would get worse.
Well with that thinking maybe give Onana a bit of slack seeing as he also is surrounded by crap. Ha, top red. Not heard that I stopped using Twitter. Have a good day fella.Listen fella, you can keep your top red/been to more games nonsense for yourself. I know a regular match goer, and he is one of the biggest idiots i have known to support the club. And by that finals logic of yours, you obviously talk a lot of nonsense.
I am someone who never ever denied that DDG made mistakes, was on decline and should have been replaced in the right way. However lots of agenda driven opinions are stated as facts.
Yes he could have done better against Gundogan for the second goal, yes he could have saved a penalty against Villareal in the EL final, but to claim he cost us finals? In games in which the entire team was absolute shit and lacking.
When I look back at De Gea's time at Man Utd, it was a hit and miss. De Gea spent twice as much time as Edwin did at Man Utd. That's kind of crazy. De Gea was never a world class GK and he was massively overhyped by our fans.Nothing official. A while back I went and watched all the goals that we conceded for the last couple of months that he was here, so it was just my opinion about which ones were outright mistakes and which ones were 'he could have done better' but not enough to be classed as a mistake. It might have been 8 in 13 games, but it was definitely something like that. I encourage you to go back and do the same if you don't want to take my opinion, because I'm confident that I was fair about it. I think it was just PL games, but I'm not 100% certain about that.
I did the same thing with Onana after his poor start at Utd (judging him exactly the same) and while he was bad he actually wasn't as bad as De Gea's end of 18/19. He ended up being directly at fault for something like 7 goals in 15 games if I remember correctly. Once again though there were others that he could have done better with. Of course I'm comparing his start with the worst form of De Gea's career, and neither stayed at that level of bad for long (although Onana's recent form seems to be sliding that way again).
In terms of what is a mistake and what is 'could have done better', the two goals we conceded against Lyon are good examples. The first was a mistake from Onana, the second was one that he could have done better but I wouldn't consider an àoutright mistake. If you go in with a higher level of expectation then the numbers for both of them would get worse.
Stupidest take I've ever seen. Between 2013-17 he was easily one of the top two keepers in the world.De Gea was never a world class GK and he was massively overhyped by our fans.
Absolutely terrible takeWhen I look back at De Gea's time at Man Utd, it was a hit and miss. De Gea spent twice as much time as Edwin did at Man Utd. That's kind of crazy. De Gea was never a world class GK and he was massively overhyped by our fans.
He was a bench warmer for Spain and one time that he had a chance in a big international tournament, he bottled it and was directly responsible for Spain's exit at the World Cup. He had a couple of good season in Utd shirt but in his last 5 he was abysmal.
He was a never proper replacement for Van Der Sar and some Utd fans put De Gea in the same bracket as De Gea and Schmeichel which is kind of ridiculous. He was obviously better than Onana and that's why there is a lot of revisionism about De Gea these days.
I admire your approach to debating on internet forums.Go check for yourself mate. I'm not getting into an debate about it. Like I said he cost us too.
He certainly wasn't. Spanish GK coaches prefered Unai Simon over him. He was a solid shotstopper for a couple of years but then rapidly declined in his late 20s.Stupidest take I've ever seen. Between 2013-17 he was easily one of the top two keepers in the world.
He was a solid shotstopper for a couple of years
He started very young, keepers are no different to outfield players, it's wear and tear, he played for us as a 19 year old and left at 31, and is still playing at a high level.He certainly wasn't. Spanish GK coaches prefered Unai Simon over him. He was a solid shotstopper for a couple of years but then rapidly declined in his late 20s.
He was terrible with his feet, terrible at defending set pieces and crosses, he couldn't command his box and had a poor communication with his defenders. He was also prone to blunders and mistakes.
What kind of goalkeeper declines when he is 27? We thought that Edwin was old when we bought him and then begged him not to retire when he was 41.
For most of our modern history we had terrible or average goalkeepers and only two of them were world class and actually one of the best of all time as well. Massimo Taibi, Carroll, Mark Bosnich, Andre Onana, Fabian Barthez.
Tim Howard was too young but a great goalkeeper. Fabian Barthez was a flop at Man Utd but a very good GK for France. David De Gea was good in his first years at Utd but terrible in his last 5.
What the hell is the point of this thread?
Onana being crap doesn't mean De Gea wasn't an absolute liability before he left.
I vote turd sandwich!
He's playing for a mid table Serie A team, that's hardly a "high level". No team wanted him for a year and he was still in his goalkeeping prime.He started very young, keepers are no different to outfield players, it's wear and tear, he played for us as a 19 year old and left at 31, and is still playing at a high level.
Secondly, he has over 45 caps for Spain and was the regular keeper once Casillas retired and until he made those errors against Portugal.
Thirdly, he wasnt just good for us, he won player of the year 4 times, he is literally one of the two or three players post Fergie who you could actually say raised their stock as a player.
What the hell is the point of this thread?
Onana being crap doesn't mean De Gea wasn't an absolute liability before he left.
I vote turd sandwich!
What the hell is the point of this thread?
Onana being crap doesn't mean De Gea wasn't an absolute liability before he left.
I vote turd sandwich!
He's really not a divisive figure among our fan base. At least not when he was at his peak. Unless you count you vs everybody else as a significant divide.He's playing for a mid table Serie A team, that's hardly a "high level". No team wanted him for a year and he was still in his goalkeeping prime.
He last played for Spain in 2020 and Unai Simon is no goalkeeping giant. And being the best player in post Fergie years is hardly a big achievement. He was a good goalkeeper and definitely better than Onana but he's no Man Utd legend.
From what I've seen not many people rated him outside of Man Utd fanbase. But even within our fanbase he was a divisive figure.
You are bang on with your timeline. I have no idea how DDG survived between 2019-2021, he was really poor but somehow turned it around in his final two seasons.I don't know where this narrative has come from that he'd only had a couple of bad seasons. His last two seasons were actually a little better than the few that came before them. He'd been declining ever since the 2018 World Cup. 17/18 was probably his best ever season, but his terrible World Cup that year seemed to destroy him mentally or something and he was never remotely the same after that. So his decline had been going for 5 years before he left which is more than just a bad patch.
18/19 he was ok for most of the season, where it wasn't a huge issue but he was obviously nowhere near his previous level. He was then atrocious for the last couple of months of that season, comfortably the worst form of his career where he was directly at fault for something like 8 goals in 12 games (and a few others he could have done better for).
19/20 he was shaky all season, including being at fault for three of the goals that got us knocked out of the League Cup and Europa League semi's.
20/21 he was so poor all season that even Ole (who was loyal to a fault to him) ended up dropping him for Henderson for the final few months of the season.
21/22 he was actually back to something like his best for the first half of the season, but he rapidly dropped off and was poor again in the second half.
22/23 was ok for most of the season, but once again he finished the season poorly (which was becoming a real trend).
Go check for yourself mate. I'm not getting into an debate about it. Like I said he cost us too.
I'd imagine it's about praising one of our best ever keepers? He's not coming back so I don't see how this has to do with Onana.
I don't know where this narrative has come from that he'd only had a couple of bad seasons. His last two seasons were actually a little better than the few that came before them. He'd been declining ever since the 2018 World Cup. 17/18 was probably his best ever season, but his terrible World Cup that year seemed to destroy him mentally or something and he was never remotely the same after that. So his decline had been going for 5 years before he left which is more than just a bad patch.
18/19 he was ok for most of the season, where it wasn't a huge issue but he was obviously nowhere near his previous level. He was then atrocious for the last couple of months of that season, comfortably the worst form of his career where he was directly at fault for something like 8 goals in 12 games (and a few others he could have done better for).
19/20 he was shaky all season, including being at fault for three of the goals that got us knocked out of the League Cup and Europa League semi's.
20/21 he was so poor all season that even Ole (who was loyal to a fault to him) ended up dropping him for Henderson for the final few months of the season.
21/22 he was actually back to something like his best for the first half of the season, but he rapidly dropped off and was poor again in the second half.
22/23 was ok for most of the season, but once again he finished the season poorly (which was becoming a real trend).
My memory isn’t a patch on yours but I can remember enough to agree with the post 2018 World Cup decline. He thoroughly deserved to be dropped by Spain and never did enough to get his place back. That was a career decline, completely independent of Manchester United, which shows that any talk of “a few months poor form” is nonsense.
I agree with all that, I even agreed with it at the time. I still think it was a mistake to sell him.
Not because he was good enough for constant trophy challanges, but because of all the problems that quad had, he was way down the list.
We couldn't keep possession and we couldn't score. The thing we needed most of all was a goal scorer. We still do. We did need another keeper, but we did not need one right there and then. We needed goals.
The fact onana has not improved the build up play at all, and been worse in actually doing keeper stuff, is just the icing on the cake.